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Choose Your Fighter ILL OM3NS 3	Posted - 2013.05.19 17:49:00 - [1] - Quote To create a role within a community like this, that has influence over the flow and evolution of the game is stupid and just show's a lack of regard for the player base. CCP tells you they do this because they care, but in actual fact, they do this so they dont have to pay someone to do it. The bottom line is, they should be a part of the community, interacting with all aspects of the world they have created, not just posting generic comments to 1 post out of 100. The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, Get rid of DEV's and CPM tags on the forums and instead, everyone becomes an equal. If CCP dosnt know the desires of their playerbase, and have to elect meaningless roles to do their work for them their game will fail.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4732	Posted - 2013.05.19 18:02:00 - [2] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: To create a role within a community like this, that has influence over the flow and evolution of the game is stupid and just show's a lack of regard for the player base. CCP tells you they do this because they care, but in actual fact, they do this so they dont have to pay someone to do it. The bottom line is, they should be a part of the community, interacting with all aspects of the world they have created, not just posting generic comments to 1 post out of 100. The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, Get rid of DEV's and CPM tags on the forums and instead, everyone becomes an equal. If CCP dosnt know the desires of their playerbase, and have to elect meaningless roles to do their work for them their game will fail. Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. Some people are just more equal than others. We're not machines.
Choose Your Fighter ILL OM3NS 3	Posted - 2013.05.19 18:27:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Choose Your Fighter wrote: To create a role within a community like this, that has influence over the flow and evolution of the game is stupid and just show's a lack of regard for the player base. CCP tells you they do this because they care, but in actual fact, they do this so they dont have to pay someone to do it. The bottom line is, they should be a part of the community, interacting with all aspects of the world they have created, not just posting generic comments to 1 post out of 100. The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, Get rid of DEV's and CPM tags on the forums and instead, everyone becomes an equal. If CCP dosnt know the desires of their playerbase, and have to elect meaningless roles to do their work for them their game will fail. Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. Some people are just more equal than others. We're not machines. So because of people like you, i wouldnt be in a corp for up untill 5 days ago? I'm not sure what you mean, but regardless of your mistake, its got nothing to do with people like you. The game was built to have corps, its an expectation of the eve universe. Your delusion is that your opinion or influence even matters to anyone outside of your social circle. I've not heard 1 good thing said about the CPM since its incarnation. This isnt personal, so dont think im having a go at you. dont you see that your role is a farce, just away to appease the masses without having to confrount them? It's crowd control, when the crowd should have control
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 522	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:37:00 - [4] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Choose Your Fighter wrote: To create a role within a community like this, that has influence over the flow and evolution of the game is stupid and just show's a lack of regard for the player base. CCP tells you they do this because they care, but in actual fact, they do this so they dont have to pay someone to do it. The bottom line is, they should be a part of the community, interacting with all aspects of the world they have created, not just posting generic comments to 1 post out of 100. The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, Get rid of DEV's and CPM tags on the forums and instead, everyone becomes an equal. If CCP dosnt know the desires of their playerbase, and have to elect meaningless roles to do their work for them their game will fail. Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. Some people are just more equal than others. We're not machines. So because of people like you, i wouldnt be in a corp for up untill 5 days ago? I'm not sure what you mean, but regardless of your mistake, its got nothing to do with people like you. The game was built to have corps, its an expectation of the eve universe. Your delusion is that your opinion or influence even matters to anyone outside of your social circle. I've not heard 1 good thing said about the CPM since its incarnation. This isnt personal, so dont think im having a go at you. dont you see that your role is a farce, just away to appease the masses without having to confrount them? It's crowd control, when the crowd should have control The upside is ALL of the CPMs, 'cept Nova, are pretty easy kills. So you can take it out any frustrations they may cause for you in the forums on them in-game. Teabagging is not an option, it's a requirement.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1026	Posted - 2013.05.19 19:45:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. . This quote is not true, btw. Ironwolf is referring to a small uproar that happened when some CSM minutes were released like earlier 2012 stating that corporation features weren't planned until 2013. The uproar happened, and CCP said in no uncertain terms that 'those plans had already changed long before the CSM minutes were published' People thinking they made a difference there are mostly mistaken tbh.
