DUST Search - Logi-LAV now just a suped-up Murder Taxi

Blammmo wrote:

Nightbird Aeon wrote:

So... playing the Ashland skirmish map (link here), and I was trying to get some red dot off the pipes over B. When.....

BOOM, run over by a LAV.
On the platform.
Next to B.

WTF?!?

Anyway, I respawned with some Packed AV grenades, and because of the tight quarters, the LAV was still trying to do a 3-point turn and get off the platform. I hid behind some boxes and threw 3 AV grenades..... thinking that I would get my revenge... and barely took the LAV down to half shields.

I was standing in a nanohive, so I had restocked grenades... and I tossed 2 more before the LAV got away. Still no "kaboom".

Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom?!?

Was this LAV really a HAV, dressed up for what passes for Halloween in New Eden? Because it sure had the HP of a HAV!

Now, for repping, restocking, or just rapid (armed) transport across large maps, I think LAVs are a great idea. But that's not what people are using them for.

People are using them to run others over, and with the HP buff, the threat of infantry with AV grenades is a non-issue.

If you were to reduce collision damage to 0, I'd bet you would see a 99.99% reduction in the number of LAVs called in. Just that, in and of itself, demonstrates the broken mechanic that is LAVs.

Lol, stick to cover and you won't get mowed down.

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Nightbird Aeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 156	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:11:00 - [1] - Quote So... playing the Ashland skirmish map (link here), and I was trying to get some red dot off the pipes over B. When..... BOOM, run over by a LAV. On the platform. Next to B. WTF?!? Anyway, I respawned with some Packed AV grenades, and because of the tight quarters, the LAV was still trying to do a 3-point turn and get off the platform. I hid behind some boxes and threw 3 AV grenades..... thinking that I would get my revenge... and barely took the LAV down to half shields. I was standing in a nanohive, so I had restocked grenades... and I tossed 2 more before the LAV got away. Still no "kaboom". Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom?!? Was this LAV really a HAV, dressed up for what passes for Halloween in New Eden? Because it sure had the HP of a HAV! Now, for repping, restocking, or just rapid (armed) transport across large maps, I think LAVs are a great idea. But that's not what people are using them for. People are using them to run others over, and with the HP buff, the threat of infantry with AV grenades is a non-issue. If you were to reduce collision damage to 0, I'd bet you would see a 99.99% reduction in the number of LAVs called in. Just that, in and of itself, demonstrates the broken mechanic that is LAVs.
Blammmo Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 46	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:16:00 - [2] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: So... playing the Ashland skirmish map (link here), and I was trying to get some red dot off the pipes over B. When..... BOOM, run over by a LAV. On the platform. Next to B. WTF?!? Anyway, I respawned with some Packed AV grenades, and because of the tight quarters, the LAV was still trying to do a 3-point turn and get off the platform. I hid behind some boxes and threw 3 AV grenades..... thinking that I would get my revenge... and barely took the LAV down to half shields. I was standing in a nanohive, so I had restocked grenades... and I tossed 2 more before the LAV got away. Still no "kaboom". Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom?!? Was this LAV really a HAV, dressed up for what passes for Halloween in New Eden? Because it sure had the HP of a HAV! Now, for repping, restocking, or just rapid (armed) transport across large maps, I think LAVs are a great idea. But that's not what people are using them for. People are using them to run others over, and with the HP buff, the threat of infantry with AV grenades is a non-issue. If you were to reduce collision damage to 0, I'd bet you would see a 99.99% reduction in the number of LAVs called in. Just that, in and of itself, demonstrates the broken mechanic that is LAVs. Lol, stick to cover and you won't get mowed down.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations 3197	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:18:00 - [3] - Quote What people also tend not to mention is that LAVs are an awesome path because they unlock HAVs, so it gives you much more flexibility as a vehicle specialist.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 828	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:18:00 - [4] - Quote I was having similar experiences; had to HTFU and dump the points I was saving for Flaylock Proficiency into Swarm Launchers. Now that I'm back in proper AV, I haven't been dumped into any LLAV Murder Taxi matches to test it out.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:19:00 - [5] - Quote Like the Valor guy said in MAG: Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. 95% of people that came to the forum wanted tanks nerfed. Now, you're reaping what you sew. Spec into proper AV.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1318	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:24:00 - [6] - Quote Well yeah.. they're like proto LAVs, get PROPER AV to deal with it.
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 72	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:26:00 - [7] - Quote Blammmo wrote: Nightbird Aeon wrote: So... playing the Ashland skirmish map (link here), and I was trying to get some red dot off the pipes over B. When..... BOOM, run over by a LAV. On the platform. Next to B. WTF?!? Anyway, I respawned with some Packed AV grenades, and because of the tight quarters, the LAV was still trying to do a 3-point turn and get off the platform. I hid behind some boxes and threw 3 AV grenades..... thinking that I would get my revenge... and barely took the LAV down to half shields. I was standing in a nanohive, so I had restocked grenades... and I tossed 2 more before the LAV got away. Still no "kaboom". Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom?!? Was this LAV really a HAV, dressed up for what passes for Halloween in New Eden? Because it sure had the HP of a HAV! Now, for repping, restocking, or just rapid (armed) transport across large maps, I think LAVs are a great idea. But that's not what people are using them for. People are using them to run others over, and with the HP buff, the threat of infantry with AV grenades is a non-issue. If you were to reduce collision damage to 0, I'd bet you would see a 99.99% reduction in the number of LAVs called in. Just that, in and of itself, demonstrates the broken mechanic that is LAVs. Lol, stick to cover and you won't get mowed down. WTF ?? ^^^are you playing this game ?? LAVs are getting spammed to do nothing else than move people down. and sticking to cover well wtf you can't take the bloddy point from cover can ya ?? Ambush is a pure LAv feast right now and as stated AVs HA no deal, Swarms HA shield LLAV laughs at you. Proxy mines don't do anything to any kind of lav anymore unless you've put down 8 and get teh bloddy lav to run over all of them. Meanwhile HAVs still haven't gotten the love they need and as everybody is running around with AVs well the death rate of HAVs just rose. So thank you LAV buff great job there CCP.........
StubbyDucky KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:27:00 - [8] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: So... playing the Ashland skirmish map (link here), and I was trying to get some red dot off the pipes over B. When..... BOOM, run over by a LAV. On the platform. Next to B. WTF?!? Anyway, I respawned with some Packed AV grenades, and because of the tight quarters, the LAV was still trying to do a 3-point turn and get off the platform. I hid behind some boxes and threw 3 AV grenades..... thinking that I would get my revenge... and barely took the LAV down to half shields. I was standing in a nanohive, so I had restocked grenades... and I tossed 2 more before the LAV got away. Still no "kaboom". Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom?!? Was this LAV really a HAV, dressed up for what passes for Halloween in New Eden? Because it sure had the HP of a HAV! Now, for repping, restocking, or just rapid (armed) transport across large maps, I think LAVs are a great idea. But that's not what people are using them for. People are using them to run others over, and with the HP buff, the threat of infantry with AV grenades is a non-issue. If you were to reduce collision damage to 0, I'd bet you would see a 99.99% reduction in the number of LAVs called in. Just that, in and of itself, demonstrates the broken mechanic that is LAVs. LOL this was me! Hey just shoot the driver next time. Logi LAV's are Death Taxi's drivers dream machine. Don't worry, I am sure enough sissy la la Kitten Bear Proto TAC AR Mercs will cry enough to Mommy CCP and they will get nerfed. But till Mercs like you are like bugs, Last thing through you mind when you hit my grill is your a$$.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 294	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:28:00 - [9] - Quote Until we get Advance and Proto tanks, Logi LAV is the tankiest thing we got. Their cheap(ish) can actually take more of a beating than tanks at the moment, are much faster and easier to handle, and running people over is more satisfying than shooting them with a big gun.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 485	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:32:00 - [10] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Well yeah.. they're like proto LAVs, get PROPER AV to deal with it. ^ and av nades less effective on shields should gone flux but those take skill to use.. whoops not an I win button. proper AV to take on proper LAV.

