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Text Grant
Illuminati..
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:11:00 -
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I just waited behind a Madrugar until its shield hardeners went away then hit it with 5 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades before he got his blaster cannon on me and stopped me. Yes i had removed all his shields but this is a game killer. Anti vehicle grenades need to do their job. Lvl 1 tank or militia tank should blow without even needing a nanohive if i am running prototype AV. Request 1: speed. this build has made it much harder to maneuver. Request 2: nanohive fix. The new nanohives are barely worth carrying. i find myself running across the battlefield for ammo even though i carry nanohives. Request 3: remove buff to vehicles or add buff to AV to keep it balanced. At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1438
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:19:00 -
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Yeah, dem dropships are totally OP! Nerf! Nerf! Nerf! |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
62
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:20:00 -
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The guy built his tank well and it did the job: kept him alive well enough to fight you off. Why penalize a player who has spent a MASSIVE amount of SP just to make his tank effective against your AV's? Don't try to solo a tank, and don't be sad when you can't. Teamwork, its the thing. |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
6
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:21:00 -
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Not dropships. They didn't receive a buff to remove. And AV grenades shouldn't scare you. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
62
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:23:00 -
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Your claim that you 'need' proto av to take out a Militia Tank is just silly. They go down easily to militia/standard grade AV. Its as if you aren't really playing the game and just want your toy to be buffed to silly levels.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
21
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:25:00 -
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AV is still currently OP
I dont even have AV stuff and Iv killed countless tanks but grabbing the militia swarms, driving a free LAV into a tank and then shooting it once.
Please use better tactics. |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
6
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:28:00 -
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Nice. 3 tank drivers run up to defend their rolling god cannons. We should all just bow and let the tank gods rename to Tank 514. |
Taurion Bruni
Nightingale Logistics Pty Ltd
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:30:00 -
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it seems to me that you only hate the tanks, while they are absolutely brutal at times, that's because they put more time and money into it. it should not take only 10,000 isk suit to take out someones 2mill tank. that's the way it works |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:33:00 -
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I fly a pretty well tanked Dropship that will NOT go down to a single rocket launcher of any grade unless they are lucky or working as a team. Forge guns hurt the mess out of me, but even then I can move rather quickly because of how I built it. Should I be nerfed for building an efficient dropship? Said dropship costs me out of pocket about 1.5 million isk. Should free AV be able to god-mode on all vehicles, or should teams have to WORK TOGETHER to take me out? That seems better. One person with AV should not be able to rock every vehicle out there. My 2 cents. |
Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:33:00 -
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Dropships get lumped into the "Vehicles" conversation when people toss around the word OP, or when CCP does blanket nerfs.
But when vehicles get buffed, CCP goes "Hmm, lets count all our vehicles. See, we have LAVs, HAVs, ... Think that's about it!" |
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Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:33:00 -
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The problem is i build my suit to kill tanks, and LAV's. If it doesnt work then the AV grenades should just be removed from the game. I am built to kill them and put a majority of my sp into doing so. Im not hitting them with an AR. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:34:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Nice. 3 tank drivers run up to defend their rolling god cannons. We should all just bow and let the tank gods rename to Tank 514.
While I was a tank drive in chromo I am not anymore. I was also AV in chromo. AV is so overpowered its unfunny. There was one tank that I had a problem with in chromo and that was a redline sniping sagarius. Still took it out, just needed to recruit my other AV bro and a friend with miltia swarms.
Maybe spec into real AV instead of nades. Like I dont know? forgeguns or swarms? Since they hit like a truck and from a decent range.
quit QQing (god cant believe im using that phrase) AV is OP. |
Wojciak
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:36:00 -
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You kids should stop bickering.
I can solo tanks only when the tanks mess up or do not care enough to kill me. His clam that Proto Av should wipe the floor with Milt tanks is true, if that tank is mostly milt or stander gear. AV should always be a little op to Vehicles, Vehicles should be Op to infantry, and infantry should be op to AV. (rock, paper, scissors) |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:38:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:The problem is i build my suit to kill tanks, and LAV's. If it doesnt work then the AV grenades should just be removed from the game. I am built to kill them and put a majority of my sp into doing so. Im not hitting them with an AR.
Please, PLEASE tell me your suit loadout so I can laugh at you.
Is it adv (cause thats all you need) forgegun with AV nades? If so , then you're just bad or is it an ADV swarms with AV nades and proximity mines? thats all you need.
Maybe you're using the wrong type of AV vs the tank? If so switch tactics? |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:39:00 -
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Wojciak wrote:You kids should stop bickering.
