DUST Search - Vehicles are OP

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CharCharOdell wrote:

Text Grant wrote:

I just waited behind a Madrugar until its shield hardeners went away then hit it with 5 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades before he got his blaster cannon on me and stopped me. Yes i had removed all his shields but this is a game killer. Anti vehicle grenades need to do their job. Lvl 1 tank or militia tank should blow without even needing a nanohive if i am running prototype AV. Request 1: speed. this build has made it much harder to maneuver.
Request 2: nanohive fix. The new nanohives are barely worth carrying. i find myself running across the battlefield for ammo even though i carry nanohives.
Request 3: remove buff to vehicles or add buff to AV to keep it balanced. At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank.

^thinks he should solo a tank; gets mad when a tank is well built and piloted well but says nothing when he meets a stupid tanker who can't pilot at all and gets soloed by mlt swarms. CCP, you've nerfed us enough. Don't do it again. The fact that some of us r still hard to kill is a testament to our skill.

there is no skill to driving into a group of red dots and not running away until you get hit by 3 proto grenades.

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Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 862	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:11:00 - [31] - Quote Text Grant wrote: if it was AR 514 then at the end of the match tank drivers wouldnt be 30/0 one last point....plenty of people in all kinds of fittings go 30/0. its called being good. surprise! some people are good tank drivers! tanks are up, currently AR514.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 22	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:12:00 - [32] - Quote Text Grant wrote: if it was AR 514 then at the end of the match tank drivers wouldnt be 30/0 If it wasnt AR514 90% of the userbase would be using other weapon. That tank only went 30/0 because of incompetence by your team.
Text Grant Illuminati.. 7	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:18:00 - [33] - Quote If it was AR 514 then 90% of the people on the forums would be agreeing with me. Seeing that everyone is defending the tank gods though...
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 22	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:21:00 - [34] - Quote Text Grant wrote: If it was AR 514 then 90% of the people on the forums would be agreeing with me. Seeing that everyone is defending the tank gods though... No ones agreeing with you because AV is overpowered. Get it right. I also have all day to argue if you want to go that route.
Text Grant Illuminati.. 7	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:25:00 - [35] - Quote Seeing as you think its overpowered i have a couple of questions for you. How much damage would you have AV do? and are you a tanker or an AV?
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 12	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:29:00 - [36] - Quote ... in truth nothing should be invincible. high level av grenades should not be able to 1 hit a militia lav. in fact it should be possible to dodge av nades. the av grenade damage should be halved while swarm is increased. plasma cannon is great against shield although i feel it should get a larger blast radius and better damage against armor. currently grenades go under a single skill. they should be split apart like all the guns in this game required different skills to use them. std gear should be most versatile and higher tiered gear should be the least versatile as they should have negative drawbacks to keep them from dominating over all other gear. militia gear should always be considered crap gear. but should still be effective in the right areas. and now i can tell u av is not under powered how else would a forge gun one shot my highly armored and tank with good shields. i do have to say that the plasma cannon takes to much cpu to use and its cpu reqs should be lowered some. any ways it shouldnt require an entire team to take out a vehicle unless they suck at av. and most battles ive been in need better av users with effective anti infantry personal to guard them while they kill those annoying vehicles. several av nades should not be able to obliterate any type of tank they are more of a concussion grenade designed to weaken a vehicle armor. not destroy. thats what mines and remote explosives are for.. if im off topic for most of this then i have no clue what any1 here is trying to get at...
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 22	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:32:00 - [37] - Quote Text Grant wrote: Seeing as you think its overpowered i have a couple of questions for you. How much damage would you have AV do? and are you a tanker or an AV? I would remove damage mods from the game and fix the way swarms work (turning at stupid angles). I would also give Dropships flares or chaff to counter swarms and beef up their shields/armour a bit. With the current changes to tanks I would also re introduce the cpu/pg skills they are currently missing. I would also remove militia AV and the free LAVs. Thats how I would go about fixing AV before looking at the numbers. As I stated earlier in the thread, I ran both vehicles and AV in chromozone. I currently run neither but have zero issues taking out anything with militia gear if I get one other person to help me.
Text Grant Illuminati.. 7	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:39:00 - [38] - Quote have you played av or tank in uprising after the buff to total HP?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 862	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:40:00 - [39] - Quote Text Grant wrote: have you played av or tank in uprising after the buff to total HP? you are showing your lack of information in this subject....there was a buff to base health while at the same time the 25% armor and shield buff skills were done away with.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 22	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:43:00 - [40] - Quote Text Grant wrote: have you played av or tank in uprising after the buff to total HP? No, yet I can still kill tanks, LAVs and dropships with militia gear and tactics solo, heck, I dont even need tactics if I have ONE OTHER PERSON with militia gear helping me. I do on the other hand have tankers and AV players in my corp who agree with me through and through. One such forgegunner gets his jollies off on how easy it is to kill tanks and cackles like a mad man every time he does.