crazy6226 No-Mercy Get in the Van. 13	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:38:00 - [11] - Quote I don't know why everyone complains so much about the logi-lav. My tank is useless so what the **** else am I going to drive. Running you over is just a benefit of my super tank.
Hey Fatty SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 22	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:40:00 - [12] - Quote In the Logi-LAV's defense...Its bright yellow! Hard to miss a micro short bus.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1781	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:41:00 - [13] - Quote Ran over a Corp mate who was using hacked AV nades, didn't even take my saga past half shields with my hardeners on. Worked it out after the match that with skills, hardeners, and explosives reduced damage against shields he was only doing 30% damage to my shields. I'm actually kinda liking the new shield skill bonus.
The Attorney General ZionTCD Unclaimed. 22	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:46:00 - [14] - Quote I tank in PC, where there is a reason to risk millions of isk in battle. If I play in a pub, you can best believe that I am going murder cab. Now, I may roll around in a pimped out methana, but that is only if I have a gunner. If I don't have a gunner, the logi LAV is the best option for playing murder cab. Relatively cheap compared to a tank, durable, fun to drive, and bright yellow, it just makes my day running over protos. I have zero SP in dropsuits or infantry weapons. Every single one of my 7.5 million SP is in vehicles. If you think I have to either run around in MLT fits so you can murder me, or I have to call in a tank so that you can AV grenade me when my blues leave me to die, then you have another thing coming. In fact, here it comes right now. Oh look, it is yellow.
Rolf The Viking Ill Omens EoN. 13	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:47:00 - [15] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: I was having similar experiences; had to HTFU and dump the points I was saving for Flaylock Proficiency into Swarm Launchers. Now that I'm back in proper AV, I haven't been dumped into any LLAV Murder Taxi matches to test it out. I have advanced swarms with damage mods and I can't make a dent in the LLAVs
crazy6226 No-Mercy Get in the Van. 13	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:48:00 - [16] - Quote Rolf The Viking wrote: Knarf Black wrote: I was having similar experiences; had to HTFU and dump the points I was saving for Flaylock Proficiency into Swarm Launchers. Now that I'm back in proper AV, I haven't been dumped into any LLAV Murder Taxi matches to test it out. I have advanced swarms with damage mods and I can't make a dent in the LLAVs You make a dent but you don't one shot it. I don't know why everyone wants there AV stuff to one shot.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 487	Posted - 2013.05.24 14:56:00 - [17] - Quote crazy6226 wrote: Rolf The Viking wrote: Knarf Black wrote: I was having similar experiences; had to HTFU and dump the points I was saving for Flaylock Proficiency into Swarm Launchers. Now that I'm back in proper AV, I haven't been dumped into any LLAV Murder Taxi matches to test it out. I have advanced swarms with damage mods and I can't make a dent in the LLAVs You make a dent but you don't one shot it. I don't know why everyone wants there AV stuff to one shot. because they view MLT SL to be the same as the Thales sniper but for vehicles so any sp over MLT should do over 10 times the full hitpoints of 2 full sp fitted HAVs, that's why. btw which LLAV if its the shield one then LOL of course your doing like 45% of the normal damage because of fitting, skills and resistances which take more SP then your SL so your getting out classed.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 53	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:09:00 - [18] - Quote i blow up a red lav limited ed today , whats up with that? is it from some pack?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 487	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:10:00 - [19] - Quote blood raiders, yes it is
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 451	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:14:00 - [20] - Quote I hope they nerf LAVs, just so that protostomping becomes even worse and blueberries qut from getting ROFL stomped. LAVs are useful for breaking up a murder squad and stopping lazy protobears and for crushing teams that are so selfish that no one decides to bring a Uplink so everyone go running across the interstate. Good squads stay fairly close to cover each other. Murder squads run in a tight pack and pump rounds into anything that moves. LAV > Proto Murder Squads. [Edit]: Anyone QQing about LAVs is a protobear who was mowing down newbies and got pissed because he got ran over before he could get a grenade into the blueberry spawn.