Dexter Peabody GoonFeet 56	Posted - 2013.05.19 20:59:00 - [6] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. . This quote is not true, btw. Ironwolf is referring to a small uproar that happened when some CSM minutes were released like earlier 2012 stating that corporation features weren't planned until 2013. The uproar happened, and CCP said in no uncertain terms that 'those plans had already changed long before the CSM minutes were published' People thinking they made a difference there are mostly mistaken tbh. That was about POS
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4732	Posted - 2013.05.20 00:37:00 - [7] - Quote Dexter Peabody wrote: Nova Knife wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. . This quote is not true, btw. Ironwolf is referring to a small uproar that happened when some CSM minutes were released like earlier 2012 stating that corporation features weren't planned until 2013. The uproar happened, and CCP said in no uncertain terms that 'those plans had already changed long before the CSM minutes were published' People thinking they made a difference there are mostly mistaken tbh. That was about POS I am pretty sure we had to shut down the entire IRC channel because of the uproar that corps where not launching was FIRST mentioned there (minutes came out some after we had corps) and we dragged CCP Jian into the channel to explain why Dust 514 cannot launch without Corps.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1026	Posted - 2013.05.20 00:50:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am pretty sure we had to shut down the entire IRC channel because of the uproar that corps where not launching was FIRST mentioned there (minutes came out some after we had corps) and we dragged CCP Jian into the channel to explain why Dust 514 cannot launch without Corps. This never happened. @ Dexter : The Uproar over the 2012 minutes was over POS. The dust-side uproar in 2012 was based on the 2011 winter summit minutes which the dust details were not released until closer to the summer of 2012 (Late may if memory serves) There was a small group of outspoken folks saying "WTF CCP NO CORPS UNTIL A YEAR AFTER LAUNCH?" (Dust was supposed to still be launching in Q4 2012 at this point) And CCP was quick to say "Chill dudes, the CSM already grilled us on this and the plan was changed long before minutes were put out. You'll have corps soonish" There's still a few that try to take credit for that. But you can thank CSM6 for getting on CCP's asses about that. (I think it was still 6 back then?)
Fivetimes Infinity GoonFeet 1095	Posted - 2013.05.20 04:00:00 - [9] - Quote Hoo lawdy. First, CPM is there to do what CSM does -- give opinions. They don't dictate the course of development. If CCP thinks they're out to lunch they'll simply ignore their opinions. Yes, right now the CPM are just random people whose chops were, y'know, hanging out in IRC and posting on the forums a lot. Not very exciting. Eventually the CPM will include people of the same sort that the CSM does -- the movers and shakers of New Eden who have a bunch of clout such that they can rally thousands of people behind them, amidst a field of dozens of potential candidates. So no, CPM is not a bad idea. In several years, Dust will be complicated enough that having high-level Dust players who are respected enough by the Dust community to get elected may in fact prove beneficial to CCP. Right now, it's just to establish the groundwork. Get people familiar with the idea of there being a CPM while CCP continues as planned along its desired schedule.
Choose Your Fighter ILL OM3NS 3	Posted - 2013.05.20 07:10:00 - [10] - Quote Creating a higher archy within a competitive gaming circle is only going to lead to its collapse, CCP should know this, hell, anyone can see the aversion people have to authority, thats why they should get off their asses and engage with the community, rather than have middle men to do it for them. The purpose of the CPM is to cut cost's and to stifle the voices of the masses so they cannot make demands or hold the game hostage. Your creating a political system within a computer game, which does the same thing politics ends up doing, dis-empowering the masses

crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1291	Posted - 2013.05.20 08:29:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dexter Peabody wrote: Nova Knife wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. . This quote is not true, btw. Ironwolf is referring to a small uproar that happened when some CSM minutes were released like earlier 2012 stating that corporation features weren't planned until 2013. The uproar happened, and CCP said in no uncertain terms that 'those plans had already changed long before the CSM minutes were published' People thinking they made a difference there are mostly mistaken tbh. That was about POS I am pretty sure we had to shut down the entire IRC channel because of the uproar that corps where not launching was FIRST mentioned there (minutes came out some after we had corps) and we dragged CCP Jian into the channel to explain why Dust 514 cannot launch without Corps. That wasn't the CPM, that was just you dude, before CPM, right? being a boss?
