DUST Search - VIDEO - DUST 514 - INSANE Planetary Conquest Battle

CCP Nullarbor wrote:

Snaps Tremor wrote:

Malkai Inos wrote:

CCP Nullarbor wrote:

This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week.

We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week.

I am genuinely curious as to what exacly is the cause of this. Devblog perhaps? Big smile

I imagine server location plays a part. With corp battles there was a tendency for (globally) local corps to play each other, and the battles were so sparse that general 'not fit for purpose' issues like this might have flown under the radar. Now, with PC, your corp's real world region is irrelevant, so there will be many more cases of Euro teams facing off against US teams, and a good few where multi-national corps field whoever they have at the time, leading to players from potentially the whole globe all descending on the same regional server. In this situation, how can it choose an optimal server for everyone?

Tritan is mostly US players and I'm in the UK, and the video reminds me of games I had back in Chromosome when I was dragged into a server that was a bad match for my location.

No the issue shown in this video is not server related, network latency or packet loss manifests itself in different ways. This is very clearly a client performance issue and we are working on some changes to fix it.

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CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 165	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:21:00 - [1] - Quote Wow what can i say about this PC battle? it was a true example of how this mechanic operates and was a testament to the game and CCP Linky----> DUST 514 - Planetary Conquest AT ITS FINEST - THANKS CCP FOR THIS FEATURE
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 93	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:24:00 - [2] - Quote Amazingly intense action. Breathtaking warfare. Must watch!
Melted Kitt3n Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:25:00 - [3] - Quote That was some bad ass teamwork. Nice plays.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 80	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:26:00 - [4] - Quote ** ** jesus is right.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1054	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:28:00 - [5] - Quote ......
Government CheeseBurger Planetary Response Organization 429	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:34:00 - [6] - Quote Close the gates. Initiate TiDi. There are 32 mercs in this system.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 459	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:37:00 - [7] - Quote AN EPIC BATTLE NOT IN SPACE BUT ON THE GROUND
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 453	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:38:00 - [8] - Quote I had these exact same framerate problems all the time in Codex, then I got a SSD drive and never experienced it again. Yes it is lame we have to buy new equipment just because of poor coding on CCP's part, but if you want to avoid the framerate problems, get a SSD drive and stick it in your PS3. However I am curious to know if anybody with SSD drives are getting these framerate problems too. Cause maybe that solution doesn't work anymore (does for me, but I could just be lucky).
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 80	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:38:00 - [9] - Quote I thought the laginess of PC was an exaggeration until I was trying to hack an objective last night and began teleporting all over the place like a drunk Nightcrawler. BAMF

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1286	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:38:00 - [10] - Quote This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week.


Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 459	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:43:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. Not that I'm actually expecting you to look back at this thread again, but on the off chance you do.... I'm curious about something. Do your guys actively test this game with stock devkits, or do you use SSD's as well? If you did use SSD's, it would explain quite a lot here.
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 94	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:45:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. I am genuinely curious as to what exacly is the cause of this. Devblog perhaps?
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 461	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:48:00 - [13] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. I am genuinely curious as to what exacly is the cause of this. Devblog perhaps? If I had to venture a guess its that in PC most teams are actually coordinated enough to the point that they are actually sending in all 32 players into a single engagement area and the game can't really handle it, especially when you get inside of a complex. In pubs, half the players are constantly running in random directions around the map like morons so the problem is less apparent.
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 478	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:50:00 - [14] - Quote I think they've truly distilled my gameplay experience with MAG's domination into its purest form.
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 179	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:51:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. Im glad to hear that Nullarbor. Restore our faith!
Zero Avis D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:52:00 - [16] - Quote Is that what it was like for all your guys. I know Effect and myself got D/Ced from the match but it was nothing like that I feel your pain sir. Maybe itn++ will be better for you guys tomorrow. SilentSam was recording the battle also.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 461	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:55:00 - [17] - Quote Turn down your resolution and clear some space off of your hard drive guys. It helps, trust me.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 793	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:56:00 - [18] - Quote I still get lag in that building during PC battles, even with a SSD. Not that bad, though.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1366	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:56:00 - [19] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. I am genuinely curious as to what exacly is the cause of this. Devblog perhaps? If I had to venture a guess its that in PC most teams are actually coordinated enough to the point that they are actually sending in all 32 players into a single engagement area and the game can't really handle it, especially when you get inside of a complex. In pubs, half the players are constantly running in random directions around the map like morons so the problem is less apparent. It's also common to see 10+ uplinks and 10+ Nanohives deployed, on each team. This adds another 40 dynamic objects that must be accounted for and rendered.
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1214	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:00:00 - [20] - Quote Now add jets and double the weapons! O.O CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. It's ok that's the point of beta testing your core features before release!

Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 261	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:02:00 - [21] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. I am genuinely curious as to what exacly is the cause of this. Devblog perhaps? I imagine server location plays a part. With corp battles there was a tendency for (globally) local corps to play each other, and the battles were so sparse that general 'not fit for purpose' issues like this might have flown under the radar. Now, with PC, your corp's real world region is irrelevant, so there will be many more cases of Euro teams facing off against US teams, and a good few where multi-national corps field whoever they have at the time, leading to players from potentially the whole globe all descending on the same regional server. In this situation, how can it choose an optimal server for everyone? Tritan is mostly US players and I'm in the UK, and the video reminds me of games I had back in Chromosome when I was dragged into a server that was a bad match for my location.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1295	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:05:00 - [22] - Quote Snaps Tremor wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. I am genuinely curious as to what exacly is the cause of this. Devblog perhaps? I imagine server location plays a part. With corp battles there was a tendency for (globally) local corps to play each other, and the battles were so sparse that general 'not fit for purpose' issues like this might have flown under the radar. Now, with PC, your corp's real world region is irrelevant, so there will be many more cases of Euro teams facing off against US teams, and a good few where multi-national corps field whoever they have at the time, leading to players from potentially the whole globe all descending on the same regional server. In this situation, how can it choose an optimal server for everyone? Tritan is mostly US players and I'm in the UK, and the video reminds me of games I had back in Chromosome when I was dragged into a server that was a bad match for my location. No the issue shown in this video is not server related, network latency or packet loss manifests itself in different ways. This is very clearly a client performance issue and we are working on some changes to fix it.

Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 261	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:08:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Snaps Tremor wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. I am genuinely curious as to what exacly is the cause of this. Devblog perhaps? I imagine server location plays a part. With corp battles there was a tendency for (globally) local corps to play each other, and the battles were so sparse that general 'not fit for purpose' issues like this might have flown under the radar. Now, with PC, your corp's real world region is irrelevant, so there will be many more cases of Euro teams facing off against US teams, and a good few where multi-national corps field whoever they have at the time, leading to players from potentially the whole globe all descending on the same regional server. In this situation, how can it choose an optimal server for everyone? Tritan is mostly US players and I'm in the UK, and the video reminds me of games I had back in Chromosome when I was dragged into a server that was a bad match for my location. No the issue shown in this video is not server related, network latency or packet loss manifests itself in different ways. This is very clearly a client performance issue and we are working on some changes to fix it. Well, that works too.
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1214	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:11:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Snaps Tremor wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: This is beyond awful and even worse that it is affecting people playing planetary conquest on the opening week. We have teams in multiple studios working on this right now, it is the number one priority for the people involved. Expect to see some more details about getting it fixed this week. I am genuinely curious as to what exacly is the cause of this. Devblog perhaps? I imagine server location plays a part. With corp battles there was a tendency for (globally) local corps to play each other, and the battles were so sparse that general 'not fit for purpose' issues like this might have flown under the radar. Now, with PC, your corp's real world region is irrelevant, so there will be many more cases of Euro teams facing off against US teams, and a good few where multi-national corps field whoever they have at the time, leading to players from potentially the whole globe all descending on the same regional server. In this situation, how can it choose an optimal server for everyone? Tritan is mostly US players and I'm in the UK, and the video reminds me of games I had back in Chromosome when I was dragged into a server that was a bad match for my location. No the issue shown in this video is not server related, network latency or packet loss manifests itself in different ways. This is very clearly a client performance issue and we are working on some changes to fix it. This is why people who don't make games should make long posts telling everyone how lag works. Thank you CCP Nullarbor for clearing this up for people. They just don't listen to non-devs tells them this.
bigolenuts KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 15	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:11:00 - [25] - Quote "No the issue shown in this video is not server related, network latency or packet loss manifests itself in different ways. This is very clearly a client performance issue and we are working on some changes to fix it." What I said.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1058	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:12:00 - [26] - Quote Yup, totally worth having the full release on May 14th...
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 67	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:15:00 - [27] - Quote I've had that problem on exact the same map. Did PC and i even think pyrex was in that one. Same map and when fighting was going on fps just dropped not to anything that low but still low enough for me to jag around with my aiming. Could somewhat still do something but wasn't anywhere near optimal. Sooo take out this map for now ?? but ok then we could remove all PC battle maps ....
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 160	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:22:00 - [28] - Quote Thank you OP we need more videos like this, to truly show what many of us go through on an everyday basis.. On one hand I hate to have newcomers see stuff like this but on the other hand so does CCP and videos like these should really encourage CCP to take precaution next build.. Especially when this one they stated "was designed to optimize our client"..
KaiJade Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:24:00 - [29] - Quote I had exactly the same framerate issues this weekend. Not sure if this helps or not, but: a) It started happening after I'd been playing for around 4 hours b) I was joining squads with voice each game c) I was exiting squads after each game (because no one was talking!) d) I quit the game and relaunched it (did not reboot the PS3) and the game was smooth again! e) I started seeing the problem in the Battle Academy f) The problem continued in the regular Battle Skirmishes after I graduated g) I have a Slim 160GB, stock hard drive Hope you can get it fixed! When it's running smooth, this game is a lot of fun!
Superluminal Replicant Planetary Response Organization 50	Posted - 2013.05.21 01:31:00 - [30] - Quote This looks like "Skyrim Syndrome" to me then if its a client issue. I've got a 1st generation PS3 (its very old) but I never had any frame rate issues on Skyrim, but most people did, it just seemed random if you got problems or not but it was obviously based on what PS3 model you had. I've played about 6 full PC matches and i've never had any frame rate or lag issues in a match, I dc once but that was my router playing up.



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