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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:47:00 -
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Applause and congratulations to Jenza for stirring up so much hatred on the forums. Great job, keep up the good work. Its time people stop being sad little carebear pandas and start hardening up. Thanks for teaching people a lesson.
However, on to the request. Since the awesomeness that is AWOXING was introduced and so much hatred has been stirred up against Jenza. I feel we should instead honor her with an in game item or achievement named after her. Maybe when someone TKs someone else in PC then it should show the weapon and a little J over it in the top right. Yes I know that is to much, but maybe instead add an ad on the Merc Quarters TV that says
"Tired of your so-called friends? Shoot them in the face and Defect!" - Jenza
However to everyone else.. Just split your corp, invite people who are trusted to the main corp. its not hard especially since you can have alliances and alliance channels so everyone can be in the same channel and talk. And AWOXING isn't that big a deal. It cost you like 80 million, thats chump change and you can turn it around within like 48 hours. Boo hoo. AWOXING has been around in EVE alot longer and corporate piracy has cost billions upon billions of ISK.
HTFU Dust Bunnies |

jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1408
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:53:00 -
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Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? |

Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
123
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:55:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. |

steadyhand amarr
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
560
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:57:00 -
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Must admit the fourm qq has been so good even the imps got jellous :-P not looking forward to that reprisal lol |

jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1408
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:57:00 -
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Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. 66% success rate so far!
we lost a few of our saboteurs in the hellstorm match to the loading bug |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
364
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:58:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing?
Lol, sounds good to me.
Definately nice try on that Jenzaing of Hellstorm. I think the mass please remove Jenza from CPM, OMG Jenzaing, Fail threads are totally worth any price in ISK in game. If you guys need some funding to keep up the good work, let me know. I don't care if you succeed or not, this QQ mania in the forms is worth its weight in gold. |

Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:58:00 -
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Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. I'm late to the story, let me get this straight, Jenza joined a match on the opposing side of a PC battle vs. her corp Beta Max, proceeded to team kill and suicide to help Beta Max win...and Beta Max still lost...?
Classy and Classic
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
324
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:58:00 -
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Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing.
Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success.  |

Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
125
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:02:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success.  A rather lame attempt to defend them failing at a rather lame tactic. Well, betamax can't awox, but they can definitely Jenza! :)
Also, @ Delta Force as a whole: Looking forward to seeing more of you on the battlefield :) At least you guys put up a decent fight. |

SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:04:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success.  LOL Oh boy. CPM says AWOXing isn't meant for victory.
No wonder everybody wants you guys removed - you don't even know how to play the game to win. 
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Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
125
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:06:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Must admit the fourm qq has been so good even the imps got jellous :-P not looking forward to that reprisal lol Repent, Imperfect! The end is nigh! |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
367
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:06:00 -
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*Sits quietly eating popcorn while wearing my 3D Glasses, feet on top of the seat ahead of me. Big stupid grin on my face.*

"Worth its weight in gold" |

Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
30
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:07:00 -
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Jenzaing just doesn't sound right. How about "Ninjenza maneuver"? |

steadyhand amarr
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
560
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:07:00 -
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Thr imps are just pissed they didn't think of it first they get all moody when the spotlight is taken away from them :-P |

steadyhand amarr
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
561
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:11:00 -
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Freshticles wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Must admit the fourm qq has been so good even the imps got jellous :-P not looking forward to that reprisal lol Repent, Imperfect! The end is nigh! You have been saying that for so long its lost all meaning :-P:-P.
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:11:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Jenzaing just doesn't sound right. How about "Ninjenza maneuver"? Nin-jenz-tsu? Lol
I don't think ninjas would develop a suicide technique that never wins though. 
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Mortedeamor
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
59
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:11:00 -
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Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. thats what it sounded like to me 2 nice to see you stopped tanking and picked your nova knives back up against us jenza. did tanking now work out? gasps |

SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:12:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Thr imps are just pissed they didn't think of it first they get all moody when the spotlight is taken away from them :-P We are pretty jelly.
We used to be the hated ones around here - Jenza stole that from us.
Oh well :( |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
369
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:19:00 -
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More drama please. I still have some Milk Duds left.
I'm pretty sure that CCP thinks that Jenza is awesome and this Jenzaing is really funny. They think Awoxing in EVE is pretty funny also. They are laughing at you. |

Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy
993
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:22:00 -
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Since we clearly have some EVE players in here I'd like to reissue my challenge within this thread
Cross Atu wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120625 Diffrence being in EVE (as opposed to Dust) there are actual player tools for both screening/application and internal access control once accepted. With those in place (as they are in EVE) situations like this become a part of the game and the responsibility for the Corp to secure their own assets. Lacking those tools as is the current state within D514 it's just a broken mechanic PR mess waiting to happen and denigrate the sandbox. If any of my fellow EVE players believe this reasoning to be in error I present to you a simple test to prove me wrong. Manage your EVE Corp/Alliance without the use of the aforementioned in game tools. Step 1 ~ Remove an and all use of API in any form. Step 2 ~ Cease to check employment histories any further back than a couple of months Step 3 ~ Set all access to public and give all Corp and Alliance members roles that with only two limitations, first they cannot use the Corp wallet and second they cannot accept applications. Step 4 ~ Keep a stash of PLEX on hand so that anyone from anywhere can create a new (non-trial) account without the investment of money, and essentially do so without limit. With these steps in place please move to Null, or at least Low and start the clock on your Alliance. If it lasts the year under these conditions I will applaud your abilities and reconsider my stance (oh but having a 2 man Corp or 12 man Alliance who's not recruiting at all is a complete cop out). For those choosing to participate please contact me in game with full API information for your Toons, Corps, and Alliance so that I am able to verify the required steps have actually been taken and maintained. If I get any takers I will be dumbfounded  ~Cross
If you want to collect tears by all means have at it but reveling in 'pulling an A Harm' isn't proving much and what it does indicate is less than entirely flattering. Tho I'm pretty sure there are some TEST and Goon guys who've nearly died laughing and how much Dust allows infiltration to be baby town frolics.
If any feel like disproving my claims please do employ the methods quoted above, I shall happily accept the full API and participation of any and all 
~Cross |
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
118
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:29:00 -
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Some times when I come here I'm reminded of another site.. one who put a lot of value to "LULTZ" and "tears" but really doesn't amount to ****. cause they either have no balls to get anything real done, or just flop.
*It reminds me of a comic book store*
Yup. anyway just came for a comic. not going near that back room.
some one once told me "if your going play along side the tigers, make sure you can hold your own when they find out your not one of them."
Tho I'm curious.. Jenza why didn't you go after the objectives? Stalled them from getting them. From vid it seemed you were just TK. regardless,
Hellstorm did one hell of a job proving one point tho. FPS > Meta
Now when it's FPS+meta > FPS, that's a different story. |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
371
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:31:00 -
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See my quote above where I tell you how to easily deal with infiltration and Jenzaing.
Its simple, run 2 corps, ally them. One is a Training/Probation corp and another is a real corp. Real corps do this in real life all the time so they can easily get away with not paying benefits, not having to claim them etc etc...
Once you have milked enough donations and skill from each training/probation member you then promote them into the main corp. if they Jenza, you have already made your $$ from them so it doesn't matter.
ApI and all that doesn't stop anything, Yea you have to have an investment to plex, but all you have to do there is get into a corps ship program and then sell the stuff they give you, and feed yourself intel and blow up their mining opps and use that $$ to fund the plex for the alt. |

Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
308
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:48:00 -
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Heh, now here we see the true definition of fan boys.
Sad thread is sad. |

Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:52:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success.  Better get out that bucket of tears when you start loosing all your districts. I see Orion Empire is trimming down. Loosing over 1200 members in 3 days! Congrats! |

EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:56:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success. 
Ive noticed that the majority of bad players hide behind 'fun' 'tears' 'metagame'
Really its just them exploiting a bad mechanic because they know when it gets fixed proper corps will take everything from them |

Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:03:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote: Ive noticed that the majority of bad players hide behind 'fun' 'tears' 'metagame'
Really its just them exploiting a bad mechanic because they know when it gets fixed proper corps will take everything from them
Hans doesn't really play. All he does is go on corp comms and asks every member whats wrong and what the members think should be fixed.
He then compiles a list of things to be worked on and submits to CCP. |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
371
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:09:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote: Hans doesn't really play. All he does is go on corp comms and asks every member whats wrong and what the members think should be fixed.
He then compiles a list of things to be worked on and submits to CCP.
Wow, I like the sound of this guy. |

EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:11:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:EnglishSnake wrote: Ive noticed that the majority of bad players hide behind 'fun' 'tears' 'metagame'
Really its just them exploiting a bad mechanic because they know when it gets fixed proper corps will take everything from them
Hans doesn't really play. All he does is go on corp comms and asks every member whats wrong and what the members think should be fixed. He then compiles a list of things to be worked on and submits to CCP.
He doesnt play but backs the broken PC mechanic |

Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:19:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote: He doesnt play but backs the broken PC mechanic
He spends too much tome on Eve doing staring at his screen sending ims to IWS. Both of their heads are in space. They managed to Jenza along with them too. |

Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
110
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:21:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success.  Ive noticed that the majority of bad players hide behind 'fun' 'tears' 'metagame' Really its just them exploiting a bad mechanic because they know when it gets fixed proper corps will take everything from them
And I've noticed the majority of dimwits think that being good or bad in DUST rests solely on one's ability to fire a gun, failing to recognise that one can be very good at an FPS and still prefer the metagame. Whether or not we choose to play the game in a way that you recognise as skillful or not will usually have very little to do with whether or not we win. |
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:27:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success.  Ive noticed that the majority of bad players hide behind 'fun' 'tears' 'metagame' Really its just them exploiting a bad mechanic because they know when it gets fixed proper corps will take everything from them And I've noticed the majority of dimwits think that being good or bad in DUST rests solely on one's ability to fire a gun, failing to recognise that one can be very good at an FPS and still prefer the metagame. Whether or not we choose to play the game in a way that you recognise as skillful or not will usually have very little to do with whether or not we win.
Its barely metagame
Applying for a corp and then hopping into a PC battle with a squad is not metagame, its fastest finger 1st
Its not skilled, its easy
When its fixed then proper spies will have to rely information and gain trust and try to get into power of positions to blow the house down or at least help it along |

Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:28:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote: And I've noticed the majority of dimwits think that being good or bad in DUST rests solely on one's ability to fire a gun, failing to recognise that one can be very good at an FPS and still prefer the metagame. Whether or not we choose to play the game in a way that you recognise as skillful or not will usually have very little to do with whether or not we win.
FPS are stress relievers. A person should be able to come in and shoot the crap out of someone, feel good about themselves and go back to bed. If people wanted to deal with meta gaming they should go play Eve. Plenty of that horse crap going around there.
And CCP said they want this game to be casual friendly. How do you expect a casual to come in and stay with all this meta gaming BS?
So STFU and go back to Eve. The only we Dusters need you Eve capsulers for is to provide OBS. Like a dog. When we say come;- you guys come. When we say go;- you go! |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
372
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:32:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote: When its fixed then proper spies will have to rely information and gain trust and try to get into power of positions to blow the house down or at least help it along
Blow the house down? Really?
In EVE a real spy can steal trillions and do irreparable damage. In this game, you can screw up a match, maybe a couple of matches. If you can make director you can steal the tiny Dust wallet that Eve Corps will allows Dust to have. Oh boy, you took 240 Million, good job, bye bye... LOL.
Dust should be about easy spies, the guy popping in and just murding everyone and getting kicked out. There should be even more mechanics to improve this feature. Ways to sabotage stuff before the match even begins. Betrayal should be the name of the game, not something that happens rarely.
The Red team should be able to make bids that you can see and possibly accept during the game!!! Like a prompt that says, Red offers 50,000,000 if you murder 20 of your team GO. and if you hit it, you get the cash. |

Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
110
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:32:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:FPS are stress relievers. A person should be able to come in and shoot the crap out of someone, feel good about themselves and go back to bed. If people wanted to deal with meta gaming they should go play Eve. Plenty of that horse crap going around there.
I guess that would depend on whether you had a good day or a bad day. By the way, whenever someone tells me what games are supposed to be, why do I endlessly have to remind them that that is only what the game is for them? For someone else, it's going to be about something else.
Quote:And CCP said they want this game to be casual friendly. How do you expect a casual to come in and stay with all this meta gaming BS?
They say that about EVE too, which is also casual friendly. If you want casual friendly, don't go to nul sec. Likewise, if you want casual friendly in DUST, don't go to PC.
Quote:So STFU and go back to Eve. The only we Dusters need you Eve capsulers for is to provide OBS. Like a dog. When we say come;- you guys come. When we say go;- you go!
Or, we can keep awoxing you until you remember that EVE and DUST are now 2-in-1, and that, as CCP intended from the beginning, what happens in one can and will affect the other.
So no deal, I won't be told how to play a game I enjoy by some spoiled COD brat. New deal: we'll play it our way, you play it yours. Either keep losing to awoxers and whining about them, or learn something from the experience and get better.
Also, I do hope that someone you summon for OB realises how you think of them, and decides to target you instead. Just for the lulz. |