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1291	Posted - 2013.05.20 08:31:00 - [12] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: Creating a higher archy within a competitive gaming circle is only going to lead to its collapse, CCP should know this, hell, anyone can see the aversion people have to authority, thats why they should get off their asses and engage with the community, rather than have middle men to do it for them. The purpose of the CPM is to cut cost's and to stifle the voices of the masses so they cannot make demands or hold the game hostage. Your creating a political system within a computer game, which does the same thing politics ends up doing, dis-empowering the masses are you kidding? there is no lobbying groups, CCP need a small group of players to bounce ideas off of before they can lift NDAs to make sure they aren't making a mistake. If you don't like the CPM then vote for it's new members. You can start by giving me your vote.
Choose Your Fighter ILL OM3NS 3	Posted - 2013.05.20 09:43:00 - [13] - Quote why should i vote for anyone, once again, as i've stated over and over, the purpose of the CPM isnt to help anyone, its so CCP dosnt have to pay anyone to do their job.
Scan Sweep United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 21	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:06:00 - [14] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: To create a role within a community like this, that has influence over the flow and evolution of the game is stupid and just show's a lack of regard for the player base. CCP tells you they do this because they care, but in actual fact, they do this so they dont have to pay someone to do it. The bottom line is, they should be a part of the community, interacting with all aspects of the world they have created, not just posting generic comments to 1 post out of 100. The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, Get rid of DEV's and CPM tags on the forums and instead, everyone becomes an equal. If CCP dosnt know the desires of their playerbase, and have to elect meaningless roles to do their work for them their game will fail. In other words you don't have even the slightest idea of how important an institution like the CPM is. The CSM, EVE's euquivalent to the CPM, has very impressively proven how important it is to have these people. Without them EVE probably would have died years ago. Not just that the CPM is a completely voluntatary position, it's also worth mentioning that CCP has never changed the game in favor of certain people or corporations. So it doesn't even matter that two CPM are in the same corporation. In addition to that CCP isn't necessarily doing what the CPM/ CSM wants them to do. Their relationship is mostly just about giving feedback. In either direction. It just has to be said that the CPM and the CSM as it's equivalent are not just absolutely unique in the gaming industry, they are also the best that can happen to a gaming community. Especially because they aren't involved in the develpoing process of the game as employees. They aren't influenced in any way and can bring up the community's concerns and point of views in a completely proper way. My advice: Take a look deeper into CSM's history in EVE and you will find out that we all have to be glad that the community can interact with the devolpers directly than instead just having to talk to invisible Devs and GMs on the forums. Final words: It's due to the CPM and their voluntary work during their free time that recent changes have happened in DUST 514 and I really appreciate the passion they invest for all of us as a community. Keep up good work!
Fivetimes Infinity GoonFeet 1095	Posted - 2013.05.20 13:22:00 - [15] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: why should i vote for anyone, once again, as i've stated over and over, the purpose of the CPM isnt to help anyone, its so CCP dosnt have to pay anyone to do their job. You really think CCP is going to entrust the future of its multi-million dollar project to a bunch of weirdos from the Internet?
Abu Stij GoonFeet 124	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:37:00 - [16] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: Creating a higher archy within a competitive gaming circle is only going to lead to its collapse, CCP should know this, hell, anyone can see the aversion people have to authority, thats why they should get off their asses and engage with the community, rather than have middle men to do it for them. The purpose of the CPM is to cut cost's and to stifle the voices of the masses so they cannot make demands or hold the game hostage. Your creating a political system within a computer game, which does the same thing politics ends up doing, dis-empowering the masses It's "hierarchy" not "higher archy", just because your school system failed you isn't an excuse for bastardizing the English language.