I can solo tanks only when the tanks mess up or do not care enough to kill me. His clam that Proto Av should wipe the floor with Milt tanks is true, if that tank is mostly milt or stander gear. AV should always be a little op to Vehicles, Vehicles should be Op to infantry, and infantry should be op to AV. (rock, paper, scissors)
Interesting idea in theory, but still, free AV gear should NOT be able to push well-fit things away, and low grade AV should not be buffed to make it so. |
Starne
Planetary Response Organization
6
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:42:00 -
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hey dude. u know that ur talking about a tank right? you know some thing that is over 10 times the size of a heavey, cost *** tons of isk and skill points to make work and you want to kill it with a frag the size of your hand in 2 hits am i right? that **** dont even work in real life. now if you where to say that they should destory a tanks treds to keep it from running away i would say maybe. but to fully kill a tank with some thing that A is homing B dose more damage then a forge or most swarms and C can be throw so fast that u need a nano after 3 secs to get more is ******* dumb. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:49:00 -
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Starne wrote:hey dude. u know that ur talking about a tank right? you know some thing that is over 10 times the size of a heavey, cost *** tons of isk and skill points to make work and you want to kill it with a frag the size of your hand in 2 hits am i right? that **** dont even work in real life. now if you where to say that they should destory a tanks treds to keep it from running away i would say maybe. but to fully kill a tank with some thing that A is homing B dose more damage then a forge or most swarms and C can be throw so fast that u need a nano after 3 secs to get more is ******* dumb.
Starne, when insulting someone, try to spell correctly. It makes you look like a little child if you dont put effort into it. The biggest point here is the use of "u' instead of 'you'. Such a simple thing can go a long way.
Now, I'll be the first to admit I am not the best at spelling, but at least I try and put effort into it when insulting someone. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
65
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:50:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Starne wrote:hey dude. u know that ur talking about a tank right? you know some thing that is over 10 times the size of a heavey, cost *** tons of isk and skill points to make work and you want to kill it with a frag the size of your hand in 2 hits am i right? that **** dont even work in real life. now if you where to say that they should destory a tanks treds to keep it from running away i would say maybe. but to fully kill a tank with some thing that A is homing B dose more damage then a forge or most swarms and C can be throw so fast that u need a nano after 3 secs to get more is ******* dumb. Starne, when insulting someone, try to spell correctly. It makes you look like a little child if you dont put effort into it. The biggest point here is the use of "u' instead of 'you'. Such a simple thing can go a long way. Now, I'll be the first to admit I am not the best at spelling, but at least I try and put effort into it when insulting someone.
While his spelling is atrocious, his point is valid. Small SP/ISK cost item shouldn't be able to faceroll a tank solo. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:52:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Starne wrote:hey dude. u know that ur talking about a tank right? you know some thing that is over 10 times the size of a heavey, cost *** tons of isk and skill points to make work and you want to kill it with a frag the size of your hand in 2 hits am i right? that **** dont even work in real life. now if you where to say that they should destory a tanks treds to keep it from running away i would say maybe. but to fully kill a tank with some thing that A is homing B dose more damage then a forge or most swarms and C can be throw so fast that u need a nano after 3 secs to get more is ******* dumb. Starne, when insulting someone, try to spell correctly. It makes you look like a little child if you dont put effort into it. The biggest point here is the use of "u' instead of 'you'. Such a simple thing can go a long way. Now, I'll be the first to admit I am not the best at spelling, but at least I try and put effort into it when insulting someone. While his spelling is atrocious, his point is valid. Small SP/ISK cost item shouldn't be able to faceroll a tank solo.
I dont disagree, look at my posts in this thread. I just think he should use proper spelling if he wants to insult someone. But... I really dont expect better from someone who uses reddit. |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
65
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:53:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Starne wrote:hey dude. u know that ur talking about a tank right? you know some thing that is over 10 times the size of a heavey, cost *** tons of isk and skill points to make work and you want to kill it with a frag the size of your hand in 2 hits am i right? that **** dont even work in real life. now if you where to say that they should destory a tanks treds to keep it from running away i would say maybe. but to fully kill a tank with some thing that A is homing B dose more damage then a forge or most swarms and C can be throw so fast that u need a nano after 3 secs to get more is ******* dumb. Starne, when insulting someone, try to spell correctly. It makes you look like a little child if you dont put effort into it. The biggest point here is the use of "u' instead of 'you'. Such a simple thing can go a long way. Now, I'll be the first to admit I am not the best at spelling, but at least I try and put effort into it when insulting someone. While his spelling is atrocious, his point is valid. Small SP/ISK cost item shouldn't be able to faceroll a tank solo. I dont disagree, look at my posts in this thread. I just think he should use proper spelling if he wants to insult someone. But... I really dont expect better from someone who uses reddit.