DeathwindRising
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
26
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:34:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing?
as a member of CPM, who sole reason for existence is make this game better, I'm so glad youre a complete douche. i find it slightly difficult to respect the position you represent. |

Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:37:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote: So no deal, I won't be told how to play a game I enjoy by some spoiled COD brat. New deal: we'll play it our way, you play it yours. Either keep losing to awoxers and whining about them, or learn something from the experience and get better.
Get over it! No one is gonna play the game the Eve way. You think all the skilled players are going to let you do it that way. FPSers love fighting and more content. You think they will care about all this meta gaming BS.
Meta game has failed. Cronos and Orions got their butts whopped. Now its time to get their gun game in order. You think about meta gaming DU people have achieved something? BS! |

Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:38:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote: Also, I do hope that someone you summon for OB realises how you think of them, and decides to target you instead. Just for the lulz.
They cant. Jokes on you. |

EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1082
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:39:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:EnglishSnake wrote: When its fixed then proper spies will have to rely information and gain trust and try to get into power of positions to blow the house down or at least help it along
Blow the house down? Really? In EVE a real spy can steal trillions and do irreparable damage. In this game, you can screw up a match, maybe a couple of matches. If you can make director you can steal the tiny Dust wallet that Eve Corps will allows Dust to have. Oh boy, you took 240 Million, good job, bye bye... LOL. Dust should be about easy spies, the guy popping in and just murding everyone and getting kicked out. There should be even more mechanics to improve this feature. Ways to sabotage stuff before the match even begins. Betrayal should be the name of the game, not something that happens rarely. The Red team should be able to make bids that you can see and possibly accept during the game!!! Like a prompt that says, Red offers 50,000,000 if you murder 20 of your team GO. and if you hit it, you get the cash.
In EVE that takes time to get upto the seat of the directors table to steal everything, it should be the same in DUST
As for awoxing you can do it in an EVE fleet then you get blown up instantly and booted, in DUST you join the match with your TK squad and start killing everyone but the corp cannot do anyting about you except to kill you but thats it, they cannot remove you like in EVE dureing a fleet fight and send you back to station plus anyone in corp can join a PC battle where as in EVE for a fleet fight you can be somewhat secretive about it and sneak off into the night
DUST metagame right now is **** poor and easy to do because the mode itself is broken |

Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
111
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:44:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote: So no deal, I won't be told how to play a game I enjoy by some spoiled COD brat. New deal: we'll play it our way, you play it yours. Either keep losing to awoxers and whining about them, or learn something from the experience and get better.
Get over it! No one is gonna play the game the Eve way. You think all the skilled players are going to let you do it that way. FPSers love fighting and more content. You think they will care about all this meta gaming BS. Meta game has failed. Cronos and Orions got their butts whopped. Now its time to get their gun game in order. You think about meta gaming DU people have achieved something? BS!
You dope, people are already playing it the EVE way, hence awoxing. The problem with FPS players is one that was suspected from the start, that they were all raised on games like COD being spoonfed map packs and dull "point and shoot nothing else to it" games.
The thing is, it has achieved something. It's made you mad. Now, you're getting all emotional. If you get this emotional about it in the forums, you must lose your absolute **** when it happens in game. |

Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
530
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:56:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. 66% success rate so far! we lost a few of our saboteurs in the hellstorm match to the loading bug
So you're blaming your loss on the fact you lost a few saboteurs.
Even though you still had tree and technically outnumbered them by 19-13. 6 Player difference there.
Oh wow. |
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
261
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:59:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success. 
Indeed
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Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:14:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote: You dope, people are already playing it the EVE way, hence awoxing. The problem with FPS players is one that was suspected from the start, that they were all raised on games like COD being spoonfed map packs and dull "point and shoot nothing else to it" games.
The thing is, it has achieved something. It's made you mad. Now, you're getting all emotional. If you get this emotional about it in the forums, you must lose your absolute **** when it happens in game.
They might be playing the Eve way but they are loosing. How long do you thing people will adopt a failing ideology? Now corps are just gonna have holding corps. There go your AWOX. You cant get districts if you cant access them.
Dope that out dude!
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Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:16:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote: So you're blaming your loss on the fact you lost a few saboteurs.
Even though you still had tree and technically outnumbered them by 19-13. 6 Player difference there.
Oh wow.
Its Betamax guys. They cant get anything right. |

Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
114
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:20:00 -
[44] - Quote
Banned From Forums wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote: You dope, people are already playing it the EVE way, hence awoxing. The problem with FPS players is one that was suspected from the start, that they were all raised on games like COD being spoonfed map packs and dull "point and shoot nothing else to it" games.
The thing is, it has achieved something. It's made you mad. Now, you're getting all emotional. If you get this emotional about it in the forums, you must lose your absolute **** when it happens in game.
They might be playing the Eve way but they are loosing. How long do you thing people will adopt a failing ideology? Now corps are just gonna have holding corps. There go your AWOX. You cant get districts if you cant access them. Dope that out dude!
Failing? How can it be failing when it's only just getting started? I haven't actually been privy to any PC yet, but I've seen this conversation before, when awox himself first started dancing. That's right, the guy who pretty much invented it, who it's named for. It went pretty much the same way it's going now. Since then, whole corps in EVE have been decimated and billions stolen by infiltrations and spies that barely even had to try.
I look forward to seeing similar results here.
Also, *losing. Just one 'o'. "Loose" is the opposite of "tight". Please learn to brain better. |

Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:23:00 -
[45] - Quote
Jaron Pollard wrote: I haven't actually been privy to any PC yet,
That's says it all;- forum warrior talking about stuff they don't about. If you had told me you were an idiot before I would have left you alone. |

Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
114
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:25:00 -
[46] - Quote
Banned From Forums wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote: I haven't actually been privy to any PC yet, That's says it all;- forum warrior talking about stuff they don't about. If you had told me you were an idiot before I would have left you alone.
Nice work with the quote mining. I know a lot about awoxing, and I just explained that. I was there when it was new to EVE, too, and already know how exactly CCP will respond.
A PC match is just like any other at this stage, except FF is on, and it's a battle for corp-owned territory. So there's a lot that I can assume, and will get right. I've gotten a few minor details wrong, but I've been corrected thoroughly and learned something. You should try learning some time too. |

Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:29:00 -
[47] - Quote
Jaron Pollard wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:I haven't actually been privy to any PC yet, That's says it all;- forum warrior talking about stuff they don't about. If you had told me you were an idiot before I would have left you alone. Nice work with the quote mining. I know a lot about awoxing, and I just explained that. I was there when it was new to EVE, too, and already know how exactly CCP will respond. A PC match is just like any other at this stage, except FF is on, and it's a battle for corp-owned territory. So there's a lot that I can assume, and will get right. I've gotten a few minor details wrong, but I've been corrected thoroughly and learned something. You should try learning some time too.
I have highlighted where you lost me. Enjoy your trolling. |

Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
114
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:30:00 -
[48] - Quote
Banned From Forums wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:I haven't actually been privy to any PC yet, That's says it all;- forum warrior talking about stuff they don't about. If you had told me you were an idiot before I would have left you alone. Nice work with the quote mining. I know a lot about awoxing, and I just explained that. I was there when it was new to EVE, too, and already know how exactly CCP will respond. A PC match is just like any other at this stage, except FF is on, and it's a battle for corp-owned territory. So there's a lot that I can assume, and will get right. I've gotten a few minor details wrong, but I've been corrected thoroughly and learned something. You should try learning some time too. I have highlighted where you lost me. Enjoy your trolling.
It's easy to lose someone who was already lost, so I'm not surprised.
Here's the live version. It's pretty good, actually.
Also, I should explain quote mining. It's where you take a single piece of something that someone has said out of context, ignore everything else they said, most of which is relevant to the point they were making, and make it look like they were saying something completely different. It's incredibly dishonest, just as bad as outright lying really. It can be considered as a form of libel or slander in a court of law, by the way. So, now that you've just lost your e-honour, welcome to new eden. |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
375
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:44:00 -
[49] - Quote
Lets get some real spy action going on
Feedback/Request Thread |

Gravity Sucks
Grief University
5
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:47:00 -
[50] - Quote
steadyhand amarr wrote:Thr imps are just pissed they didn't think of it first they get all moody when the spotlight is taken away from them :-P
Betamax is pissed they didn't think of awoxing first and got beat to it by Grief University  |
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DeeJay One
BetaMax. CRONOS.
30
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:58:00 -
[51] - Quote
SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:No wonder everybody wants you guys removed - you don't even know how to play the game to win.  There's no such thing as a definitive WIN in New Eden, you can only make the odds more on your side... |

EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
334
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:00:00 -
[52] - Quote
steadyhand amarr wrote:Must admit the fourm qq has been so good even the imps got jellous :-P not looking forward to that reprisal lol
steadyhand why would you go from imperfects to betamax it's like going from ivy league to public school, i mean the curriculum might me tough at ivy but bro |

SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:05:00 -
[53] - Quote
DeeJay One wrote:SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:No wonder everybody wants you guys removed - you don't even know how to play the game to win.  There's no such thing as a definitive WIN in New Eden, you can only make the odds more on your side... So is there no such thing is broken mechanics either because it's all 'meta?' Lol
EVE had a small population for good reason it seems. Glad you eve-tards are here to make sure dust is a small populated game too. +1 Lol |

XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
324
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:22:00 -
[54] - Quote
Banned From Forums wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote: So you're blaming your loss on the fact you lost a few saboteurs.
Even though you still had tree and technically outnumbered them by 19-13. 6 Player difference there.
Oh wow.
Its Betamax guys. They cant get anything right.
CCP actually said at fanfest Imperfects and BetaMax the 2 most dominating corps in Dust. They got something right I guess.
Not that CCP knows who plays their game or what goes on in the game or anything.
"I'll gladly take your money" They also said this at Fanfest. |

Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
904
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:39:00 -
[55] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing?
In certain circles we call it other things.
Failzaing.  |

Revelations 514
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:56:00 -
[56] - Quote
I don't see what the big deal is. If your casual, your not gonna be in too many PC matches anyways. May as well have the ability to meta even if you don't use it. Have some human corp management skills to go with your in game corp management skills.
Lessons learned, secrets out now. Just learn from it and move on. While I don't use meta gaming yet, I would like the opportunity to do so if I choose in the future. Having CCP dictate that this cannot be done would be a betrayal to what makes this game different imo. But hey, I'm nobody but a guy with an opinion. |

Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
157
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:57:00 -
[57] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. 66% success rate so far! we lost a few of our saboteurs in the hellstorm match to the loading bug You still had no vision about what to do when you actually got into the match and for this you fail. Just running around team-killing is weak. Now if you would of setup a medic circle ala BF2 medic camping and gotten your squad leaders OB after OB then it would of been an awesome show of power and sabotage. You have no vision though and even with double the clones on your side you still lost out to MCC destruction. Bad form, but then again that is all I ever see when I play against those with the Betamax tag.
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Philipp Achtel
Goonfeet
50
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:59:00 -
[58] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing?
A little ballsy to plant your flag over something you weren't the first person to discover or pull off, don't you think? |

Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned
42
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:03:00 -
[59] - Quote
Can we make it so anyone who TKs ends up in BetaMax? |

Severance Pay
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
219
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:16:00 -
[60] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. 66% success rate so far! we lost a few of our saboteurs in the hellstorm match to the loading bug 0% against Hellstorm. FIXED. Anyway, you had 2 which put the match at 18 vs 14 and when your spies die they depleat our clones, how much of any edge would you need to beat Hellstorm? |
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Ludwig Van AssWhoopin
lMPurity
52
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:20:00 -
[61] - Quote
A dump a day keeps the doctor away. |

Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
311
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:23:00 -
[62] - Quote
Ludwig Van AssWhoopin wrote:A dump a day keeps the doctor away.
What ever happened to the apple? |

Nguruthos IV
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:24:00 -
[63] - Quote
Ludwig Van AssWhoopin wrote:A dump a day keeps the doctor away. constipation can really clog things up |

DJINN Punisher
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
151
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:39:00 -
[64] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing?
Only if we can change scrub to Jenza and Betamax to garbage.... that would make Cronos... the dump?
Fyi Jenza cant think for herself anymore people, she has to listen to Sha or risk a beating... |

Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
290
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:43:00 -
[65] - Quote
Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing.
Jenzaing (verb) - The act of successfully awoxing the enemy team and still loosing the match.
I like it. |

Model No 0001
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:55:00 -
[66] - Quote
Since Jenza wasn't the first to do it, or even the most prolific users of the tactic, it's unfitting to name it after her. |

Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
290
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:07:00 -
[67] - Quote
Model No 0001 wrote:Since Jenza wasn't the first to do it, or even the most prolific users of the tactic, it's unfitting to name it after her.
I do approve of naming failed attempts at it after her though.
She is the first to accomplish the feat of loosing while awoxing the other team. |

TYRlON LANNISTER
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:10:00 -
[68] - Quote
steadyhand amarr wrote:Thr imps are just pissed they didn't think of it first they get all moody when the spotlight is taken away from them :-P
Silly child we just don't attention grab without purpose, racing to be first is meaningless if you flame out just as quickly.
We don't always metagame but when we do, we prefer style. |

Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
314
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:11:00 -
[69] - Quote
It was a real battle, they AWOXed us but we JENZAd them! |

