Any AR can kill you in .5 if all shots hit you. You are just lucky the dude wasnt using a scrambler pistol. 1-2 head shots and you are done-zo.

Correct all TARs are overpowered hence why it's the only gun anybody is using

Go ahead try and argue its not

You shouldn't restrict the gear people can wear because they don't meet your SP requirements. I've got 7mil SP and I've got proto gear, NVM can only wear ADV gear what a waste.

Yeah, skills and certain armor modules provide much more of an advantage than weapons. Weapon balance is something that is over-rated in these forums. Look at the difference in damage between militia and proto weapons, it isnt much. You dont gain THAT much from upgrading to a duvoulle at all.

Certain advantages are big though, upgrading the mass driver or forge to increase splash is huge, upgrading to the TAR or the Duvoule TAR for added range is huge. But the damage? Its relatively negliable. In a lot of cases it doesnt even change the time to kill at all.

Now, being able to increase tank, or speed, or reduce kick etc all actually make a much bigger impact then doing 5-10% more damage since most guns kill very quickly if your shots land.

jesus christ...

use militia ar. kill nerds. they whine. guns nerfed.


use glue gun. kill nerds. they whine. incoming nerf.


you guys want PvE so bad just so you don't get killed and i swear to god...

the AI is gonna redline you.

and you're gonna ask for nerfs

Peace
B

CQC I'll take a MD over a TAR any day of the week.

It's only overpowered because the hipfire accuracy is too high. it should really have close to zero accuracy when hipfired.

I would also suggest lowering the ammo per magazine, upping the reload time, an ADS delay on par with the HMG or sniper rifle, and applying a hard refire time to prevent exploitation.

I don't know why I bother making reasonable suggestions when I know full well they're just going to nerf the thing into the ground and make it completely useless.

I'm sorry that you feel that way. Why not try it out yourself? If it is so OP why are you not using it? The kick from it at base level skills to use it is still significant and the supporting skills that can be trained up to level 5 also give the weapon a good advantage over a standard assault rifle but if you play a few matches where everyone seems to be using scrambler rifles and hitting people at the same ranges of a TAC you will see it is by far not OP. It could also use a bit more range on it as the scope can pick people out at a good distance but often if you are trying to hit them the red dot will not show up until they are already hitting you. This is because there are now quite a few people using scrambler rifles the way they were using the TAR. It has a much higher ROF and can very quickly get the best of most TAR users from outside their range.

I'm starting to get weirded out by how reasonable most of the Imps are regarding this issue.

It's because, although you are all trash players who should probably just delete dust from your PS3 before you chain it to your car and drag it through the street, we still want the illusion that the game is fun and competitive for everyone before we take everything you hold dear and ruin the experience for you.

You shouldn't restrict the gear people can wear because they don't meet your SP requirements. I've got 7mil SP and I've got proto gear, NVM can only wear ADV gear what a waste.

Correct all TARs are overpowered hence why it's the only gun anybody is using

Go ahead try and argue its not

refer to post #5

EDIT: After referring to post #5 go back and read the entire OP.

I'm sorry that you feel that way. Why not try it out yourself? If it is so OP why are you not using it? The kick from it at base level skills to use it is still significant and the supporting skills that can be trained up to level 5 also give the weapon a good advantage over a standard assault rifle but if you play a few matches where everyone seems to be using scrambler rifles and hitting people at the same ranges of a TAC you will see it is by far not OP. It could also use a bit more range on it as the scope can pick people out at a good distance but often if you are trying to hit them the red dot will not show up until they are already hitting you. This is because there are now quite a few people using scrambler rifles the way they were using the TAR. It has a much higher ROF and can very quickly get the best of most TAR users from outside their range.

No. I refuse...

Ok, I did. and you're sort of right but sort of wrong. The tac rifle is supposed to be a sniper/AR hybrid, not a high capacity pistol.
It should have a unique place on the battle field that caters to a certain playstyle and you do that by keeping the thing that makes it great, Long range/high damage, and getting rid of everything else.

I would agree when it is used against players of a comparable SP and Gear level.

The problem I'm noticing is that when these higher tier weapons are used against lower tier players, the lower tier players feel like they are OP and need to be nerfed because they are not equipped with the core skills and the gear to defend against/counter the higher tier players and their better equipment.