Being condescending won't help your point get across any better. Just saying. |
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1047
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:54:00 -
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AV grenades are not a proper AV weapon. Spec into a light AV weapon or forge gun and HTFU. AV 'nades make you versatile but shouldn't replace an actual weapon. If you're complaining about why chucking them at a tank solo didn't kill it, it's a tank, you're not supposed to solo it. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:58:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Starne wrote:hey dude. u know that ur talking about a tank right? you know some thing that is over 10 times the size of a heavey, cost *** tons of isk and skill points to make work and you want to kill it with a frag the size of your hand in 2 hits am i right? that **** dont even work in real life. now if you where to say that they should destory a tanks treds to keep it from running away i would say maybe. but to fully kill a tank with some thing that A is homing B dose more damage then a forge or most swarms and C can be throw so fast that u need a nano after 3 secs to get more is ******* dumb. Starne, when insulting someone, try to spell correctly. It makes you look like a little child if you dont put effort into it. The biggest point here is the use of "u' instead of 'you'. Such a simple thing can go a long way. Now, I'll be the first to admit I am not the best at spelling, but at least I try and put effort into it when insulting someone. While his spelling is atrocious, his point is valid. Small SP/ISK cost item shouldn't be able to faceroll a tank solo. I dont disagree, look at my posts in this thread. I just think he should use proper spelling if he wants to insult someone. But... I really dont expect better from someone who uses reddit. Being condescending won't help your point get across any better. Just saying.
Insults garner peoples attentions better then kindness. At least they do on the internet, so I humbly disagree. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
862
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:01:00 -
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op is nonsensical. av is op right now and if you cant kill an armor tank with lai dais than you should stop going av and maybe try out sniping or something.
realize that nanohives were borken before, there was no need to spec into nanohives because militia gave you ammo for days. now you actually need to use a worthwhile hive. also, nade spamming was an issue, now its not.
you sound like those guys who complain because they cant solo tanks without dropping their ar.....oh wait.... |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:01:00 -
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The way everyone keeps saying that teamwork is required to take out militia tanks will only end in 32 tanks rolling across the field. ANTI VEHICLE weapons should do what they say. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:03:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:The way everyone keeps saying that teamwork is required to take out militia tanks will only end in 32 tanks rolling across the field. ANTI VEHICLE weapons should do what they say.
ANTI VEHICLE (see I can into capslock) DO WHAT THEY SAY
Stop being a scrub, want some help? Want to improve your fittings or tactics? Im sure MANY MANY people will be more than happy to help you. Heck, i'll help you if you want it. Stop trying to nerf crap thats currently underpowered or buff stuff that is currently overpowered. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
862
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:04:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:The way everyone keeps saying that teamwork is required to take out militia tanks will only end in 32 tanks rolling across the field. ANTI VEHICLE weapons should do what they say.
if you want to solo a tank, get a forge/swarm/plasma cannon. av nades should be a supplement to real av guys.
this is irrelevant tho because av nades trash tanks anyway. back to my original point, if you cant kill a militia tank with lai dais you forfeit your right to have any opinion on AV/Tank balance. |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:05:00 -
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Maybe it already is tank 514 |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
862
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:06:00 -
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at this point thread is simply troll thread, no longer care |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:07:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Maybe it already is AR514
fixed that for ya |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:09:00 -
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if it was AR 514 then at the end of the match tank drivers wouldnt be 30/0 |
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
862
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:11:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:if it was AR 514 then at the end of the match tank drivers wouldnt be 30/0
one last point....plenty of people in all kinds of fittings go 30/0. its called being good.
surprise! some people are good tank drivers! tanks are up, currently AR514. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:12:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:if it was AR 514 then at the end of the match tank drivers wouldnt be 30/0
If it wasnt AR514 90% of the userbase would be using other weapon.
That tank only went 30/0 because of incompetence by your team. |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:18:00 -
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If it was AR 514 then 90% of the people on the forums would be agreeing with me. Seeing that everyone is defending the tank gods though... |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:21:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:If it was AR 514 then 90% of the people on the forums would be agreeing with me. Seeing that everyone is defending the tank gods though...
No ones agreeing with you because AV is overpowered. Get it right.