Nomed Deeps
The Exemplars Gentlemen's Agreement
143
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:14:00 -
[70] - Quote
Deluxe Edition wrote:Model No 0001 wrote:Since Jenza wasn't the first to do it, or even the most prolific users of the tactic, it's unfitting to name it after her. I do approve of naming failed attempts at it after her though. She is the first to accomplish the feat of loosing while awoxing the other team.
No wonder they are AWOXing; how could they possibly have a chance any other way. 
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Model No 0001
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:23:00 -
[71] - Quote
Deluxe Edition wrote:She is the first to accomplish the feat of loosing while awoxing the other team.
That's why I support naming such a feat after her :-D Crash monster's quote just rolls off the tongue.
Crash Monster wrote:They AWOXed us but we JENZAd them! |

Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
254
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:46:00 -
[72] - Quote
interesting |

BOZ MR
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
148
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Posted - 2013.05.20 22:48:00 -
[73] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? I will say more of FAILing Jenza and her +ícrubs |

Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
815
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:01:00 -
[74] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote: 66% success rate so far!
You know what we call that in the States? A "D" |

Imp Smash
On The Brink CRONOS.
98
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:28:00 -
[75] - Quote
The amount of circle jerking in this thread is epic. /popcornsUP
Everyone please continue!
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First Prophet
Jaguar Elite
106
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:42:00 -
[76] - Quote
Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Ha!
This comment is just too great.  |

Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
263
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:53:00 -
[77] - Quote
I think jenzaing should be the term used for successfully ruining the opportunity for new players that Dust 514 needs from the most crucial element of the game (joining a corporation).
Or it could mean, perform the exact opposite of the duties you were appointed to perform.
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Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
148
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:29:00 -
[78] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think jenzaing should be the term used for successfully ruining the opportunity for new players that Dust 514 needs from the most crucial element of the game (joining a corporation).
Or it could mean, perform the exact opposite of the duties you were appointed to perform.
I dig it. |

SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
345
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:32:00 -
[79] - Quote
Is this thread really still alive?
I had my fun with this - it's only half true - can we move on anytime soon?
Harassing someone is only fun for so long. |

Lord Kira DeAurum
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:34:00 -
[80] - Quote
Tiel Syysch wrote:jenza aranda wrote: 66% success rate so far!
You know what we call that in the States? A "D"
She is sure good at earning the "D' 
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Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
148
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:43:00 -
[81] - Quote
Zing! |

Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
78
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:58:00 -
[82] - Quote
Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success.  Having read some of Heinrich's past posts they were generally very well put together. So reading this feels like having an esteemed guest show up in the Lecture Hall only to let out a loud wet fart and exit again.
I'll just pretend this is one of those, "coming to the Lady's defense," instead of random douchebaggery. |

Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
565
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:40:00 -
[83] - Quote
Rusty Shallows wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. Silly imp. The point of AWOXing isn't victory, its tear extraction and fun. I'd call Jenza's efforts an unequivocal success.  Having read some of Heinrich's past posts they were generally very well put together. So reading this feels like having an esteemed guest show up in the Lecture Hall only to let out a loud wet fart and exit again. I'll just pretend this is one of those, "coming to the Lady's defense," instead of random douchebaggery.
No lets call a turd a turd. What we have here again is people who think they know what something is but really have no clue because they've never successfully done it before. Much like how Jenza thinks she knows how to play in a tank.
When you have players who only have a rudimentary idea of how a EVE mechanic or gameplay style works but haven't done it before they latch on to any semblance of something that looks like the genuine thing but really is a betrayal of the original design.Sneaking a player into a corp isn't masterful it isn't even impressive. It is a nuisance that seems cooler than it is because real espionage work takes time and effort and "skill"
See there is that word again SKILL. Seems our current CPMs fear anything that requires meaningful effort. The idea of placing someone in as a sleeper agent for a long period of time(months if not a year or more) in an effort to establish trust that can be pivoted to roles within the corp that grant higher tier functions and greater chances for betrayal.
You think getting into a match impresses me, how bout working your way up to battle commander role; kicking everyone out of match and proceeding to wipe out an entire cargo hold district in one attack because you kept suiciding and dropping links to make sure you burned through them all(yea long time for small rewards but its not about the results remember its about the narrative )
Better yet establish yourself as an invaluable assest within your organization that people would kill to have you in their organization so much so that you pull a VR and **** Goons all the while intending to destroy the people you were feigning your dissnet to.
See intel, counter intel, deception and subterfuge takes actual effort and skill. They require forethought and planning and the ability to play the chess game not the checkers board. Is it any wonder the players who continually can't adapt on the battlefield and continue to cry over weapons and things not actually broken are the same ones who want an easy way to sabotage matches without safeguards that you find in EVE, its because they are lazy, unimaginative and simply lack the mental prowess to truly put in spywork, they want the game to be easy for them because if it was truly like EVE they would be as irrelevant here as they are there. |

