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Melted Kitt3n Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:16:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.psu.com/a019471/DUST-514-Review---Liberating-FPS-players-from-a-prison-they-dont-know-theyre-in-yet?page=1 By all means, Dust is a good game, but there's massive flaws which I believe negate this 9/10. However, its a matter of perspective. Either way, the game has tons of potential. But first the core needs to be fixed up. FPS mechanics fixed = 9/0 Potential.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 436	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:18:00 - [2] - Quote GUYS, SERIOUSLY, POST MORE REVIEWS. I NEED TO READ ALL OF THE REVIEWS. ALL OF THEM. Hooray?
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 261	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:24:00 - [3] - Quote I expected the reviews to be a wide spread. If you get it, you really get it. If you don't, you really don't. There are a few layers of frustrating bullshit to push through before you reach a broad understanding of the game, and many reviewers are not going to manage that in the week they have to review the game. This reviewer sounds like someone who has been playing longer than that, has gotten over the obvious short-term issues, and sees the heart and potential of it. Now let's just hope he doesn't transcend to the next level of Dust, whining endlessly on the forums about nothing in particular.
Isarian Menoptra Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 128	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:34:00 - [4] - Quote I continue to be baffled by the reviewers who rate DUST based on it's "promise" and "potential". Protip - rate it based on what we are actually playing instead?
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 261	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:41:00 - [5] - Quote Isarian Menoptra wrote: I continue to be baffled by the reviewers who rate DUST based on it's "promise" and "potential". Protip - rate it based on what we are actually playing instead? Dreams are in short supply these days. When people buy the latest broshooter, there's nothing aspirational about it. You get what you get. The multiplayer you invest is guaranteed to stagnate as you improve, until you're left a master of something nobody plays. The cycle repeats, over and over. Even large-scale online games like Planetside rapidly reveal the lack of depth and cyclical nature of everything you fight for. How many times can this happen before a player starts to yearn for something with a bit of scope to it? Something where you can not only play the game as it is, but maintain the same optimism for future content that most players only get prior to the release of a big name game, and receive sweeping changes that retain everything you've learnt up to that point, but ask you to use it in new ways. Dreaming is one thing, but a lot of the interesting future developments in Dust feel tantalisingly close now that everything is operating on the same backend.
Icy TIG3R Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 154	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:43:00 - [6] - Quote Snaps Tremor wrote: I expected the reviews to be a wide spread. If you get it, you really get it. If you don't, you really don't. There are a few layers of frustrating bullshit to push through before you reach a broad understanding of the game, and many reviewers are not going to manage that in the week they have to review the game. This reviewer has been playing for months, has gotten over the obvious short-term issues, and sees the heart and potential of it. Now let's just hope he doesn't transcend to the next level of Dust, whining endlessly on the forums about nothing in particular. I've been playing for about a year now, I see the potential but I also see the glaring problems that he dismisses as "slight technical issues". Btw OP is my alt.
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 163	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:44:00 - [7] - Quote Snaps Tremor wrote: I expected the reviews to be a wide spread. If you get it, you really get it. If you don't, you really don't. There are a few layers of frustrating bullshit to push through before you reach a broad understanding of the game, and many reviewers are not going to manage that in the week they have to review the game. This reviewer has been playing for months, has gotten over the obvious short-term issues, and sees the heart and potential of it. Now let's just hope he doesn't transcend to the next level of Dust, whining endlessly on the forums about nothing in particular. I know the guy who wrote this, and this is indeed the case. He's been playing Dust for a long time and definitely sees the bigger picture. Whether or not people agree with that (for a review) is kind of a personal taste thing. And trust me, he's well aware of the issues with the game. Many of us at PSU bring them up in our own forums. I mean, I personally wouldn't rate it a nine, but I understand his perspective and why he did. The same way I understand why some people give it a five (or whatever low score).
