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Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.20 04:20:00 -
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Like the title says. Makes no sense that anyone can see them on the edge of their mini-map. It should be subject to your scan radius. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.20 04:41:00 -
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I hope this just got overlooked with the scan radius nerf because its silly that you can't detect an enemy from 20m but you can find an uplink that's 100m. |
Smoky The Bear
Silent Stalkerz
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
74
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Posted - 2013.05.20 05:16:00 -
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more common sense stuff that makes ya say hmmmmm |
Farsund Solheim
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.20 06:18:00 -
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I agree. i love that in my basic medium Minmatar frame, i can't see a tank that is driving up behind me on my minimap, nor on my overhead map, but i'll be damned if i cant see an enemies drop uplink clear across the map, no matter the range! |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:37:00 -
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Bumping for common sense! |
Drex Vizla
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:44:00 -
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yes +1 |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:49:00 -
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+1
They're way too easily detectable. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
League of Infamy
993
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:15:00 -
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+1
Just makes sense.
Also I'd love there to be a line of 'Covert' uplinks added. Lower stats in other areas (as compared to equivalent meta level) but increase built in profile dampening. Give players more options about what they bring to the fight 
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:47:00 -
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*Implement Active Scanner*
*Make Drop uplinks easier to spot anyway*
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Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
334
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:49:00 -
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EDIT: NVM, misread. |
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J Falcs
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:19:00 -
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Just curious as to thoughts. Only appears on said character's scan radius when the DU is in the radius, or it appears on everyone's map once one team member is within the scan radius. I am assuming everyone is okay with the latter since it follows the same as players, but I could be wrong. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
334
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:25:00 -
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J Falcs wrote:Just curious as to thoughts. Only appears on said character's scan radius when the DU is in the radius, or it appears on everyone's map once one team member is within the scan radius. I am assuming everyone is okay with the latter since it follows the same as players, but I could be wrong.
Almost but not quite. Similarly to how players that are passively scanned don't appear on everyone's radar, DU that are passively scanned shouldn't either. However, if a player is looking at the DU then yes put it on everyone's radar, spotting like that is fine. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
85
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:33:00 -
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I agree. Drop uplinks should have a certain db profile which decreases as you move to more advanced versions and should only be seen through drop suits with a low enough precision to scan as well as active scanners.
+1 |
Kinkku-Ananas Kepappi
Rautaleijona
Gentlemen's Agreement
27
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:54:00 -
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And stop showing them and nanohives through walls. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
339
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Posted - 2013.05.21 03:01:00 -
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Kinkku-Ananas Kepappi wrote:And stop showing them and nanohives through walls.
Agreed, nanohives should be no different. |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
494
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Posted - 2013.05.21 03:57:00 -
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Has CCP made any comments on uplink detection yet? It is very annoying how broken they are and this has been going on for a while.
Finding clever hiding spots used to be a fun and interesting part of the game. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
League of Infamy
1006
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:00:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:J Falcs wrote:Just curious as to thoughts. Only appears on said character's scan radius when the DU is in the radius, or it appears on everyone's map once one team member is within the scan radius. I am assuming everyone is okay with the latter since it follows the same as players, but I could be wrong. Almost but not quite. Similarly to how players that are passively scanned don't appear on everyone's radar, DU that are passively scanned shouldn't either. However, if a player is looking at the DU then yes put it on everyone's radar, spotting like that is fine.
Agreed. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
353
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:08:00 -
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Bumping again for more common sense. I don't think anyone likes it the way it is now. |
Turkevich
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:09:00 -
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+1 makes sense |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
342
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:52:00 -
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I liked hiding droplinks back in the day  |
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Red Dot 24601-HA
S.e.V.e.N.
Gentlemen's Agreement
79
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Posted - 2013.05.22 22:01:00 -
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I agree. droplinks used to be a tactical piece of equipment. You hid it behind the enemy and and created a forward spawn. Now you can't hide them and they very rarely last for more than a couple spawns. CCP make them more stealthy like plz! |
Shady IceCream Truck
Silent Stalkerz
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
21
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Posted - 2013.05.23 00:11:00 -
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BUMP |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:50:00 -
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+1
I should not see uplinks on the other side of the map unless one of my teammates is standing very close to it. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.26 16:41:00 -
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Hello again. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
152
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Posted - 2013.05.26 17:05:00 -
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As I said in the General Discussion thread on the same topic, I disagree.
Drop Uplinks are BEACONS. The most logical explanation of their mechanics is that they function on similar theories as jump drives, making these beacons like cynosural fields: visible to everyone in the system (or in this case, the map).
As it stands, it's already possible to get them into incredibly difficult to reach places, and you have to contend with the people spawning at them at the same time (who appear invisible and invulnerable for a few moments, and you can bet your ass I take full advantage of that when I spawn at one to get behind you).
Further, by making them visible, you can use their nature as a beacon to set traps and lure enemies into a killbox. Granted that friendlies will spawn into the killbox too, but this is only an issue in PC at the moment, since FF isn't on anywhere else (though it needs to be on everywhere except high-sec instant-action.)