CharCharOdell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 147	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:48:00 - [41] - Quote Text Grant wrote: I just waited behind a Madrugar until its shield hardeners went away then hit it with 5 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades before he got his blaster cannon on me and stopped me. Yes i had removed all his shields but this is a game killer. Anti vehicle grenades need to do their job. Lvl 1 tank or militia tank should blow without even needing a nanohive if i am running prototype AV. Request 1: speed. this build has made it much harder to maneuver. Request 2: nanohive fix. The new nanohives are barely worth carrying. i find myself running across the battlefield for ammo even though i carry nanohives. Request 3: remove buff to vehicles or add buff to AV to keep it balanced. At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank. ^thinks he should solo a tank; gets mad when a tank is well built and piloted well but says nothing when he meets a stupid tanker who can't pilot at all and gets soloed by mlt swarms. CCP, you've nerfed us enough. Don't do it again. The fact that some of us r still hard to kill is a testament to our skill.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 12	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:49:00 - [42] - Quote i would just keep free militia lav and the militia av. without fre lav how else would i be able to avoid sniper fire and move from point a to point b very quickly.
Text Grant Illuminati.. 7	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:51:00 - [43] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Text Grant wrote: I just waited behind a Madrugar until its shield hardeners went away then hit it with 5 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades before he got his blaster cannon on me and stopped me. Yes i had removed all his shields but this is a game killer. Anti vehicle grenades need to do their job. Lvl 1 tank or militia tank should blow without even needing a nanohive if i am running prototype AV. Request 1: speed. this build has made it much harder to maneuver. Request 2: nanohive fix. The new nanohives are barely worth carrying. i find myself running across the battlefield for ammo even though i carry nanohives. Request 3: remove buff to vehicles or add buff to AV to keep it balanced. At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank. ^thinks he should solo a tank; gets mad when a tank is well built and piloted well but says nothing when he meets a stupid tanker who can't pilot at all and gets soloed by mlt swarms. CCP, you've nerfed us enough. Don't do it again. The fact that some of us r still hard to kill is a testament to our skill. there is no skill to driving into a group of red dots and not running away until you get hit by 3 proto grenades.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 23	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:52:00 - [44] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: i would just keep free militia lav and the militia av. without fre lav how else would i be able to avoid sniper fire and move from point a to point b very quickly. Spend a pityful amount of isk on a militia LAV. They're what? 55k isk? Thats nothing, and with the recall feature its not always wasted.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 23	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:56:00 - [45] - Quote Text Grant wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Text Grant wrote: I just waited behind a Madrugar until its shield hardeners went away then hit it with 5 Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades before he got his blaster cannon on me and stopped me. Yes i had removed all his shields but this is a game killer. Anti vehicle grenades need to do their job. Lvl 1 tank or militia tank should blow without even needing a nanohive if i am running prototype AV. Request 1: speed. this build has made it much harder to maneuver. Request 2: nanohive fix. The new nanohives are barely worth carrying. i find myself running across the battlefield for ammo even though i carry nanohives. Request 3: remove buff to vehicles or add buff to AV to keep it balanced. At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank. ^thinks he should solo a tank; gets mad when a tank is well built and piloted well but says nothing when he meets a stupid tanker who can't pilot at all and gets soloed by mlt swarms. CCP, you've nerfed us enough. Don't do it again. The fact that some of us r still hard to kill is a testament to our skill. there is no skill to driving into a group of red dots and not running away until you get hit by 3 proto grenades. You think its that easy to drive a tank? Im holding all I can back from calling you very rude names and getting myself banned on the forums because of your ignorance. Try this, spec into a tank, use five active moduels, try have situational awareness while aiming down your turret and watching hills and your surroundings for AV users. TRY IT. You'll be back on the forums QQing right afterwards because you have no IDEA how much irl skill it takes to be a competent tank driver. Then, ontop of all this, try being that tank driver who isnt skilled into anything else in a corp (or now PC) battle. When you have to worry about a new set of issues.
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek IT Infotech 17	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:03:00 - [46] - Quote The OP must be trolling. "At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank." A whole two AV grenades?? That's outrageous! Quick nerf vehicles or he'll run out of isk from buying his super expensive AV nades and rage quit. It takes me two or three good hits with an advanced large missile turret to kill a standard LAV and he wants to solo a tank with two nades? FFS.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2377	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:07:00 - [47] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: The guy built his tank well and it did the job: kept him alive well enough to fight you off. Why penalize a player who has spent a MASSIVE amount of SP just to make his tank effective against your AV's? Don't try to solo a tank, and don't be sad when you can't. Teamwork, its the thing. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
Text Grant Illuminati.. 7	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:08:00 - [48] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: The guy built his tank well and it did the job: kept him alive well enough to fight you off. Why penalize a player who has spent a MASSIVE amount of SP just to make his tank effective against your AV's? Don't try to solo a tank, and don't be sad when you can't. Teamwork, its the thing. Learn it. Live it. Love it. read before you speak please
BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 148	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:21:00 - [49] - Quote Text Grant wrote: [quote=Crazy Horse One Eight][quote=Crazy Horse One Eight]The OP must be trolling. "At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank." A whole two AV grenades?? That's outrageous! Quick nerf vehicles or he'll run out of isk from buying his super expensive AV nades and rage quit. It takes me two or three good hits with an advanced large missile turret to kill a standard LAV and he wants to solo a tank with two nades? FFS.quote] read before you speak please Please stop writing. You make yourself seem more stup7d with every post you create.
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek IT Infotech 17	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:22:00 - [50] - Quote Text Grant wrote: [quote=Crazy Horse One Eight][quote=Crazy Horse One Eight]The OP must be trolling. "At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank." A whole two AV grenades?? That's outrageous! Quick nerf vehicles or he'll run out of isk from buying his super expensive AV nades and rage quit. It takes me two or three good hits with an advanced large missile turret to kill a standard LAV and he wants to solo a tank with two nades? FFS.quote] read before you speak please So you meant two proto Av fit players?? Perhaps you should be more clear with how you write. Hilarious really, I can solo most militia tanks with a standard forge gun if they stay in range long enough. I think you are doing it wrong.