I also have all day to argue if you want to go that route. |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:25:00 -
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Seeing as you think its overpowered i have a couple of questions for you. How much damage would you have AV do? and are you a tanker or an AV? |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
12
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:29:00 -
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in truth nothing should be invincible.
high level av grenades should not be able to 1 hit a militia lav.
in fact it should be possible to dodge av nades.
the av grenade damage should be halved while swarm is increased.
plasma cannon is great against shield although i feel it should get a larger blast radius and better damage against armor.
currently grenades go under a single skill.
they should be split apart like all the guns in this game required different skills to use them.
std gear should be most versatile and higher tiered gear should be the least versatile as they should have negative drawbacks to keep them from dominating over all other gear.
militia gear should always be considered crap gear. but should still be effective in the right areas.
and now i can tell u av is not under powered how else would a forge gun one shot my highly armored and tank with good shields.
i do have to say that the plasma cannon takes to much cpu to use and its cpu reqs should be lowered some.
any ways it shouldnt require an entire team to take out a vehicle unless they suck at av.
and most battles ive been in need better av users with effective anti infantry personal to guard them while they kill those annoying vehicles.
several av nades should not be able to obliterate any type of tank they are more of a concussion grenade designed to weaken a vehicle armor. not destroy.
thats what mines and remote explosives are for..
if im off topic for most of this then i have no clue what any1 here is trying to get at...
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:32:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Seeing as you think its overpowered i have a couple of questions for you. How much damage would you have AV do? and are you a tanker or an AV?
I would remove damage mods from the game and fix the way swarms work (turning at stupid angles). I would also give Dropships flares or chaff to counter swarms and beef up their shields/armour a bit. With the current changes to tanks I would also re introduce the cpu/pg skills they are currently missing. I would also remove militia AV and the free LAVs. Thats how I would go about fixing AV before looking at the numbers.
As I stated earlier in the thread, I ran both vehicles and AV in chromozone. I currently run neither but have zero issues taking out anything with militia gear if I get one other person to help me. |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:39:00 -
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have you played av or tank in uprising after the buff to total HP? |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
862
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:40:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:have you played av or tank in uprising after the buff to total HP?
you are showing your lack of information in this subject....there was a buff to base health while at the same time the 25% armor and shield buff skills were done away with. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
22
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:43:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:have you played av or tank in uprising after the buff to total HP?
No, yet I can still kill tanks, LAVs and dropships with militia gear and tactics solo, heck, I dont even need tactics if I have ONE OTHER PERSON with militia gear helping me.
I do on the other hand have tankers and AV players in my corp who agree with me through and through. One such forgegunner gets his jollies off on how easy it is to kill tanks and cackles like a mad man every time he does. |
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CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
147
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:48:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:I just waited behind a Madrugar until its shield hardeners went away then hit it with 5 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades before he got his blaster cannon on me and stopped me. Yes i had removed all his shields but this is a game killer. Anti vehicle grenades need to do their job. Lvl 1 tank or militia tank should blow without even needing a nanohive if i am running prototype AV. Request 1: speed. this build has made it much harder to maneuver. Request 2: nanohive fix. The new nanohives are barely worth carrying. i find myself running across the battlefield for ammo even though i carry nanohives. Request 3: remove buff to vehicles or add buff to AV to keep it balanced. At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank. ^thinks he should solo a tank; gets mad when a tank is well built and piloted well but says nothing when he meets a stupid tanker who can't pilot at all and gets soloed by mlt swarms. CCP, you've nerfed us enough. Don't do it again. The fact that some of us r still hard to kill is a testament to our skill. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
12
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:49:00 -
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i would just keep free militia lav and the militia av.
without fre lav how else would i be able to avoid sniper fire and move from point a to point b very quickly. |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:51:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Text Grant wrote:I just waited behind a Madrugar until its shield hardeners went away then hit it with 5 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades before he got his blaster cannon on me and stopped me. Yes i had removed all his shields but this is a game killer. Anti vehicle grenades need to do their job. Lvl 1 tank or militia tank should blow without even needing a nanohive if i am running prototype AV. Request 1: speed. this build has made it much harder to maneuver. Request 2: nanohive fix. The new nanohives are barely worth carrying. i find myself running across the battlefield for ammo even though i carry nanohives. Request 3: remove buff to vehicles or add buff to AV to keep it balanced. At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank. ^thinks he should solo a tank; gets mad when a tank is well built and piloted well but says nothing when he meets a stupid tanker who can't pilot at all and gets soloed by mlt swarms. CCP, you've nerfed us enough. Don't do it again. The fact that some of us r still hard to kill is a testament to our skill. there is no skill to driving into a group of red dots and not running away until you get hit by 3 proto grenades. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
23
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:52:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:i would just keep free militia lav and the militia av.
without fre lav how else would i be able to avoid sniper fire and move from point a to point b very quickly.