Besides, they're so damn numerous that it's often not even worth killing them unless you just happen upon one in the first place. I really don't see an issue as-is, and making them harder to find would make them even harder to kill than they already are when placed by anyone half-competent. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
434
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Posted - 2013.05.26 17:37:00 -
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Geirskoegul, I'm not saying making them invisible. All I'm saying is making them subject to your scanning radius. By no means should there be any drop uplink with a low profile signature, they should all be high as to be instantly detectable. But what the heck is the purpose of having a scan radius if you are able to detect things well outside of it? |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
153
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Posted - 2013.05.26 17:56:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Geirskoegul, I'm not saying making them invisible. All I'm saying is making them subject to your scanning radius. By no means should there be any drop uplink with a low profile signature, they should all be high as to be instantly detectable. But what the heck is the purpose of having a scan radius if you are able to detect things well outside of it?
Well the scan radius applies to everything else, just like being on-grid or within scanning radius in EVE applies to everything else. Cynosural (and drop uplink) beacons are the exception.
As of now (except for what I hope will change with regard to vehicle recalls) drop uplinks are the only form of "teleportation" in Dust 514. In EVE, the only form of physical teleportation is jump drives. The way this technology works is by igniting a massive beacon of incredible power that instantly shows up on the overview of everyone in the system, regardless of where they are, whether they have probes, or even scan for something in the first place; it's such a powerful beacon that it's just THERE, you can't NOT see it. Drop uplinks make sense to me in the same way.
What are we losing by them being visible everywhere (just like a CRU or any other spawnable location except for mobile CRUs), vs being incredibly easy to detect once in range? What do we really gain by making them not visible from everywhere? I would argue we're losing nothing with them as-is (unless the one placing them is really bad at it; which isn't a bad thing, it encourages learning better placement locations and strategies) and that we gain nothing by removing them. Since we don't have a mechanical reason, that leaves lore, and the lore makes more sense with them visible to everyone, regardless of range.
Just to head off any argument based on needing to spot a ship that MIGHT have a mobile CRU (you don't know for sure if it does), these don't use teleportation technology, but are a clone-bay on-board the ship and it receives the normal communications transmission that your consciousness is carried on; no beacons are involved, any more than they are with medical clones or jump clones in EVE, even when in a ship like a Rorqual that can fit a mobile bay. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
437
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Posted - 2013.05.26 18:24:00 -
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What we are gaining by making them subject to your scan radius is actually being able to stage surprise attacks. Especially considering one of the best suits for carrying the uplinks is the scout suit since they can infiltrate the enemy bases undetected, but as soon as you pop an uplink down now your cover is blown.
They weren't always like this. In Chromosome you had to simply realize the enemy are attacking too frequently and then go search for the uplink. It added more to the gameplay. I didn't see anyone back then complaining that they should be visible on the far edges of of your minimap, but now their are tons of people complaining that they should go back to how they were. |
EXASTRA INVICTAS
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.05.26 18:36:00 -
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What if CCP just implements a low-spawn, stealthy drop uplink? Scout suit sneaks into enemy base, drops stealth uplink. Only lasts for 5+ spawns, but it's enough to get a full squad behind enemy lines to hit them from both sides. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
155
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Posted - 2013.05.26 18:59:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:What we are gaining by making them subject to your scan radius is actually being able to stage surprise attacks. Especially considering one of the best suits for carrying the uplinks is the scout suit since they can infiltrate the enemy bases undetected, but as soon as you pop an uplink down now your cover is blown.
They weren't always like this. In Chromosome you had to simply realize the enemy are attacking too frequently and then go search for the uplink. It added more to the gameplay. I didn't see anyone back then complaining that they should be visible on the far edges of of your minimap, but now their are tons of people complaining that they should go back to how they were.
What surprise attacks? You planning to have your whole team suicide so that a single scan-damped scout can sneak in to place the uplink and everyone then spawn? Not particularly practical.
I suppose my main objection is that simply tossing something on the ground anywhere you like (most often in places that are nearly impossible to get to, especially with people still spawning at them) is unnecessarily potent as a tactic. Teleportation, with the exception of jump drives, doesn't exist in New Eden, so the idea of being able to sneak things in like that, undetected unless seen up close, doesn't sit well. Force your advance, use your uplinks to provide reinforcements outside of vehicle-mounted or fixed respawn points, but know that the tech makes its presence known to all.
EXASTRA INVICTAS wrote:What if CCP just implements a low-spawn, stealthy drop uplink? Scout suit sneaks into enemy base, drops stealth uplink. Only lasts for 5+ spawns, but it's enough to get a full squad behind enemy lines to hit them from both sides.
I would be far more comfortable with an idea like this. The Dust version of BLOPS and covert cynos. Limit it to other scout suits that can spawn at it, perhaps, and now you have the means to sneak a force behind enemy lines, very difficult to detect, and cause trouble by back-hacking them or boobytrapping their ****. BLOPS used well in EVE can be amazing, and it'd be cool to see something similar in Dust. |
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