Ender Storm GoonFeet 52	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:51:00 - [17] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: why should i vote for anyone, once again, as i've stated over and over, the purpose of the CPM isnt to help anyone, its so CCP dosnt have to pay anyone to do their job. I see no problem with that. Some free travels to Iceland and the power to give organized feedback and MAYBE influence how things turns out seems payment enough fro CSM members.
Abu Stij GoonFeet 124	Posted - 2013.05.20 14:55:00 - [18] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: why should i vote for anyone, once again, as i've stated over and over, the purpose of the CPM isnt to help anyone, its so CCP dosnt have to pay anyone to do their job. The CPM is to be a centralized voice for the community, and to represent the players so that when at the CPM summit CCP shows something hilariously bad there is someone there to say "What? no...god no...please never do that again." Which has happened with CSM summits. If you spent more time looking into the history of how this sort of structure works in CCP games (CSM being the prime example) you'd understand this. Much like in real life politics, if you opt not to vote you only add to the problem and are one of those whiny people who don't want to actively fix any issues and just want to complain over something pointless.
domino 88 GoonFeet 0	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:02:00 - [19] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: Creating a higher archy within a competitive gaming circle is only going to lead to its collapse, CCP should know this, hell, anyone can see the aversion people have to authority, thats why they should get off their asses and engage with the community, rather than have middle men to do it for them. The purpose of the CPM is to cut cost's and to stifle the voices of the masses so they cannot make demands or hold the game hostage. Your creating a political system within a computer game, which does the same thing politics ends up doing, dis-empowering the masses Not sure what 'job' you think the CPM are doing?
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1469	Posted - 2013.05.20 16:29:00 - [20] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: To create a role within a community like this, that has influence over the flow and evolution of the game is stupid and just show's a lack of regard for the player base. CCP tells you they do this because they care, but in actual fact, they do this so they dont have to pay someone to do it. The bottom line is, they should be a part of the community, interacting with all aspects of the world they have created, not just posting generic comments to 1 post out of 100. The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, Get rid of DEV's and CPM tags on the forums and instead, everyone becomes an equal. If CCP dosnt know the desires of their playerbase, and have to elect meaningless roles to do their work for them their game will fail. I think you're very much mistaking our role regarding CCP. CPM is not supposed to dictate the evolution of the game but to add another layer of interaction between the community and the developpers from a 100 % player POV. We dont go around talking devs saying we want this and we want that. But more of what do you plan ? What do you think of this and that ? When is this planned etc.. ? And all those question come from observations we do regarding forum chatters, players in game, or our own vision of the game. But we try very much to put aside what we would wish and what the community seems to wish. Another thing you're lefting out is that current CPM has been picked by CCP but next CPM will be elected by players. How, that's another thing we need to figure out, one of our main missions. So this isnt a lack of regard to the community as you're seem to think it is. It's quite the opposite. We'll only see in due time whether or not this CPM and the next will have a positive impact on the game but until then, a little faith wont hurt. You mention how CCP needs to be more in touch with the community, and with that i couldnt agree more. CPM is actually trying to push them in that direction by being more transparent regarding the changes they bring to the game, even so little, so that the community can give feedback PRIOR to the changes and thus validate or not their intention. CPM can be a usefull tool for both CCP and the community. It is only a matter of trying how to reach that purpose.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4732	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:09:00 - [21] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: That wasn't the CPM, that was just you dude, before CPM, right? being a boss? Most of the current people on CPM was in that chat room when it sorta blew up and Grideries muted everyone for four hours.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1026	Posted - 2013.05.21 03:22:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: That wasn't the CPM, that was just you dude, before CPM, right? being a boss? Most of the current people on CPM was in that chat room when it sorta blew up and Grideries muted everyone for four hours. Key words being "Grideris muted the channel" Grideris. Who isn't on the CPM. Not that clarifying who did what in a story that has no bearing on the CPM in the first place means anything, though :)
Ivy Ivanovic Ivanovski Les Enfants Terribles Sk33t Fl33t 9	Posted - 2013.05.21 05:07:00 - [23] - Quote if you don't understand. You (talk to) -> CPM (talk to) -> CCP For most cases, your ideas of the game will/might be implemented if it's good.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 629	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:22:00 - [24] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, This is inexcusable, and rules have to be put in place for CPM1 so that this doesn't happen again.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1469	Posted - 2013.05.21 12:17:00 - [25] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Choose Your Fighter wrote: The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, This is inexcusable, and rules have to be put in place for CPM1 so that this doesn't happen again. I'm more than curious to know why it's that wrong to have two people in the CPM that are from the same corporation\alliance ?