Spend a pityful amount of isk on a militia LAV. They're what? 55k isk? Thats nothing, and with the recall feature its not always wasted. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
23
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:56:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Text Grant wrote:I just waited behind a Madrugar until its shield hardeners went away then hit it with 5 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades before he got his blaster cannon on me and stopped me. Yes i had removed all his shields but this is a game killer. Anti vehicle grenades need to do their job. Lvl 1 tank or militia tank should blow without even needing a nanohive if i am running prototype AV. Request 1: speed. this build has made it much harder to maneuver. Request 2: nanohive fix. The new nanohives are barely worth carrying. i find myself running across the battlefield for ammo even though i carry nanohives. Request 3: remove buff to vehicles or add buff to AV to keep it balanced. At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank. ^thinks he should solo a tank; gets mad when a tank is well built and piloted well but says nothing when he meets a stupid tanker who can't pilot at all and gets soloed by mlt swarms. CCP, you've nerfed us enough. Don't do it again. The fact that some of us r still hard to kill is a testament to our skill. there is no skill to driving into a group of red dots and not running away until you get hit by 3 proto grenades.
You think its that easy to drive a tank? Im holding all I can back from calling you very rude names and getting myself banned on the forums because of your ignorance.
Try this, spec into a tank, use five active moduels, try have situational awareness while aiming down your turret and watching hills and your surroundings for AV users. TRY IT. You'll be back on the forums QQing right afterwards because you have no IDEA how much irl skill it takes to be a competent tank driver. Then, ontop of all this, try being that tank driver who isnt skilled into anything else in a corp (or now PC) battle. When you have to worry about a new set of issues. |
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek IT Infotech
17
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:03:00 -
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The OP must be trolling.
"At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank."
A whole two AV grenades?? That's outrageous! Quick nerf vehicles or he'll run out of isk from buying his super expensive AV nades and rage quit.
It takes me two or three good hits with an advanced large missile turret to kill a standard LAV and he wants to solo a tank with two nades? FFS. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2377
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:07:00 -
[47] - Quote
Mary Sedillo wrote:The guy built his tank well and it did the job: kept him alive well enough to fight you off. Why penalize a player who has spent a MASSIVE amount of SP just to make his tank effective against your AV's? Don't try to solo a tank, and don't be sad when you can't. Teamwork, its the thing.
Learn it. Live it. Love it. |
Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:The guy built his tank well and it did the job: kept him alive well enough to fight you off. Why penalize a player who has spent a MASSIVE amount of SP just to make his tank effective against your AV's? Don't try to solo a tank, and don't be sad when you can't. Teamwork, its the thing. Learn it. Live it. Love it. read before you speak please |
BOZ MR
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
148
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:21:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:[quote=Crazy Horse One Eight][quote=Crazy Horse One Eight]The OP must be trolling.
"At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank."
A whole two AV grenades?? That's outrageous! Quick nerf vehicles or he'll run out of isk from buying his super expensive AV nades and rage quit.
It takes me two or three good hits with an advanced large missile turret to kill a standard LAV and he wants to solo a tank with two nades? FFS.quote] read before you speak please Please stop writing. You make yourself seem more stup7d with every post you create. |
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek IT Infotech
17
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:22:00 -
[50] - Quote
Text Grant wrote:[quote=Crazy Horse One Eight][quote=Crazy Horse One Eight]The OP must be trolling.
"At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank."
A whole two AV grenades?? That's outrageous! Quick nerf vehicles or he'll run out of isk from buying his super expensive AV nades and rage quit.
It takes me two or three good hits with an advanced large missile turret to kill a standard LAV and he wants to solo a tank with two nades? FFS.quote] read before you speak please
So you meant two proto Av fit players?? Perhaps you should be more clear with how you write.
Hilarious really, I can solo most militia tanks with a standard forge gun if they stay in range long enough. I think you are doing it wrong. |
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Text Grant
Illuminati..
