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Noc Tempre
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:14:00 -
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Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it.
But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:18:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something.
Just to be snarky... if it only takes a day to take it... and one holds rightful claim to it... couldn't they then take it back the next day?
If they've got the muscle to hold it the other 364 days a year why do we need dev intervention for that 'one day'.
Otoky makes another point though as well that you may have skipped over. The reasons for it in the real world is political and has nothing to do with a magical barrier preventing us from assassinating kim jong on christmas. |
Otoky
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:19:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Do I have to show the examples from the 20. century when someone started to attack (or war) when the enemy celebrated something religious? Nah, google it. You will be suprised |
Noc Tempre
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:20:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Just to be snarky... if it only takes a day to take it... and one holds rightful claim to it... couldn't they then take it back the next day? If they've got the muscle to hold it the other 364 days a year why do we need dev intervention for that 'one day'. Otoky makes another point though as well that you may have skipped over. The reasons for it in the real world is 'pr' related and has nothing to do with a magical barrier preventing us from assassinating kim jong on christmas.
It only takes a day to do it if no one is around. That's why it's silly. Even the druge like walmart have to pay an arm and a leg to force people to work holidays, and this is just a game. |
Noc Tempre
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:20:00 -
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Otoky wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Do I have to show the examples from the 20. century when someone started to attack (or war) when the enemy celebrated something religious? Nah, google it. You will be suprised
Oh wow, real life is not only black and white. I will bow down to your massive intellect for finding it doesn't always do one thing or another. |
GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:23:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Just to be snarky... if it only takes a day to take it... and one holds rightful claim to it... couldn't they then take it back the next day? If they've got the muscle to hold it the other 364 days a year why do we need dev intervention for that 'one day'. Otoky makes another point though as well that you may have skipped over. The reasons for it in the real world is 'pr' related and has nothing to do with a magical barrier preventing us from assassinating kim jong on christmas. It only takes a day to do it if no one is around. That's why it's silly. Even the druge like walmart have to pay an arm and a leg to force people to work holidays, and this is just a game.
But it's also a an attempt at a 'sandbox' mmo. And by design, in a sandbox, you want to give the players as much freedom as possible.
If someone attacks on a holiday, this could be spun on the forums to ignite a 'holy war' and have them wiped off the face of the game.
The other part of dust that will immerse and has been for a long time in eve is the politics.
Some would argue that most major swings in EVE were due to political mishandling.. |
Noc Tempre
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:25:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Just to be snarky... if it only takes a day to take it... and one holds rightful claim to it... couldn't they then take it back the next day? If they've got the muscle to hold it the other 364 days a year why do we need dev intervention for that 'one day'. Otoky makes another point though as well that you may have skipped over. The reasons for it in the real world is 'pr' related and has nothing to do with a magical barrier preventing us from assassinating kim jong on christmas. It only takes a day to do it if no one is around. That's why it's silly. Even the druge like walmart have to pay an arm and a leg to force people to work holidays, and this is just a game. But it's also a an attempt at a 'sandbox' mmo. And by design, in a sandbox, you want to give the players as much freedom as possible. If someone attacks on a holiday, this could be spun on the forums to ignite a 'holy war' and have them wiped off the face of the game. The other part of dust that will immerse and has been for a long time in eve is the politics. Some would argue that most major swings in EVE were due to political mishandling..
That goes right out the window when you accept the PC mechanics are 100% arbitrary.
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GLiMPSE X
Gigolos of the Interwebz
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:31:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote: That goes right out the window when you accept the PC mechanics are 100% arbitrary.
I dunno that I agree with arbitrary as being the right word. There is certainly a non-random, system in place for them.
They are a bit 'abstract' but only by the way in which you get into them currently. That doesn't mean that will always be the case nor does it mean that what they represent still doesn't have some tie in to a more tangible asset. |
Vance Alken
Commando Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.23 08:35:00 -
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Wait, since when does Christmas exist in New Eden? |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:20:00 -
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the corp will live :p there'll always be someone on :p |
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:23:00 -
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Nah, I don't think the game should ever stop moving. Not for any "Holiday" |
jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:27:00 -
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just no. |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:34:00 -
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This thread delivers, and to accommodate all holidays and whatnot around the globe I propose that CCP remove PC bc that's the only way.