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1126	Posted - 2013.05.21 12:25:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Choose Your Fighter wrote: To create a role within a community like this, that has influence over the flow and evolution of the game is stupid and just show's a lack of regard for the player base. CCP tells you they do this because they care, but in actual fact, they do this so they dont have to pay someone to do it. The bottom line is, they should be a part of the community, interacting with all aspects of the world they have created, not just posting generic comments to 1 post out of 100. The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, Get rid of DEV's and CPM tags on the forums and instead, everyone becomes an equal. If CCP dosnt know the desires of their playerbase, and have to elect meaningless roles to do their work for them their game will fail. Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. Some people are just more equal than others. We're not machines. Lets get it right The CPM has stopped corps recruiting because they have taken advantage of broken game mechanics in PC for ther own short term gain for themselves, for the corp they rep and also for the alliance that they are in So new player bob doesnt have a chance in hell of geting in a corp which is looking or doing PC and its the same for all new players So yea you are currently causing more harm to the game to feed your ego and wallets
Vin Mora Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 11	Posted - 2013.05.21 13:28:00 - [27] - Quote Arramakaian Eka wrote: Choose Your Fighter wrote: The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, This is inexcusable, and rules have to be put in place for CPM1 so that this doesn't happen again. And whats to stop someone from switch corps into one that another CPM is in, after they are elected?
Scan Sweep United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 21	Posted - 2013.05.21 16:28:00 - [28] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: Arramakaian Eka wrote: Choose Your Fighter wrote: The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, This is inexcusable, and rules have to be put in place for CPM1 so that this doesn't happen again. And whats to stop someone from switch corps into one that another CPM is in, after they are elected? Doesn't matter. Choices were made by CCP. All of you: Deal with it. They have never and will never favor certain people or groups of people. Fact. If you have doubts about their choice - wait until the next elections and it is all at your hands to make your voice heard by voting. As easy as that. CSM has worked very well so far and CPM will most definitely do so too. For all those people who come from other games or have just heard just a few rumours about what exactly the CPM/ CSM is, my advice: CSM Whitepaper Knowledge first, complaining does come afterwards. From my four years of playing EVE I can tell you: There is no need for being sceptical.
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 450	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:56:00 - [29] - Quote wow shut up about CPM members AWOXing, they are players too! This is new eden and if you don't like meta game, go to cod. This is a game where players create the story, no meta game = no story. Everyone does it - just because someone is a CPM member, doesn't mean they have to be priests rabbis or ghandi! Get over it and move on. The CPM is there because this community has proven time and time again since day 1 that the idiots of the community get a bigger reaction than the legit. I've seen it, a lot of the vets have seen it, IRC knows it and I'm pretty sure CCP knows it too. CCP are ***** busy building / fixing . They don't have time to collate feedback from the reams of data (most of it ) to process. Not even the CPM can do that properly, but they are doing a great job at handling the community feedback. The issue at the moment is the lack of trust in them and CCP / CPM should know that the community are stupid (much like this thread) and have no trust for CCP let alone the CPM and will quite happily pull "facts" from their arse. I would say it's probably 75:25 on people who trust the community, but it's miguided people like the op who make threads like this. This is the first CPM, CCP don't give a ** about what corp people are in, I don't care what corp people are in, but it will change in the next CPM. If there are 2 amazing people that deserve to be on the CPM, they shouldn't be denied just because where they come from. Isn't that a form of xenophobia? Move beyond that please.