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 89	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:45:00 - [8] - Quote Icy TIG3R wrote: Snaps Tremor wrote: I expected the reviews to be a wide spread. If you get it, you really get it. If you don't, you really don't. There are a few layers of frustrating bullshit to push through before you reach a broad understanding of the game, and many reviewers are not going to manage that in the week they have to review the game. This reviewer has been playing for months, has gotten over the obvious short-term issues, and sees the heart and potential of it. Now let's just hope he doesn't transcend to the next level of Dust, whining endlessly on the forums about nothing in particular. I've been playing for about a year now, I see the potential but I also see the glaring problems that he dismisses as "slight technical issues". Btw OP is my alt. WE WANT THE KITT3N 3dit3d for accuracy.
Garus Locke Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:59:00 - [9] - Quote You have to consider too I get the feeling they're trying to develop like EVE, slow buildup to keep the core players happy for years to come VS your average 'buy the game, drop in for a match having never played before and do great and buy the new version of the same shooter with a couple new maps and slightly crisper graphics every year' type of thing. I started playing because the company has a bigger vision for the game (or at least seems to). These days most games launch with everything they expect it to ever have, gamers get bored and the servers shut down 2 years later. Nothing bugs me more than really loving a game and one day suddenly it's gone because the devs didn't put the thought into a long term goal. On that note can I have a Gallente heavy suit yet? Concept art? Anything?
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 66	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:03:00 - [10] - Quote The Dust advertisments all over the page, didn't make me question the review at all...

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 483	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:09:00 - [11] - Quote Melted Kitt3n wrote: http://www.psu.com/a019471/DUST-514-Review---Liberating-FPS-players-from-a-prison-they-dont-know-theyre-in-yet?page=1 By all means, Dust is a good game, but there's massive flaws which I believe negate this 9/10. However, its a matter of perspective. Either way, the game has tons of potential. But first the core needs to be fixed up. FPS mechanics fixed = 9/0 Potential. It's no mystery: a Playstation website rates a PS exclusive highly.
RejectedUsername The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:10:00 - [12] - Quote Isarian Menoptra wrote: I continue to be baffled by the reviewers who rate DUST based on it's "promise" and "potential". Protip - rate it based on what we are actually playing instead? Keep in mind that this is an MMOFPS, which means that it will undergo constant updates to its mechanics and overall gameplay. It is not fair for reviewers to grade a game based on its launch; all they should give is initial impressions of the game (i.e. bad for newbies). Though to back up the reviewer unlike ign this one in particular sees the greatness of the game past all of its flaws and for that i commend him.
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 445	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:12:00 - [13] - Quote "Playstation Universe" reviewing a Playstation exclusive...definitely not a biased source....
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 119	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:12:00 - [14] - Quote Metacritic.com I don't see this happening across the board. and if he is a Dust fan, it's a shame because people are to see PSU and thinking "shameless pitching" From Neo gaf.. to the PS3 real mecca of N4g. You don't hear squat of Dust 514. why? cause it's a bad game? No. they just don't care about dust.
General Regret PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:23:00 - [15] - Quote Nice review and a good read; in terms of present and future for DUST 514, Lets get those knuckle heads at ccp to work out those kinks!
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 263	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:33:00 - [16] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: "Playstation Universe" reviewing a Playstation exclusive...definitely not a biased source.... What you're implying doesn't really happen, even on 'official' sites. The rare times some genuinely skullduggerous activity goes on in the gaming press, it's always just a massive publisher (indirectly) leaning on an editor to push a big game's agenda. This guy clearly just likes Dust, and CCP obviously spent all their brown envelope money on gin, which explains some of the more suspect development decisions.
Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 139	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:48:00 - [17] - Quote tbh id give dust a 7.5/10 because of bugs and unbalanced weapons
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 757	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:50:00 - [18] - Quote Playstation Universe. <- huge PS3 fanboi site Reviews supposedly huge game for PS3. The better question is, is that does this site ever give a review of a PS3 exclusive below a 7? Come on now. That review can't be taken seriously in the slightest. Its obvious bias
Byozuma Kegawa The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 46	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:51:00 - [19] - Quote Hate to break it to you Snaps but Playstation Undergrou-sorry, Universe is in Sony's pocket. Been in their pocket since the PS2 days when it was called Playstation Underground (to sound edgy). Had some nice demos, though, and the demo disks were sometimes entertaining with the menus.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 757	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:53:00 - [20] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: tbh id give dust a 7.5/10 because of bugs and unbalanced weapons Double post, but on a 1-10 scale with 5 being average, nothing special, at the moment DUST gets a 6. All the potential in the world is just promises; results are what counts. And the only things that excite me in DUST are whats to come, and thats kind of a problem

Icy TIG3R Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 154	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:54:00 - [21] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Metacritic.com I don't see this happening across the board. and if he is a Dust fan, it's a shame because people are to see PSU and thinking "shameless pitching" From Neo gaf.. to the PS3 real mecca of N4g. You don't hear squat of Dust 514. why? cause it's a bad game? No. they just don't care about dust. Oh you missed N4G in 2006-2009. Xbox trolls EVERYWHERE. The PS3 fans now reap the rewards.