/c |
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Otoky
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:42:00 -
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Captain-Awesome wrote:the corp will live :p there'll always be someone on :p Corps need some buddhist and islam player :D
Edit: and jew |
steadyhand amarr
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:43:00 -
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There is never question in my head rl comes first no matter what if u have to make arrangement around a game or u want the game to fit round you. The line has blurred to much and u need to step away games are for fun. Not a lifestyle |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:51:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote: If someone attacks on a holiday, this could be spun on the forums to ignite a 'holy war' and have them wiped off the face of the game.
Always figured I'd end up starting one. maybe not even intentionally.
"how was I supposed to know it was your holy day to worship the flying spaghetti monster? I don't even keep track of mine, and a bunch of them are national holidays/celebrated nationwide" |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:57:00 -
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This is silly. The reasoning being "REAL WARS STOP ON CHRISTMAS" Y
ea kinda, but kinda not. There is no order from high command to stop fighting, people just stop shooting each other and all it takes is that one jerk to start shooting to get the war going again.
If you want a day off.. then just don't be a jerk and attack anyone on Christmas. If everyone is not a jerk then there won't be any battles on Christmas.
Don't force CCP to make an artificle armistice. Its much more special if the players do it themselves. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
225
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:55:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Considering this is a game, perhaps CCP should lock districts when it is a national holiday for 500M people or greater? No production, no attacks, no defenses, just days off for RL to come first. People shouldn't be losing a year of progress for not being available on a mass scale for 2 days in a row.
Agreed. As much as we love playing this game. We do have families and friends. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
610
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:59:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Agreed. As much as we love playing this game. We do have families and friends.
People also have jobs, school, sleep... In essence, everyone has other commitments. Can't cater to people who only want to play on their free time. Just because you choose to go on holiday, or spend time with others, shouldn't detract from other people wanting to play the game. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
496
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:01:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Considering this is a game, perhaps CCP should lock districts when it is a national holiday for 500M people or greater? No production, no attacks, no defenses, just days off for RL to come first. People shouldn't be losing a year of progress for not being available on a mass scale for 2 days in a row.
No. Ever. If your opponent is willing to attack you on a holiday, I guess you should be willing to defend. HTFU or get out of PC, no forced ceasefires by CCP. In fact, as little forced behavior by CCP as possible. This is what sandbox means. |
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NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:02:00 -
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Laheon wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Agreed. As much as we love playing this game. We do have families and friends. People also have jobs, school, sleep... In essence, everyone has other commitments. Can't cater to people who only want to play on their free time. Just because you choose to go on holiday, or spend time with others, shouldn't detract from other people wanting to play the game.
Well i know, it does get stressful after a day or two. But don't mistake me for the ones who would only show up weekends. If i had to think for myself, i'd do so and keep playing with 3 alarm clocks on. But this isnt about me or just one person. The op has a good suggestion. He is only asking for PC battles to be on seize. Not the entire. most posters here sound like, they play PC only, all day, every day |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:05:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Laheon wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Agreed. As much as we love playing this game. We do have families and friends. People also have jobs, school, sleep... In essence, everyone has other commitments. Can't cater to people who only want to play on their free time. Just because you choose to go on holiday, or spend time with others, shouldn't detract from other people wanting to play the game. Well i know, it does get stressful after a day or two. But don't mistake me for the ones who would only show up weekends. If i had to think for myself, i'd do so and keep playing with 3 alarm clocks on. But this isnt about me or just one person. The op has a good suggestion. He is only asking for PC battles to be on seize. Not the entire. most posters here sound like, they play PC only, all day, every day
Again no. It's a terrible idea. PC is the nullsec of Dust currently. If someone else has the balls and capability to attack on a holiday, then suck it up buttercup.
HTFU or get out of PC.