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 238	Posted - 2013.05.25 19:31:00 - [30] - Quote There does seem an inherent lack of understanding of what the role of the CPM is and why CCP feel it necessary to have one. Some of the previous posters have already pointed to Eve's CSM as an example of why this is a good idea. And they are correct to do so. To say that the CSM have been successful would be something of an understatement. However there still seems a belief that the CSM and by extension the CPM are somehow stooges of CCP, under their thrall and unwilling to go toe to toe with the Dev's over important matters. If you read the minutes of the CSM summits and spoken to a few members of previous CSM's and more importantly the dev's, you'll soon find that particular view has no bearing to the actual truth. But first you have to understand what the CSM/CPM aren't. They're not there to come up with ideas, features and whatever else they think might be cool in the game. CCP have people for that and they do it very well. They are not there for the personal gain of themselves or the corp they are in. If any of them were, they'd soon be ignored by not only their fellow members but by CCP as well. Nor is their role to collect a list of items they have read on the forums or sent to them by their constituents (you) and present them as a list of demands to CCP. Again CCP do that already and act on it. Sometimes quickly, more often than not at a glacial pace. What they are is a focusing lens for CCP to look at things from a players perspective. We have a different view of the game than CCP do. They spend their time working on the game, not playing it. Consequently, we find problems with the game that they might never notice or consequences of an action that they never thought of. The CPM play the game. They know how sneaky we can be when it come to finding ways that can break the game. And as the CEO of the first corp to get Awoxed can I say again that I've no problem with the infiltration of a corp to do mischief. That is part of the game and always has been. What I have a problem with is that the current way to do it is too easy to do for one thing. It should take time, skill and patience to do such a move, and the second problem I have with the current way to do it is that its clearly a broken game mechanic. A consequence that CCP hadn't foreseen as a problem because they always forget how sneaky we are. Technically an exploit but I'll let it go because a stop gap measure is coming to plug it. And if I maybe so bold to suggest this, if we had a CPM earlier than we did such a broken mechanic wouldn't have made it in the game in the first place. That in itself should alert players as to the need of a CPM. Another thing that should also be made clear to the detractors of the CPM. They don't get paid. And it's a lot of time and effort that goes into being a member of the CSM/CPM. When the proposal of the CPM was first floated and that fact that it would be a beta version, charged with writing the white paper for it and figuring out the voting method for the first elected one, quite a few people asked me if I'd be interested in that. My answer was no. I know just how much work is involved having spoken to Kelduum Revann about his time on CSM 7. I have a full time job and run one of the largest corps in the game. I currently don't have the time to give the CPM the attention it warrants. Once the roles come in and I can get D-UNI running smoothly with minimal input from me (delegation folks is the key), I may consider running for the elected CPM. But for the time being I felt and still feel that I could do more for the community by helping create a place for the new citizens of New Eden to go to first before they get thrown into the meat grinder. So to sum up, to say that that the CPM is a waste of time is so far removed from the reality that were are in, that it barely registers as a valid point of view. And I'd urge anyone thinking it to seriously re-evaluate their position.

DDDerfinatoRRR Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.05.27 12:48:00 - [31] - Quote CPM = players union. I'd rather be represented than not. having a few voices speak for the many > many voices speaking for many. this is what saves the game from anarchy and chaos.
EXASTRA INVICTAS Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2013.05.28 16:59:00 - [32] - Quote Trying to call the CPM (which is DUST's equivalent of EVE's CSM) irrelevant or a bad idea is blind ignorance. You are overestimating their "control" over game development and underestimating their value in forwarding CCP our thoughts, ideas, concerns, and praises. This CPM was chosen by CCP, so it's not quite what it should be, yet. But come time we will be electing CPM members into the council. At that point it's up to us, the community, to not only run for CPM on issues we feel strongly about, but to vote for those who are in alignment with our thoughts, ideas, concerns, and praises. The CPM is NOT a bad thing that is going to ruin the game. It's going to be one of those silent things that saves it. And nerfs titans into the ground. Because Mittani.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4732	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:17:00 - [33] - Quote I just hope we can get the message to the community that this is a lot of work without pay and no fun and games about it so that 'l33t' players that think they can balance the game out are going to find out that is like the least worrisome thing we do. I do not want to see CSM 1 full of people that want to quit because it hurts their game time.
