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Posted - 2013.05.23 03:27:00 -
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Considering this is a game, perhaps CCP should lock districts when it is a national holiday for 500M people or greater? No production, no attacks, no defenses, just days off for RL to come first. People shouldn't be losing a year of progress for not being available on a mass scale for 2 days in a row. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 03:29:00 -
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Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU.
You really want to log on to DUST on christmas? If your RL job asked that of you it tends to be AT LEAST double pay. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 03:35:00 -
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Setaceous Prime wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU. You really want to log on to DUST on christmas? If your RL job asked that of you it tends to be AT LEAST double pay. Make up your mind, is it a game or is it real life?
It's a game. It shouldn't be a question. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 03:37:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU. Did you know in WWI there was a cease-fire during christmas day. The opposing forces came into 'no man's land' and played soccer. I honestly wouldn't care for a cease fire on christmas. The only problem i see with that is that other countries have different holidays.
Which is why I threw out the number of 500M. At the very least, if it affects over 5-10% of all humans, we shouldn't have the game try and compete with ti. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 03:41:00 -
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Setaceous Prime wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU. Did you know in WWI there was a cease-fire during christmas day. The opposing forces came into 'no man's land' and played soccer. I honestly wouldn't care for a cease fire on christmas. The only problem i see with that is that other countries have different holidays. This is entertainment, not a real war (if that starts to blur in your mind, seek help). Some people celebrate holidays with their families. Some play games. Some do both. I'm not going to tell others what they should do with their free time and I'd like to think that attitude is prevalent amongst most adults.
This is a game where players can lose years of progress in 2 days. By not pushing pause, you ARE telling them what to do (at least if they want to play the "important" part of the game). |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 03:41:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU. Did you know in WWI there was a cease-fire during christmas day. The opposing forces came into 'no man's land' and played soccer. I honestly wouldn't care for a cease fire on christmas. The only problem i see with that is that other countries have different holidays. Which is why I threw out the number of 500M. At the very least, if it affects over 5-10% of all humans, we shouldn't have the game try and compete with ti. does eve stop on christmas? There's your answer, we are mercenaries, we don't get time off, we set our own hours and accept the consequences of deciding to take time off.
1 pilot can't flip sov in 2 days. Different f**king games |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 03:50:00 -
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Setaceous Prime wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Setaceous Prime wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU. Did you know in WWI there was a cease-fire during christmas day. The opposing forces came into 'no man's land' and played soccer. I honestly wouldn't care for a cease fire on christmas. The only problem i see with that is that other countries have different holidays. This is entertainment, not a real war (if that starts to blur in your mind, seek help). Some people celebrate holidays with their families. Some play games. Some do both. I'm not going to tell others what they should do with their free time and I'd like to think that attitude is prevalent amongst most adults. This is a game where players can lose years of progress in 2 days. By not pushing pause, you ARE telling them what to do (at least if they want to play the "important" part of the game). Two years in two days? Maybe. If another corp has to wait until you're not there to take your district(s), chances are they're not good enough to actually defend it when you come back. Besides, think of all the fun you'll have finding out In the end it doesn't matter, when CCP turns the servers off (at some stage in the future it will happen) everyone will lose everything anyway It doesn't matter. It takes days for us to take a planet from a corp that only fields 7 in defense. If it is a real rival, it's just not fun. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 03:52:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:
same universe, same rules. you want time off? stop playing and deal with the consequences.
Did you go to a special school? The rules aren't even close to the same. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:08:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU. Did you know in WWI there was a cease-fire during christmas day. The opposing forces came into 'no man's land' and played soccer. I honestly wouldn't care for a cease fire on christmas. The only problem i see with that is that other countries have different holidays. And ww2 there was only killing in christmas and any other holidays,you dont have to log in game,people has holidays when they are not in game.Use that in your advantage
Are you seriously suggesting we should take DUST more seriously than WW2? |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:51:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Aoena Rays wrote:This ain't WoW where you dance and set off fireworks during christmas in game and hug everyone. THIS IS WAR! Actually eve has fireworks.
Eve also takes a few weeks to flip ownership of something. DUST you can do it in 1 day with an AWOXer or 2 days with a single unopposed person. Everywhere can be flipped in one day by one character. No one sees this as a problem? |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:38:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Do they do that for sov in EvE?
Sov doesn't flip in a day. Take nearly a week iirc. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:50:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:Next you'll be asking for all of Iceland to close up shop for practically the whole month of December.
Oh, wait...
I think the solution to this is to give corps a sort of shield device that basically equates to a small number of blackout days that they can use at their leisure.
That works too. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:51:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Do they do that for sov in EvE? Sov doesn't flip in a day. Take nearly a week iirc. Cant you just pay the price to have an alt corp attack your interests if you really want a guaranteed day of rest? Everyone else faces the same risk and currently has the same option.