Maybe you shouldn't have used the most obviously OP weapon currently in the game as your example, then. I can OHK militia suits with my Flaylock, but there aren't a lot of 'ZOMG Flaylock is OP' threads because those deaths are a drop in the bucket by comparison. (It's not just that Tacs are OP; they are also crazy popular on the battlefield.)

I would agree when it is used against players of a comparable SP and Gear level.

The problem I'm noticing is that when these higher tier weapons are used against lower tier players, the lower tier players feel like they are OP and need to be nerfed because they are not equipped with the core skills and the gear to defend against/counter the higher tier players and their better equipment.

Well, the higher gear players are noticing that the TAC AR is very effective in close quarters. More so than a fully tricked out HMG.
I also do consider that part of its effectiveness is the fact that it isn't as effected by lag as the full auto weapons because you constantly nag the server with requests that it recognize your existence.

But the weapon is out of its element and is THE go to all around AR choice ATM. That's not where it belongs.

I do still get killed plenty by Duvolle Tac AR and the fully auto Duvolle AR

Refer to post #5 then go back and read the entire OP

I get killed in about .5 seconds by (insert weapon) while running in my MLT Dropsuit. It seriously needs to be nerfed! I mean c'mon seriously there's no way it should be able to kill a merc in MLT gear that quickly!

On a serious note, If CCP were to implement some kind of better matchmaking system I think it would drastically cut down on all of the nerf threads.

My suggestion is an SP Tier based system where you play in matches at or above your Tier Bracket of SP:

SP tiers:
500k - 2mil, MLT Gear
500k - 4 mil MLT, and Standard Gear
500k - 6 mil MLT, Standard, and Advanced Gear
500k - 8 mil ANY/ALL Gear
500k - 10 mil ANY/ALL Gear
500k and up ANY/ALL Gear

Notice that players could willingly join a higher tier, but restrict higher tier players from going back to lower tiers and pubstomping. This would place all players into more competitive matches.

As for squads:

If you are in a squad you must play in the tier corresponding to the highest SP ranking player in the squad. Otherwise you would not be able to join the battle.

This matchmaking system would only apply to instant battles. If you fight in PC or FW be prepared.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Adjusted Gear restrictions.

EDIT II: Adjusted SP Restrictions.

EDIT III: Changed Title of Thread to: _______ is OP

CCP is implementing a matchmaking system that sorts players from their WP. I'm sure it was supposed to come out with release.

WP is not a good metric to use in and of itself because it is all to easy to manipulate your WP.

I just posted my idea for matchmaking HERE


WP matchmaking will severely limit low level ques as time goes on and sort of punish those who play even after their bonus cap has been reached.

Melee is over powered, it has infinite ammo.

Melee is over powered, it has infinite ammo.

My suggestion is an SP Tier based system where you play in matches at or above your Tier Bracket of SP:

SP tiers:
500k - 2mil, MLT Gear
500k - 4 mil MLT, and Standard Gear
500k - 6 mil MLT, Standard, and Advanced Gear
500k - 8 mil ANY/ALL Gear
500k - 10 mil ANY/ALL Gear
500k and up ANY/ALL Gear

Notice that players could willingly join a higher tier, but restrict higher tier players from going back to lower tiers and pubstomping. This would place all players into more competitive matches.

LOL you have been trolled!

I started the post that way to prove a point: a lot (probably the majority) of nerf threads stem from the fact that players with very low SP and low level gear may think a weapon is OP because they do not have core skills built up and are not equipped to defend against players with Proficiency lvl 5 using proto weapons; in turn the low level players come to the forums complaining that something is OP.

Meanwhile, a player who has their core skills built up and is running in better gear can give better feedback on gear comparable to their own level.

LOL you have been trolled!

I started the post that way to prove a point: a lot (probably the majority) of nerf threads stem from the fact that players with very low SP and low level gear may think a weapon is OP because they do not have core skills built up and are not equipped to defend against players with Proficiency lvl 5 using proto weapons; in turn the low level players come to the forums complaining that something is OP.

Meanwhile, a player who has their core skills built up and is running in better gear can give better feedback on gear comparable to their own level.

QQ all you want, in the end I am not cheating when I work my finger to a rhythm of 750rpm.