EXASTRA INVICTAS Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2013.05.28 17:22:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just hope we can get the message to the community that this is a lot of work without pay and no fun and games about it so that 'l33t' players that think they can balance the game out are going to find out that is like the least worrisome thing we do. I do not want to see CSM 1 full of people that want to quit because it hurts their game time. I think a good portion of the community understands CPM and its role based on the majority of replies in this thread. CPM0 and CPM1 are going to be really crucial and everyone is counting on you guys. No pressure.
Vethosis Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 66	Posted - 2013.06.01 18:21:00 - [35] - Quote Also Laurent and Jenza are in the same alliance ( cronos ) and agree on literally everything together because of this. I would know because I was in betamax. and heard those 2 talking.
jenza aranda BetaMax. CRONOS. 1715	Posted - 2013.06.01 18:47:00 - [36] - Quote Vethosis wrote: Also Laurent and Jenza are in the same alliance ( cronos ) and agree on literally everything together because of this. I would know because I was in betamax. and heard those 2 talking. actually this is not true at all while in the council matters, believe it or not but we have our own opinions that can ssometimes agree and disagree. Dont assume to think you have any idea what is spoken about in the private CPM area.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1972	Posted - 2013.06.01 19:56:00 - [37] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Choose Your Fighter wrote: To create a role within a community like this, that has influence over the flow and evolution of the game is stupid and just show's a lack of regard for the player base. CCP tells you they do this because they care, but in actual fact, they do this so they dont have to pay someone to do it. The bottom line is, they should be a part of the community, interacting with all aspects of the world they have created, not just posting generic comments to 1 post out of 100. The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, Get rid of DEV's and CPM tags on the forums and instead, everyone becomes an equal. If CCP dosnt know the desires of their playerbase, and have to elect meaningless roles to do their work for them their game will fail. Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. Some people are just more equal than others. We're not machines. Lets get it right The CPM has stopped corps recruiting because they have taken advantage of broken game mechanics in PC for ther own short term gain for themselves, for the corp they rep and also for the alliance that they are in So new player bob doesnt have a chance in hell of geting in a corp which is looking or doing PC and its the same for all new players So yea you are currently causing more harm to the game to feed your ego and wallets Lets get it right Awoxing would have happened anyway, leading to corps being more observant of security measures and start getting a healthy dose of paranoia. The fact that one of the corps leading the charge happened to have a CPM member at the helm is irrelevant, the CPM are players, and should be expected to act ingame like players, meaning they will do everything in their power to tip the scales in their favor.
jenza aranda BetaMax. CRONOS. 1716	Posted - 2013.06.01 20:40:00 - [38] - Quote gbghg wrote: Lets get it right Awoxing would have happened anyway, leading to corps being more observant of security measures and start getting a healthy dose of paranoia. The fact that one of the corps leading the charge happened to have a CPM member at the helm is irrelevant, the CPM are players, and should be expected to act ingame like players, meaning they will do everything in their power to tip the scales in their favor. thanks for having some ounce of sense, gbghg. Honestly i was considering of a bit of awoxing in the previous build with a certain corp match but there would have been little point and little impact. to be clear, I will never use my position as CPM for the gain of myself my corp or alliance. Not to say one of my coligues hasnt tried
mrunknown2u2 Ill Omens EoN. 45	Posted - 2013.06.01 21:34:00 - [39] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: gbghg wrote: Lets get it right Awoxing would have happened anyway, leading to corps being more observant of security measures and start getting a healthy dose of paranoia. The fact that one of the corps leading the charge happened to have a CPM member at the helm is irrelevant, the CPM are players, and should be expected to act ingame like players, meaning they will do everything in their power to tip the scales in their favor. thanks for having some ounce of sense, gbghg. Honestly i was considering of a bit of awoxing in the previous build with a certain corp match but there would have been little point and little impact. to be clear, I will never use my position as CPM for the gain of myself my corp or alliance. Not to say one of my coligues hasnt tried too bad failmax sucks at every thing i will see you wiped on the pc map before next weekend
4447 Not Guilty EoN. 750	Posted - 2013.06.12 01:38:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Choose Your Fighter wrote: To create a role within a community like this, that has influence over the flow and evolution of the game is stupid and just show's a lack of regard for the player base. CCP tells you they do this because they care, but in actual fact, they do this so they dont have to pay someone to do it. The bottom line is, they should be a part of the community, interacting with all aspects of the world they have created, not just posting generic comments to 1 post out of 100. The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, Get rid of DEV's and CPM tags on the forums and instead, everyone becomes an equal. If CCP dosnt know the desires of their playerbase, and have to elect meaningless roles to do their work for them their game will fail. Well... if it where not for people like myself you wouldn't be in a corp for up until... 5 days ago. Some people are just more equal than others. We're not machines. good job mate +1 I really don't know what nova knife does in the CPM. if it wasn't for wolf i don't know where the CPM would be...