CharCharOdell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
159
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Posted - 2013.05.21 08:21:00 -
[84] - Quote
Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing.
Jenza. This has 41 likes. Which equates to 41 dislikes for you. Why you are on the CPM in the first place baffles the player base. |

Rei Shepard
Spectre II
273
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:10:00 -
[85] - Quote
I know why they need to resort to Awoxing :p
Came across them a couple of times this weekend on public matches, full Beta Squad, on one match they even had 7 Betas.
Took only 2 Spectres to roll them hard. |

Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1588
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:03:00 -
[86] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. 66% success rate so far! we lost a few of our saboteurs in the hellstorm match to the loading bug
Congrats, you get a D+! |

Groza Tragediya
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
130
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Posted - 2013.05.21 11:51:00 -
[87] - Quote
Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing.
I lol'd |

Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
180
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:32:00 -
[88] - Quote
Bump for comical value |

jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1457
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:35:00 -
[89] - Quote
Freshticles wrote:Bump for comical value
Quote:14. Bumping outside the Corporation Recruitment channel is prohibited. The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the Corporation Recruitment forum channel. The Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please review the sticky threads in this forum channel for specific details. |

Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
180
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:41:00 -
[90] - Quote
jenza aranda wrote:Freshticles wrote:Bump for comical value Quote:14. Bumping outside the Corporation Recruitment channel is prohibited. The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the Corporation Recruitment forum channel. The Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please review the sticky threads in this forum channel for specific details. Way to edit the quote. |
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Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
25
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:51:00 -
[91] - Quote
Bump? |

Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
180
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:55:00 -
[92] - Quote
Calroon DeVil wrote:Bump? On your head, there. |

Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
431
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:41:00 -
[93] - Quote
Wow this thread is still going on? I forgot I even made this thread, and i rarely make new threads.
+1 Jenza for extra extra tear extraction...
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Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
417
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:05:00 -
[94] - Quote
Daedric Lothar wrote:Wow this thread is still going on? I forgot I even made this thread, and i rarely make new threads.
+1 Jenza for extra extra tear extraction...
as freshticles said awoxing would be a successful interception jenzaing (pronounced jen-zain?) would be the failure of interception or a successful interception but still failing at the end goal :)
also you can't steal someone elses idea and put your name on it - this isn't apple. |

Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
182
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:31:00 -
[95] - Quote
Captain-Awesome wrote:Daedric Lothar wrote:Wow this thread is still going on? I forgot I even made this thread, and i rarely make new threads.
+1 Jenza for extra extra tear extraction...
as freshticles said awoxing would be a successful interception jenzaing (pronounced jen-zain?) would be the failure of interception or a successful interception but still failing at the end goal :) also you can't steal someone elses idea and put your name on it - this isn't apple. Well said. |

Freshticles
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
254
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Posted - 2013.06.20 21:26:00 -
[96] - Quote
Wrong thread. |

Fredrikson Revel
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:37:00 -
[97] - Quote
There should be something made of the Planetside bomber debacle, before jenza
I think jenzas pants is the funniest player created name ever. |

mollerz
Minja Scouts
471
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:40:00 -
[98] - Quote
Captain-Awesome wrote:
as freshticles said awoxing would be a successful interception jenzaing (pronounced jen-zain?) would be the failure of interception or a successful interception but still failing at the end goal :)
also you can't steal someone elses idea and put your name on it - this isn't google.
Fixed! |

PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:18:00 -
[99] - Quote
Fredrikson Revel wrote:There should be something made of the Planetside bomber debacle, before jenza
I think jenzas pants is the funniest player created name ever.
Planetside 2 bomber is vicious,
Alot of spam xovering these forums.
I mean look at my name. |

PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:18:00 -
[100] - Quote
Feedback appreciated
Here is what I think
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Terry Turner
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:55:00 -
[101] - Quote
Looks li,e planetside bomber got to this thread |

Manly Vehicle Operator
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.07.07 22:51:00 -
[102] - Quote
Freshticles wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Can we call awoxing in dust jenzaing? jenzaing suggests that you fail to win the match by AWOXing. I'd just like to take the opportunity to say this is a piece of art. |
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