Still need someone logging on to do that. And that assumes someone is giving you respite from attack. Honestly, it's the other corps that should be worried, we're a bunch of friendless no lifers. It's a public service we provide to make taking your districts fair to you |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:55:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Do they do that for sov in EvE? Sov doesn't flip in a day. Take nearly a week iirc. Cant you just pay the price to have an alt corp attack your interests if you really want a guaranteed day of rest? Everyone else faces the same risk and currently has the same option. Still need someone logging on to do that. And that assumes someone is giving you respite from attack. Honestly, it's the other corps that should be worried, we're a bunch of friendless no lifers. It's a public service we provide to make taking your districts fair to you Good points on the under siege situation. In either case, I think there's options, and while it may not be convenient for some it doesn't mean that it's a problem that the devs need to intervene in ;-)
"Don't get attacked" isn't a reasonable mechanic to avoid making this game unfun. Do I need a certain Jew quota in my corp to defend on Christmas? |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:06:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote: "Don't get attacked" isn't a reasonable mechanic to avoid making this game unfun. Do I need a certain Jew quota in my corp to defend on Christmas?
Yes, or some of them middle easterners. I don't think they worship the christian gods... alternatively some of them people from asia that haven't been converted by the christian missionaries that traveled east during the great crusades. Seriously though. Don't get attacked isnt the solution. The solution is 'have people there to defend'. You have to make sacrifices to have a smaller tighter knit team. One of those sacrifices is not having a solid c,d team that can fill the ranks when some wanna take a break for the holidays. I say all this with the utmost respect and to add to the context... i have an app in to impswarm sitting and waiting for acknowledgement.
Not my call, but I do like your style. We are only accepting proven AWOXERs at this time though so competition is tight. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:13:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:
AWOX'ing is not something I have the time nor desire
That's a shame. We would love to have more AWOXers in our midst. Everyone knows pressing X = master spy. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:14:00 -
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Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it.
But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:20:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Just to be snarky... if it only takes a day to take it... and one holds rightful claim to it... couldn't they then take it back the next day? If they've got the muscle to hold it the other 364 days a year why do we need dev intervention for that 'one day'. Otoky makes another point though as well that you may have skipped over. The reasons for it in the real world is 'pr' related and has nothing to do with a magical barrier preventing us from assassinating kim jong on christmas.
It only takes a day to do it if no one is around. That's why it's silly. Even the druge like walmart have to pay an arm and a leg to force people to work holidays, and this is just a game. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:20:00 -
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Otoky wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Do I have to show the examples from the 20. century when someone started to attack (or war) when the enemy celebrated something religious? Nah, google it. You will be suprised
Oh wow, real life is not only black and white. I will bow down to your massive intellect for finding it doesn't always do one thing or another. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 07:25:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:GLiMPSE X wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Otoky wrote:In real life noone stop you to start a war in christmas only reuptation or bad press. Why shoud CCP play "god" in the game and stop this. I hope ppl will be polite enough to not do it. But in real life they DO stop wars on high holidays quite often. It's a game where they made it cake to take away what could cost years to acquire, that's why CCP needs to change something. Just to be snarky... if it only takes a day to take it... and one holds rightful claim to it... couldn't they then take it back the next day? If they've got the muscle to hold it the other 364 days a year why do we need dev intervention for that 'one day'. Otoky makes another point though as well that you may have skipped over. The reasons for it in the real world is 'pr' related and has nothing to do with a magical barrier preventing us from assassinating kim jong on christmas. It only takes a day to do it if no one is around. That's why it's silly. Even the druge like walmart have to pay an arm and a leg to force people to work holidays, and this is just a game. But it's also a an attempt at a 'sandbox' mmo. And by design, in a sandbox, you want to give the players as much freedom as possible. If someone attacks on a holiday, this could be spun on the forums to ignite a 'holy war' and have them wiped off the face of the game. The other part of dust that will immerse and has been for a long time in eve is the politics. Some would argue that most major swings in EVE were due to political mishandling..
That goes right out the window when you accept the PC mechanics are 100% arbitrary.
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:40:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:just no.
Do you EVER have any thought process or do you just always go around declaring things and expect people to listen to you? |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:14:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:The best way to do this is offer a general tool that cost high amounts of isk to block out the district for a day. To limit any possible abuse, have a cool down period. Story wise it could be paying Concord to protect that district for 24hrs? CCP could expand that functionality then to offer a cheaper rate on world wide holiday / holiday that the community votes on. #justideas
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:25:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:jenza aranda wrote:just no. Do you EVER have any thought process or do you just always go around declaring things and expect people to listen to you?
Got an answer on IRC, full of unintentional irony: [12:46] <+jenza> i don't see why i should waste my time replying to a stupid idea from someone too blockheaded to see beyond their own selfish idea.
Good job CPM0 Jenza. Good job. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:28:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Choices have consequences.
If you want a puppy, you got to take care, feed, and clean the poop.
Whenever it is needed.
If you don-Št want the consequences, don-Št make the choice.
I get now. None of you have real lives, therefore EVE/DUST is REAL. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:40:00 -
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Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU.
Looks like it's 2:1 against your callousness. Perhaps you should HTFU and accept players want lives outside of the game. |
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:22:00 -
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Furrow33 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Setaceous Prime wrote:Nope. HTFU. Looks like it's 2:1 against your callousness. Perhaps you should HTFU and accept players want lives outside of the game. If you had a real life outside of the game you wouldn't be wanting them to shut down for a holiday. Wanting this means you care a little bit too much I think. Not every country or person has the same holidays or on the same day either.
I don't want to have to start from square 0 just because I have a life and you don't. That's all this is about. You can be set back to square 0 overnight if you don't treat it like a job. Not cool. |
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