Text Grant Illuminati.. 7	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:24:00 - [51] - Quote only heavies can carry forges. maybe forges are balanced but i dropped 5 proto packed grenades in it with no active boosters running
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 12	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:28:00 - [52] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: CLONE117 wrote: i would just keep free militia lav and the militia av. without fre lav how else would i be able to avoid sniper fire and move from point a to point b very quickly. Spend a pityful amount of isk on a militia LAV. They're what? 55k isk? Thats nothing, and with the recall feature its not always wasted. ha ha ha most people i know on this game are flat broke because of expensive sut fittings they complain if somethings costs 7 isk to restock. free fittings are weak and they are a life savior. srry but if im going to spend money on something i want it to get me kills not run around the field and do nothing. plus recall is not effective...
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 27	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:28:00 - [53] - Quote BOZ MR wrote: Text Grant wrote: [quote=Crazy Horse One Eight][quote=Crazy Horse One Eight]The OP must be trolling. "At the current state you need 2 proto AV's to take out 1 militia tank." A whole two AV grenades?? That's outrageous! Quick nerf vehicles or he'll run out of isk from buying his super expensive AV nades and rage quit. It takes me two or three good hits with an advanced large missile turret to kill a standard LAV and he wants to solo a tank with two nades? FFS.quote] read before you speak please Please stop writing. You make yourself seem more stup7d with every post you create. Im actually agreeing this this guy, that never happens. Something is about to go terribly wrong with the world. Also apologies for purposelly team killing your tank back in chromo.
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek IT Infotech 18	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:29:00 - [54] - Quote Text Grant wrote: only heavies can carry forges. maybe forges are balanced but i dropped 5 proto packed grenades in it with no active boosters running Militia heavy suits are cheap as chips. I just use the skinweave. Cheap and nasty but it does the job.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 28	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:30:00 - [55] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: CLONE117 wrote: i would just keep free militia lav and the militia av. without fre lav how else would i be able to avoid sniper fire and move from point a to point b very quickly. Spend a pityful amount of isk on a militia LAV. They're what? 55k isk? Thats nothing, and with the recall feature its not always wasted. ha ha ha most people i know on this game are flat broke because of expensive sut fittings they complain if somethings costs 7 isk to restock. free fittings are weak and they are a life savior. srry but if im going to spend money on something i want it to get me kills not run around the field and do nothing. plus recall is not effective... I might then ask your friends to get accountants. Im currently sitting at around 200 mil isk....
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 12	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:32:00 - [56] - Quote and im at half that but verfey few players have that amount of money so its stupid of u to go off of how much money u have urself...
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 28	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:35:00 - [57] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: and im at half that but verfey few players have that amount of money so its stupid of u to go off of how much money u have urself... You'd be suprised how many players have much more then myself. One logi in my corp is at around 800 mil mark. But he's a cheap bugger. Please, please work on your spelling a little bit.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 12	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:37:00 - [58] - Quote i was in a hurry im getting ready for a corp battle. nut still not many ppl have tons of isk to through around and this can be said for the broke noobs fresh from the battle academy...
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 28	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:39:00 - [59] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: i was in a hurry im getting ready for a corp battle. nut still not many ppl have tons of isk to through around and this can be said for the broke noobs fresh from the battle academy... The newberries should have the most money, using militia fits and not suicide crashing 10 - 15 dropships a game for the lulz
Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 68	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:50:00 - [60] - Quote Starne, when insulting someone, try to spell correctly. It makes you look like a little child if you dont put effort into it. The biggest point here is the use of "u' instead of 'you'. Such a simple thing can go a long way. Now, I'll be the first to admit I am not the best at spelling, but at least I try and put effort into it when insulting someone.[/quote] While his spelling is atrocious, his point is valid. Small SP/ISK cost item shouldn't be able to faceroll a tank solo.[/quote] I dont disagree, look at my posts in this thread. I just think he should use proper spelling if he wants to insult someone. But... I really dont expect better from someone who uses reddit.[/quote] Insults garner peoples attentions better then kindness. At least they do on the internet, so I humbly disagree.[/quote] Enough people putting their concerns forward in an organized way also garners attention. Stop feeding the stereotype that gamers are basement dwelling trolls who lack any ability to communicate effectively. Thank you.



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