4447 Not Guilty EoN. 750	Posted - 2013.06.12 01:42:00 - [41] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: gbghg wrote: Lets get it right Awoxing would have happened anyway, leading to corps being more observant of security measures and start getting a healthy dose of paranoia. The fact that one of the corps leading the charge happened to have a CPM member at the helm is irrelevant, the CPM are players, and should be expected to act ingame like players, meaning they will do everything in their power to tip the scales in their favor. thanks for having some ounce of sense, gbghg. Honestly i was considering of a bit of awoxing in the previous build with a certain corp match but there would have been little point and little impact. to be clear, I will never use my position as CPM for the gain of myself my corp or alliance. Jenza, i'm giving free lesson on how to play Dust 514 if you want them?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1542	Posted - 2013.06.13 01:25:00 - [42] - Quote Choose Your Fighter wrote: The fact that 2 CPM's are members of the same corp speaks leaps and bounds. The role should be filled by an impartial body, I thought you were going to mention the fact that 2 CPMs are only ever seen with occasional vague worthless posts on only this forum.
Travis Snyders Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2013.06.18 01:34:00 - [43] - Quote New Players Please Watch
4447 Not Guilty EoN. 750	Posted - 2013.06.18 12:21:00 - [44] - Quote Travis Snyders wrote: New Players Please Watch Help me understand your post... I my be a troll on these forums, but i don't get this ps2 thing? Have you seen the cost of the weapons on ps2?
Courbyn Johnson Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.18 14:36:00 - [45] - Quote I support the CSM/CPM system (Contemplated running for CSM about a year ago). Makes sure the base is heard loud and clear. Also, let's see how CCP handles elections when that time of year comes back around in a few months.
Genome Kipnis Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.06.19 23:06:00 - [46] - Quote Cpm is a good idea
Eddie Rio The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 33	Posted - 2013.06.21 12:39:00 - [47] - Quote this was a fascinating read, firstly,, CPM is a great idea! A group of dedicated players of the game, voted for by the players of the game to put forward issues to the developers of the game... what's not to like about that? highs and lows will happen. we have seen all sorts of drama with the CSM of eve and long should it prevail! throughout it all I like to think its a good thing, I am looking forward to the first 'elections', going to be great to see people stand up and state their case to win my vote :)
Gorgoth24Reborn Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.06.26 06:07:00 - [48] - Quote This was a very informative read. I'm surprised at all the backlash at the CPM, as the idea has proven to be incredibly useful in EVE. This post seemed to be the most incredulous to me Fivetimes Infinity wrote: You really think CCP is going to entrust the future of its multi-million dollar project to a bunch of weirdos from the Internet? The answer is, overwhelmingly, YES. CCP built EVE on the basis of player-dev interaction, and the result has been the longest running continually more successful MMO in existence. They realized long ago that they are too small and too out-spent by the big shots to compete without letting the community carry some of the workload. The result is a strong interaction between the hive mind of internet forums, the common-sense perspective of the CPM in sorting the constructive from the troll, and the valuable bouncing of ideas to and from the devs. The CPM will most likely make or break this game given its position in the player feedback chain. Even if you don't like the idea of them, at least be constructive.


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