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 264	Posted - 2013.05.21 02:56:00 - [22] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Hate to break it to you Snaps but Playstation Undergrou-sorry, Universe is in Sony's pocket. Been in their pocket since the PS2 days when it was called Playstation Underground (to sound edgy). Had some nice demos, though, and the demo disks were sometimes entertaining with the menus. Don't break it to me with internet conjecture, break it to me with a link to some kind of source that isn't just another guy on a forum saying the same thing. I know a lot of writers for these kinds of things, even for the official sites, and I can assure you Sony's pocket doesn't have two pieces of fluff to rub together for them. You can certainly accuse it of being staffed by what are essentially fanboys, but that's very different to throwing around lazy accusations of corruption.
Icy TIG3R Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 154	Posted - 2013.05.21 03:02:00 - [23] - Quote We're not saying the review is wrong. It's his opinion. However, in MY opinion, the massive problems Dust has are worht more than the removal of 1 point. I'dgo far as to say 2.5 or 3. Being Free isn't an excuse anymore when the quality of F2P games now surpasses some full priced games. DOTA, LoL, TF2, and potentially hundreds of PC F2P games have shown us this. Dust isn't bad. But it's got a lot of work in the technical department to go.
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 265	Posted - 2013.05.21 03:18:00 - [24] - Quote Icy TIG3R wrote: We're not saying the review is wrong. It's his opinion. However, in MY opinion, the massive problems Dust has are worht more than the removal of 1 point. I'dgo far as to say 2.5 or 3. Being Free isn't an excuse anymore when the quality of F2P games now surpasses some full priced games. DOTA, LoL, TF2, and potentially hundreds of PC F2P games have shown us this. Dust isn't bad. But it's got a lot of work in the technical department to go. I should probably point out I don't disagree. The review is a bit hyperbolic, the writing is average, and from the cold, objective viewpoint of the games press Dust can't be given more than a 7. That said, I don't see why reviews have to be about correctly guessing the Metacritic average in advance. There is nothing worse than a reviewer enjoying a game, then getting to the score part and saying "Well I had a great time, but due to [list of things they didn't personally experience] it is definitely a 6..." and ignoring how they personally felt. This happens ALL THE TIME, especially at the bigger sites and magazines, and it's absolutely ridiculous. If everyone did this, there wouldn't be a positive review of Dust on the internet, and nobody would know that when the stars align you can actually have a pretty good time with it. There is nothing wrong with reviewers putting their reputations on the line to make a point, but it doesn't happen much. One reason is people yelling about mythical payoffs and under the table deals the moment anyone breaks from the expected average.
Toolshed Mclean PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.05.21 09:26:00 - [25] - Quote Snaps Tremor wrote: I expected the reviews to be a wide spread. If you get it, you really get it. If you don't, you really don't. There are a few layers of frustrating bullshit to push through before you reach a broad understanding of the game, and many reviewers are not going to manage that in the week they have to review the game. This reviewer has been playing for months, has gotten over the obvious short-term issues, and sees the heart and potential of it. Now let's just hope he doesn't transcend to the next level of Dust, whining endlessly on the forums about nothing in particular. ^this guy gets it. a review of an MMO isn't something that can be easily justified. you can't approach a game like dust and give it a one off review. likewise you can't keep messing with the score everytime CCP make changes. as was stated above the editor gets what dust is about. he wasn't paid off or is being unscrupulous. he's spent time enough in Dust to thoroughly understand how the game works now and how it will function in future. like the game, this score is indicative of Dust 514 as a whole! reviews scores of 7-9 should be considered acceptable. any less and you're either too attached to the game and only see its flaws or you haven't spent enough time with it to see what its all about.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1747	Posted - 2013.05.21 09:56:00 - [26] - Quote Well at least he actually gets what dust is about, which is more than can be said for most other reviewers, he also got the point that AUR isn't pay to win, which is what some other reviewers said.