S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 53	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:18:00 - [21] - Quote i dont have a problem with LAV's , i love them , i dont use them tough
Hey Fatty SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 22	Posted - 2013.05.24 15:24:00 - [22] - Quote I do when Im bored. I just use my freebie and cruise the map. If some poor unfortunate squad gets trapped between the wheel and my tire well along the way, its just a bonus. Frankly, when Im not cruising, im too busy trashing other LAVs with nades and just racking in the ISK/WPs. I dont see the issue of running with some decent AV grenades to clean the streets of these ruffians! :)
Nightbird Aeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 157	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:47:00 - [23] - Quote I am not saying we should change anything about LAVs or their stats, or boost/buff their HP. Just remove impact damage. Let them be used as designed - nothing more, nothing less.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4621	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:52:00 - [24] - Quote Flux Grenade + Plasma Cannon = Dead Caldari LLAV.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1785	Posted - 2013.05.24 20:57:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Flux Grenade + Plasma Cannon = Dead Caldari LLAV. I just thought of something, what effect does resistance have on flux grenades? Never thought about it before.
CharCharOdell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 201	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:19:00 - [26] - Quote so, basically, you want everyone specced into vehicles to be useless? How about no. You all told us tankers to adapt or die after the nerfs we got, so we did, and now you're dying so you cry NERF IT! again. I'm not suprised. Would you also like ur duvolle tac to kill a madrugar in 1 clip, too?
CharCharOdell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 201	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:20:00 - [27] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: I am not saying we should change anything about LAVs or their stats, or boost/buff their HP. Just remove impact damage. Let them be used as designed - nothing more, nothing less. Have you ever heard of horse cavalry? its the same concept. The horse was as much a weapon as the revolver its rider carried.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 395	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:24:00 - [28] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: so, basically, you want everyone specced into vehicles to be useless? How about no. You all told us tankers to adapt or die after the nerfs we got, so we did, and now you're dying so you cry NERF IT! again. I'm not suprised. Would you also like ur duvolle tac to kill a madrugar in 1 clip, too? Pretty much. Free LAV spam is a pain, but jesus, don't nerf everything to hell even more.
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1481	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:37:00 - [29] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: so, basically, you want everyone specced into vehicles to be useless? How about no. You all told us tankers to adapt or die after the nerfs we got, so we did, and now you're dying so you cry NERF IT! again. I'm not suprised. Would you also like ur duvolle tac to kill a madrugar in 1 clip, too? Pretty much. Free LAV spam is a pain, but jesus, don't nerf everything to hell even more. It's pretty clear that they won't be happy until everybody specs Assault AR which most of us will be doing. But in the meantime I will fuel my murder taxi with their tears.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet 57	Posted - 2013.05.24 21:42:00 - [30] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Like the Valor guy said in MAG: Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. 95% of people that came to the forum wanted tanks nerfed. Now, you're reaping what you sew. Spec into proper AV. I've come across one of these. I had 3 complex damage mods, proto swarms, and swarm prof 3. I dumped a full clip - 5 shots - in to a LLAV. It took them and only went down to 20 shields. Then just drove off. Your argument is invalid.



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