PC isn't supposed to be some gentlemen's club. Dust, and PC in particular, should be as sandboxy as possible. This means the players make the rules, not CCP. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
610
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:08:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Well i know, it does get stressful after a day or two. But don't mistake me for the ones who would only show up weekends. If i had to think for myself, i'd do so and keep playing with 3 alarm clocks on. But this isnt about me or just one person. The op has a good suggestion. He is only asking for PC battles to be on seize. Not the entire. most posters here sound like, they play PC only, all day, every day
To be absolutely fair, you do have 24 hours notice on a PC battle. If you see the timer, and realise that there'll be a battle on the holiday, but still choose to go on holiday (the better decision imo), then that's entirely your choice. It's a case of priorities. However, allow the teenagers and young adults who don't have plans (or plans for the full day) to play PC if they want to. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
226
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:13:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Laheon wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Agreed. As much as we love playing this game. We do have families and friends. People also have jobs, school, sleep... In essence, everyone has other commitments. Can't cater to people who only want to play on their free time. Just because you choose to go on holiday, or spend time with others, shouldn't detract from other people wanting to play the game. Well i know, it does get stressful after a day or two. But don't mistake me for the ones who would only show up weekends. If i had to think for myself, i'd do so and keep playing with 3 alarm clocks on. But this isnt about me or just one person. The op has a good suggestion. He is only asking for PC battles to be on seize. Not the entire. most posters here sound like, they play PC only, all day, every day Again no. It's a terrible idea. PC is the nullsec of Dust currently. If someone else has the balls and capability to attack on a holiday, then suck it up buttercup. HTFU or get out of PC. PC isn't supposed to be some gentlemen's club. Dust, and PC in particular, should be as sandboxy as possible. This means the players make the rules, not CCP.
Even better then, players can decide not to attack each other on certain days. Or not!!! Let the QQ threads begin after that. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
496
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:16:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Buster Friently wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Laheon wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Agreed. As much as we love playing this game. We do have families and friends. People also have jobs, school, sleep... In essence, everyone has other commitments. Can't cater to people who only want to play on their free time. Just because you choose to go on holiday, or spend time with others, shouldn't detract from other people wanting to play the game. Well i know, it does get stressful after a day or two. But don't mistake me for the ones who would only show up weekends. If i had to think for myself, i'd do so and keep playing with 3 alarm clocks on. But this isnt about me or just one person. The op has a good suggestion. He is only asking for PC battles to be on seize. Not the entire. most posters here sound like, they play PC only, all day, every day Again no. It's a terrible idea. PC is the nullsec of Dust currently. If someone else has the balls and capability to attack on a holiday, then suck it up buttercup. HTFU or get out of PC. PC isn't supposed to be some gentlemen's club. Dust, and PC in particular, should be as sandboxy as possible. This means the players make the rules, not CCP. Even better then, players can decide not to attack each other on certain days. Or not!!! Let the QQ threads begin after that.
Yes, this is exactly how it should work. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
226
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:18:00 -
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Laheon wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Well i know, it does get stressful after a day or two. But don't mistake me for the ones who would only show up weekends. If i had to think for myself, i'd do so and keep playing with 3 alarm clocks on. But this isnt about me or just one person. The op has a good suggestion. He is only asking for PC battles to be on seize. Not the entire. most posters here sound like, they play PC only, all day, every day To be absolutely fair, you do have 24 hours notice on a PC battle. If you see the timer, and realise that there'll be a battle on the holiday, but still choose to go on holiday (the better decision imo), then that's entirely your choice. It's a case of priorities. However, allow the teenagers and young adults who don't have plans (or plans for the full day) to play PC if they want to.
But there should be a dust holiday? 14th of every month? |
Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
4
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:25:00 -
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There is already a mechanism in game that can be used to essentially give you a holiday. It will cost 80mm ISK per day per district, but it can be done. |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
302
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:28:00 -
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Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU.
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:40:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:just no.
Do you EVER have any thought process or do you just always go around declaring things and expect people to listen to you? |
Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
478
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:49:00 -
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The best way to do this is offer a general tool that cost high amounts of isk to block out the district for a day. To limit any possible abuse, have a cool down period. Story wise it could be paying Concord to protect that district for 24hrs? CCP could expand that functionality then to offer a cheaper rate on world wide holiday / holiday that the community votes on. #justideas |
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