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:24:00 -
[51] - Quote
only heavies can carry forges. maybe forges are balanced but i dropped 5 proto packed grenades in it with no active boosters running |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
12
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:28:00 -
[52] - Quote
Mossellia Delt wrote:CLONE117 wrote:i would just keep free militia lav and the militia av.
without fre lav how else would i be able to avoid sniper fire and move from point a to point b very quickly. Spend a pityful amount of isk on a militia LAV. They're what? 55k isk? Thats nothing, and with the recall feature its not always wasted.
ha ha ha most people i know on this game are flat broke because of expensive sut fittings they complain if somethings costs 7 isk to restock.
free fittings are weak and they are a life savior.
srry but if im going to spend money on something i want it to get me kills not run around the field and do nothing.
plus recall is not effective... |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
27
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
BOZ MR wrote:Text Grant wrote:[quote=Crazy Horse One Eight][quote=Crazy Horse One Eight]The OP must be trolling.
"At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank."
A whole two AV grenades?? That's outrageous! Quick nerf vehicles or he'll run out of isk from buying his super expensive AV nades and rage quit.
It takes me two or three good hits with an advanced large missile turret to kill a standard LAV and he wants to solo a tank with two nades? FFS.quote] read before you speak please Please stop writing. You make yourself seem more stup7d with every post you create.
Im actually agreeing this this guy, that never happens. Something is about to go terribly wrong with the world.
Also apologies for purposelly team killing your tank back in chromo. |
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek IT Infotech
18
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:29:00 -
[54] - Quote
Text Grant wrote:only heavies can carry forges. maybe forges are balanced but i dropped 5 proto packed grenades in it with no active boosters running
Militia heavy suits are cheap as chips. I just use the skinweave. Cheap and nasty but it does the job. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
28
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
CLONE117 wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:CLONE117 wrote:i would just keep free militia lav and the militia av.
without fre lav how else would i be able to avoid sniper fire and move from point a to point b very quickly. Spend a pityful amount of isk on a militia LAV. They're what? 55k isk? Thats nothing, and with the recall feature its not always wasted. ha ha ha most people i know on this game are flat broke because of expensive sut fittings they complain if somethings costs 7 isk to restock. free fittings are weak and they are a life savior. srry but if im going to spend money on something i want it to get me kills not run around the field and do nothing. plus recall is not effective...
I might then ask your friends to get accountants. Im currently sitting at around 200 mil isk.... |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
12
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:32:00 -
[56] - Quote
and im at half that but verfey few players have that amount of money so its stupid of u to go off of how much money u have urself... |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
28
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
CLONE117 wrote:and im at half that but verfey few players have that amount of money so its stupid of u to go off of how much money u have urself...
You'd be suprised how many players have much more then myself. One logi in my corp is at around 800 mil mark. But he's a cheap bugger.
Please, please work on your spelling a little bit. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
12
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:37:00 -
[58] - Quote
i was in a hurry im getting ready for a corp battle.
nut still not many ppl have tons of isk to through around and this can be said for the broke noobs fresh from the battle academy... |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
28
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
CLONE117 wrote:i was in a hurry im getting ready for a corp battle.
nut still not many ppl have tons of isk to through around and this can be said for the broke noobs fresh from the battle academy...
The newberries should have the most money, using militia fits and not suicide crashing 10 - 15 dropships a game for the lulz |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
68
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:50:00 -
[60] - Quote
Starne, when insulting someone, try to spell correctly. It makes you look like a little child if you dont put effort into it. The biggest point here is the use of "u' instead of 'you'. Such a simple thing can go a long way.
Now, I'll be the first to admit I am not the best at spelling, but at least I try and put effort into it when insulting someone.[/quote]
While his spelling is atrocious, his point is valid. Small SP/ISK cost item shouldn't be able to faceroll a tank solo.[/quote]
I dont disagree, look at my posts in this thread. I just think he should use proper spelling if he wants to insult someone. But... I really dont expect better from someone who uses reddit.[/quote]
Insults garner peoples attentions better then kindness. At least they do on the internet, so I humbly disagree.[/quote]
Enough people putting their concerns forward in an organized way also garners attention. Stop feeding the stereotype that gamers are basement dwelling trolls who lack any ability to communicate effectively. Thank you. |
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CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
12
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:52:00 -
[61] - Quote
still removing free lavs is a bad idea.
if people want to spec into the lav let them but the only people who seem to want this vehicle removed are the ones who complain about getting run over by them.
and as ive seen it lessons the gap in pub matches and lessons pubstomping.
most players dont have a good counter to the tac ar or tank so the best solution to avoid horribly kdr is drive randomly around the map in a free vehicle and try to run people over.
besides those free lavs can be killed easily so no reason to complain about them.
and if u got ran over by 1 its ur own fault for running in the road they rnt really good at off road Terrain any m4 see how they flip over all the time now they are also alot harder to control. players dont have the isk or sp to spec into things so its easier to place sp into skills the increase militia gears effectiveness.
and last time i checked newppl dont start with 10m isk they start at 0 isk... |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
28
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:54:00 -
[62] - Quote
Mary Sedillo wrote: Starne, when insulting someone, try to spell correctly. It makes you look like a little child if you dont put effort into it. The biggest point here is the use of "u' instead of 'you'. Such a simple thing can go a long way.