swillw PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:55:00 - [27] - Quote I'm the GM at PSU.com and I'm really happy to have Alex, who wrote the article, on our Content Team. He's been with DUST since day one and understands it more than most reviewers. It should be reviewed after every update to see how things are progressing. I agree that it's not the finished article, but it's a massive achievement already and what's coming makes a mockery of most FPSs. As for this... "Hate to break it to you Snaps but Playstation Undergrou-sorry, Universe is in Sony's pocket. Been in their pocket since the PS2 days when it was called Playstation Underground (to sound edgy). Had some nice demos, though, and the demo disks were sometimes entertaining with the menus. This couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, we weren't invited to the Gran Turismo launch event last week -- that's how much we're in Sony's pocket. We have little contact with Sony other than the fact they send us first-party games to review. It's also not a fanboy site. Many of us game on Xbox 360 and PC. I love Halo and Gears of War. We love games, great games. It just so happens that some of Sony's first-party games like Uncharted, GoW and DUST are great and deserve high scores.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4490	Posted - 2013.05.21 12:14:00 - [28] - Quote For those of you who are a bit unawares, PSU reporters have been playing Dust 514 for.... 3+ months now? (Possibly longer but they made me aware of it that time ago) Unlike most reviewers these guys are into it much more and knows what the long haul is. 9/10 I agree is too generous for the current game.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 95	Posted - 2013.05.21 13:26:00 - [29] - Quote Hey guys. This is my review. I have been playing DUST 514 since I got my code from PS Home during 2012's E3. I have been covering the game since aroundthat time too, albeit the NDA kind of restricted what I could write about. The review is, as all reviews are, just the the opinion of one person. It's not the be all end all of reviews for the game nor the absolute final verdict that all must accept. For this reason, no review should be taken in isolation but rather held against the spectrum of given reviews so that you can judge the general reception. When I thought about how to approach this review, I thought about whether the score should be based on the state of the game as of Uprising, or whether it should be based on what makes DUST 514 stand out as the unique project that it is. I decided to go with the latter because I wanted to write a review that would remain relevant and informative for sometime to come after the problems now are resolved. The foundational aspects of what makes DUST stand out from the crowd are aspects that have been there from the start or have been incorporated along the way; the persistence, skill training, dropsuit fitting flexibility, economic aspects, the EVE link etc etc. These things aren't fleeting, they are what makes the game that most here love. Bugs and issues are fleeting, and they are also part and parcel of an MMO in development. I'm sure that most of you aren't under the impression that the problems we have now will be the last...There will be on going balance issues, technical issues etc as CCP continues to enhance and grow the gameplay mechanics that we have now. Does that mean that writers should continually sheet all over the game when they review it? We have mechs and fighter jets coming somewhere down the line, and there is electronic warfare and new game modes that will probably come with their own issues and problems...and CCP will read the community here..and work on fixes. At the end of the day, I tried to show our readers the reason why all of us are here, why we stay here despite all that has happened, is happening, and will happen. Seriously...if it was the number I gave to the game that swayed a reader to go download the game...I probably failed the review. In any case, don't worry, those of you that are hungry for slamming reviews will get them, most likely from people who haven't played the game for close to a year, who haven't talked countless hours about it with friends and haven't watched it grow from a rough as hell E3 build to the beautiful, if not troubled Uprising. If anyone feels that getting DUST 514 after reading my review was a mistake, they are mor
Ludwig Van AssWhoopin lMPurity 64	Posted - 2013.05.21 13:35:00 - [30] - Quote I was wondering how CCP lost 300 dollars, looks like Play Station Universe found their moniezz.



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