DUST Search - CCP Enforced Ceasefires

Noc Tempre wrote:

GLiMPSE X wrote:

Noc Tempre wrote:

Otoky wrote:

In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it.

But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something.

Just to be snarky... if it only takes a day to take it... and one holds rightful claim to it... couldn't they then take it back the next day?

If they've got the muscle to hold it the other 364 days a year why do we need dev intervention for that 'one day'.

Otoky makes another point though as well that you may have skipped over. The reasons for it in the real world is 'pr' related and has nothing to do with a magical barrier preventing us from assassinating kim jong on christmas.

It only takes a day to do it if no one is around. That's why it's silly. Even the druge like walmart have to pay an arm and a leg to force people to work holidays, and this is just a game.


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GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 63	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:16:00 - [1] - Quote PROBLEM: Can't open presents without losing mah IG stuffz. SOLUTION: Recruit a significant force that do not celebrate Christmas. PROBLEM: I wanna go ring in the new year in stylez! SOLUTION: Recruit a significant force that do not have friends or the means in which to afford a proper celebration. All trolling aside -- I don't think the game needs to be paused. If you look at how these things typically play out in the 'work force'... You'll have low paid workers sometimes being forced to work mission critical jobs while your high paid workers sit back and enjoy their holiday. If you wanted to translate this over to IMPS situation and glean a solution. You could subcontract low paid, crummy, zerg merc corps to counter attack or defend anyone that threatens your proposed 'cease fire'. It may not get done as well as if you did it yourself, but hey, it doesn't in business either and **** survives. If you want to give added productivity to the scrublords you'll be paying you'll throw some 'on-call' high paid labor as an option...if you can find someone willing to 'pick up the phone' on the holidays.
GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 63	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:50:00 - [2] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Do they do that for sov in EvE? Sov doesn't flip in a day. Take nearly a week iirc. Cant you just pay the price to have an alt corp attack your interests if you really want a guaranteed day of rest? Everyone else faces the same risk and currently has the same option.
GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 63	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:54:00 - [3] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: GLiMPSE X wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Do they do that for sov in EvE? Sov doesn't flip in a day. Take nearly a week iirc. Cant you just pay the price to have an alt corp attack your interests if you really want a guaranteed day of rest? Everyone else faces the same risk and currently has the same option. Still need someone logging on to do that. And that assumes someone is giving you respite from attack. Honestly, it's the other corps that should be worried, we're a bunch of friendless no lifers. It's a public service we provide to make taking your districts fair to you Good points on the under siege situation. In either case, I think there's options, and while it may not be convenient for some it doesn't mean that it's a problem that the devs need to intervene in ;-)
GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 63	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:01:00 - [4] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: "Don't get attacked" isn't a reasonable mechanic to avoid making this game unfun. Do I need a certain Jew quota in my corp to defend on Christmas? Yes, or some of them middle easterners. I don't think they worship the christian gods... alternatively some of them people from asia that haven't been converted by the christian missionaries that traveled east during the great crusades. Seriously though. Don't get attacked isnt the solution. The solution is 'have people there to defend'. You have to make sacrifices to have a smaller tighter knit team. One of those sacrifices is not having a solid c,d team that can fill the ranks when some wanna take a break for the holidays. I say all this with the utmost respect and to add to the context... i have an app in to impswarm sitting and waiting for acknowledgement.
GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 63	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:11:00 - [5] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: GLiMPSE X wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: "Don't get attacked" isn't a reasonable mechanic to avoid making this game unfun. Do I need a certain Jew quota in my corp to defend on Christmas? Yes, or some of them middle easterners. I don't think they worship the christian gods... alternatively some of them people from asia that haven't been converted by the christian missionaries that traveled east during the great crusades. Seriously though. Don't get attacked isnt the solution. The solution is 'have people there to defend'. You have to make sacrifices to have a smaller tighter knit team. One of those sacrifices is not having a solid c,d team that can fill the ranks when some wanna take a break for the holidays. I say all this with the utmost respect and to add to the context... i have an app in to impswarm sitting and waiting for acknowledgement. Not my call, but I do like your style. We are only accepting proven AWOXERs at this time though so competition is tight. AWOX'ing is not something I have the time nor desire -- but 'that's what a spy would say'...amirite?! :-P Some have already pointed out that AWOX'ing is something only the crummy spies will do as it's a quick way to blow your cover. The good spies will gain trust and become director. Games like eve and dust, you can only really trust those you've known before eve. Everyone else you should keep at arms length and a 'need to know' basis. If you take the paranoia too far though you'll end up with a dead corporation that's torn itself apart from the inside pointing spy at every other current/future member. The key is to limit the damage that any one person can do. Security in depth.
GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 63	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:18:00 - [6] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Otoky wrote: In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Just to be snarky... if it only takes a day to take it... and one holds rightful claim to it... couldn't they then take it back the next day? If they've got the muscle to hold it the other 364 days a year why do we need dev intervention for that 'one day'. Otoky makes another point though as well that you may have skipped over. The reasons for it in the real world is political and has nothing to do with a magical barrier preventing us from assassinating kim jong on christmas.
GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 63	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:23:00 - [7] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: GLiMPSE X wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Otoky wrote: In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Just to be snarky... if it only takes a day to take it... and one holds rightful claim to it... couldn't they then take it back the next day? If they've got the muscle to hold it the other 364 days a year why do we need dev intervention for that 'one day'. Otoky makes another point though as well that you may have skipped over. The reasons for it in the real world is 'pr' related and has nothing to do with a magical barrier preventing us from assassinating kim jong on christmas. It only takes a day to do it if no one is around. That's why it's silly. Even the druge like walmart have to pay an arm and a leg to force people to work holidays, and this is just a game. But it's also a an attempt at a 'sandbox' mmo. And by design, in a sandbox, you want to give the players as much freedom as possible. If someone attacks on a holiday, this could be spun on the forums to ignite a 'holy war' and have them wiped off the face of the game. The other part of dust that will immerse and has been for a long time in eve is the politics. Some would argue that most major swings in EVE were due to political mishandling..
GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 63	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:31:00 - [8] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: That goes right out the window when you accept the PC mechanics are 100% arbitrary. I dunno that I agree with arbitrary as being the right word. There is certainly a non-random, system in place for them. They are a bit 'abstract' but only by the way in which you get into them currently. That doesn't mean that will always be the case nor does it mean that what they represent still doesn't have some tie in to a more tangible asset.
GLiMPSE X Gigolos of the Interwebz 67	Posted - 2013.05.23 20:27:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Except if you use aurum, it would then turn it into true pay to win. The best solution for this is merc marketplace where people can sell themselves available and corps can build a roster of trusted and untrusted clients. Then use collateral to help prevent 'throwing' the match costing the failure more than the territory is worth. or you implement a contract system similar to eve but the payout is contingent on completing x (attacking and killing x clones, defending and only losing x clones). You'll need to pay well for this but for some the money would be worth it the risk on both sides. This same system could carry over into mercenary contracts for other pieces of the game.