Now, I'll be the first to admit I am not the best at spelling, but at least I try and put effort into it when insulting someone.
While his spelling is atrocious, his point is valid. Small SP/ISK cost item shouldn't be able to faceroll a tank solo.[/quote]
I dont disagree, look at my posts in this thread. I just think he should use proper spelling if he wants to insult someone. But... I really dont expect better from someone who uses reddit.[/quote]
Insults garner peoples attentions better then kindness. At least they do on the internet, so I humbly disagree.[/quote]
Enough people putting their concerns forward in an organized way also garners attention. Stop feeding the stereotype that gamers are basement dwelling trolls who lack any ability to communicate effectively. Thank you.[/quote]
>not being that stereotype >2013 >ISHYGDDT
I jest, I jest. but seriously, peaceful protests that try not to hurt peoples feelings dont work. Sometimes you need a riot or to be blunt with others. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
28
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:56:00 -
[63] - Quote
CLONE117 wrote:still removing free lavs is a bad idea.
if people want to spec into the lav let them but the only people who seem to want this vehicle removed are the ones who complain about getting run over by them.
and as ive seen it lessons the gap in pub matches and lessons pubstomping.
most players dont have a good counter to the tac ar or tank so the best solution to avoid horribly kdr is drive randomly around the map in a free vehicle and try to run people over.
besides those free lavs can be killed easily so no reason to complain about them.
and if u got ran over by 1 its ur own fault for running in the road they rnt really good at off road Terrain any m4 see how they flip over all the time now they are also alot harder to control. players dont have the isk or sp to spec into things so its easier to place sp into skills the increase militia gears effectiveness.
and last time i checked newppl dont start with 10m isk they start at 0 isk...
But they actually do start with isk. Im not saying remove the militia LAV, just the free one. My heavy alt wont be happy but it'll keep balance in the game. |
Farsund Solheim
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
10
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:59:00 -
[64] - Quote
Maybe this Madruger you came up against had all proto modules? in this case, his proto should trump your proto. Maybe hit detection was buggy? it's taken me 3 packed grenades to kill a single abandoned militia LAV before due to this very reason (was only issuing splash damage, not direct). Maybe there was a small lag spike during this time, and your hits didnt register. I've had this happen on both my tank pilot and AV character before.
Tank pilot: Heard someone drop a nanohive behind me, gunned it in reverse, just to see a guy standing there doing nothing, i shot him with my railgun and killed him. got a message after battle being all like "WTF?! just hit you with 5 av grenades and you took no damage, and you 1 shotted me with splash damage!" (his message was a lot friendlier than that made it seem).
My AV character: I am in cover, a tank is rolling my way, i jump out of cover, look up to throw my grenade in an arc towards the tank... it literally falls at me feet. I throw another, does the same thing. Throw my third (and last), flies true and hits the tank... and does maybe 1/10th damage to shields. It was a packed AV 'nade. So, you know, **** happens buddy. get over it. Clearly your proto nades have worked for you in the past, or you would have stopped using them and/or complained about them sooner. Stop getting your panties in a bunch, and crying for a nerf over one bad incident.
BTW, as someone who has 10 million sp in 2 characters, one a tank pilot, the other a dedicated AV, i can honestly say that AV damage and vehicle health are about where they need to be. Dropships still need some serious love, and we need our PG upgrades back, but all else is gravy. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
13
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:00:00 -
[65] - Quote
the free militia lav should stay as there are other free lavs my perfect example is the bpo lavs that can be bought for aurum...
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Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
28
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:03:00 -
[66] - Quote
my thoughts? I think the Militia LAV BPO that we get now should just be an x20 run, it sucks for all of us, but it prevents situations such as calling in an free LAV and ramming it into an enemy 2mil ISK HAV over and over until it explodes. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
13
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:10:00 -
[67] - Quote
running lav into hav is a good tactic as it kills most of the shields and allows the player to finish off the tanks with av grenades and swarms....
its a great way for players to dispose of team wrecking tanks when said team has no proper av unit.
my suggestion for u to avoid this tactic.
stop sniping with tanks.
and add some shield boosters and armor repairers on your tank... |
SGT NOVA STAR
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
55
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:25:00 -
[68] - Quote
OP is lying out his ass. a madrugar with shield hardeners? and because you took out his 1k shields your satisfied? but when you hit a brick wall with his armor its game breaking? any shield tank that has faced a well fitted madrugar knows what that "brick wall" effect is. your complaining that you cant kill everything you want with 3 little grenades, get an actual weapon and stop QQing!!!!!!! |
CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
153
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
Text Grant wrote:Maybe it already is tank 514
HAHAHAHAHA! You have got to be the worst player Ive ever met, then. 3 AV nades will kill just about any tank. One good AV guy can pin down every vehicle on the other team. Ive seen it done. |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations
28
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:47:00 -
[70] - Quote
CLONE117 wrote:running lav into hav is a good tactic as it kills most of the shields and allows the player to finish off the tanks with av grenades and swarms....
its a great way for players to dispose of team wrecking tanks when said team has no proper av unit.
my suggestion for u to avoid this tactic.
stop sniping with tanks.
and add some shield boosters and armor repairers on your tank...
Oh it's a brilliant idea, but you shouldn't be able to do it for free |
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Drex Vizla
Planetary Response Organisation
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:52:00 -
[71] - Quote
Skihids wrote:Yeah, dem dropships are totally OP! Nerf! Nerf! Nerf!
.... Wrong
Mary Sedillo wrote:The guy built his tank well and it did the job: kept him alive well enough to fight you off. Why penalize a player who has spent a MASSIVE amount of SP just to make his tank effective against your AV's? Don't try to solo a tank, and don't be sad when you can't. Teamwork, its the thing.
RIGHT |
Rachoi
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
54
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:56:00 -
[72] - Quote
sigh.. to the person in the OP.
he built his tank damned well, and was probably expecting a pile of people like you to throw AV at, and expected the worst.
you are not supposed to be able to drop a tank alone, unless using something like a Forge Gun. or atleast advanced Swarm laucher.
decent tanks are hard to come by, so when you find one you cry for a nerf? tanks have already taken a hard hit. i like to hunt tanks, but when i can blow them up with my mass driver i feel something is.. wrong |
ProudHowitzer
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
11
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:23:00 -
[73] - Quote
BS there OP this guy must have had massive SP and well built tank...good for him FCK the overused and easy to get AV stuff. DO NOT NERF THEM ANYMORE CCP!!! |
Mary Sedillo
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
68
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:32:00 -
[74] - Quote
Peaceful protests work better than violence. While I abhor Gandhi himself, his idea of peaceful protest helped in Indian independence, as well as helping forward the Civil Rights movements.
As for my quoting, I cannot quote more than 5 at the same time. I apologize.
Have a nice day folks. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:40:00 -
[75] - Quote
CharCharOdell wrote:Text Grant wrote:Maybe it already is tank 514 HAHAHAHAHA! You have got to be the worst player Ive ever met, then. 3 AV nades will kill just about any tank. One good AV guy can pin down every vehicle on the other team. Ive seen it done.
one should not be able to solo kill a tank, you poor man, you've been running into not good tanks |
CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
154
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:19:00 -
[76] - Quote
CLONE117 wrote:still removing free lavs is a bad idea.
if people want to spec into the lav let them but the only people who seem to want this vehicle removed are the ones who complain about getting run over by them.
and as ive seen it lessons the gap in pub matches and lessons pubstomping.
most players dont have a good counter to the tac ar or tank so the best solution to avoid horribly kdr is drive randomly around the map in a free vehicle and try to run people over.
besides those free lavs can be killed easily so no reason to complain about them.
and if u got ran over by 1 its ur own fault for running in the road they rnt really good at off road Terrain any m4 see how they flip over all the time now they are also alot harder to control. players dont have the isk or sp to spec into things so its easier to place sp into skills the increase militia gears effectiveness.
and last time i checked newppl dont start with 10m isk they start at 0 isk...
yup |
Mortedeamor
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
64
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:48:00 -
[77] - Quote
im not even gunna read anything more than the title i only wanted to say this lmao scrubs xD |
WR3CK HAVOC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
25
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Posted - 2013.05.21 02:24:00 -
[78] - Quote
Tanks should have their armour lowered. |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
52
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Posted - 2013.05.21 03:18:00 -
[79] - Quote
I smell tears from someone who can't kill a tank with a couple of AV nades haha |
CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
154
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Posted - 2013.05.21 04:13:00 -
[80] - Quote
WR3CK HAVOC wrote:Tanks should have their armour lowered.
They already did. You want it again? |
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