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Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.20 02:15:00 -
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We used to have camera sights.
But players asked for iron sights because of this being a game, and not the future, and an FPS game at that. And they say that iron sights are just an FPS thing. You sort of have to do it.
But hey, in some old science fiction movies the guys flying the spaceships used to use a slide rule to figure out some spacship stuff.
Make of that what you will. |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
350
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Posted - 2013.05.20 02:19:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Iron/default Sites will never go away you twack. You need a default aiming object in place always. We will get different sites and other **** like that soon, it just hasn't come in yet.
typo: sites -> sights. Well you couldve just edit the sites to sight instead of putting typo- Cmon KIRK.... . Damn..
This is a friendly wasup kirk long time...
- Geth |
Avinash Decker
BetaMax. CRONOS.
41
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Posted - 2013.05.20 02:36:00 -
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There are some games that have implants in soldiers that gave them a zoom ability , so the guns didn't have any iron sights on them because they became obsolete. I don't know if aiming down sights is even possible with full body armor like in these sci fi games , because I heard aiming down sights with masks on was hard as hell. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
306
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Posted - 2013.05.20 09:16:00 -
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Nordac Striker wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:That's not the point I was making. The point is, they are as good today as they are ever going to get. Iron sights were first illuminated with a spot of bright green paint back in the 60s. Today, we use glow in the dark stuff which was developed in the 70s. I will have to disagree with you on this one. The fact that just about every U.S. Service Person that goes into a combat zone today is issued night vision equipment goes against your 'cheap' theory. I know... I was a GS-11 that dealt with that stuff. On top of that, being a Vietnam Combat Veteran with over 12 years of service as U.S. Marine Corp Infantry/Special Missions, the amount and cost of the equipment U.S. Service Personal drag around is a lot. Hell, I watched them test and issue weatherproofed computer keyboards that could be strapped to the Service Personnel's chest for data entry. You want to guess the cost of that? This was part of the Future Combat System the U.S. Military is using and developing now. However, what is real today may or may not reflect in today's FPS's... especially the futuristic ones. But I do find it ironic that one would spend so much ISK on a Dust Dropsuit, its Equipment and Weapons... and then just give out iron sights [grins]. But hey, this is a game and people come here to have fun. So whatever is wanted by the players. So I understand and agree that iron sights are here to stay, as I mentioned in one of my replies above. I just would like to see a more futuristic touch to the way weapons are used in Dust 514... else, it just ends up being another FPS, imo. That is all I am saying. I also understand Dust is still in the development phase and who knows what it will look like a year from now... or even ten... right? Perhaps discussions like this will help. FCS was terminated as of 2009. |
mongahu
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 09:25:00 -
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We had acogs on all guns a year ago and some fuckmook thought it was a good ideacto remove them. This was stupid. All future guns should at the very least be as good in range accuracy and technology asxwhat we shoot terrorists with now incrustation 21st century... there is no excuses unless they are planing on making gun customization a thing which I have not heard anything to this effect nor would I guess they are going this route. Too much complexity IMO. Bottom line future guns should not have iron sites that's stupid. |
Gemini Reynolds
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2013.05.20 09:44:00 -
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Once, in the early, dark days of Beta, one could watch the attacking MCC stride slowly and steadily across the fields of war. Those were glorious days, when soldiers fought and danced the twirling dance of death. And upon the weapons of these soldiers were cameras, tiny eyes capable of showing distant foes to he that chose to look upon them. These were, of course, the dark days for there was trouble upon the horizon.
The infamous Launchers of Swarm killed all who stood in their path, save they that wielded them. The heavies were nigh unto godlike tanks wherein many lesser an opponent was required to fell them. Working together with thy blue brethren was to be considered a rarity nigh unto heretical. Whence one might find the comforting speech of a fellow soldier, one might instead find waves of warbling noise that in these young and untested times might one day come to be known as the blight called "the steps of dub".
These problems brought unrest to those early cloned brethren, but none, seemingly so, as the gun-mounted eye. "It is an unnatural abomination!" cried they. "Surely no true soldier would be thusly satisfied that they were incapable of seeing the weapon they so chose to wield!" And the cries grew louder and louder in an incessant cacophony.
The din would grow so loud that the very gods themselves took heed. "Piteous clones," spake they, "Your cries have been heard thus. Your lack of satisfaction with your granted gun-eye is noted in the annals of the Land of Ice. Mighty High Shang shall thusly descend to thy aid."
And so it was, that from thence forward, the Codex was thusly writ that all soldier, no matter the race, creed, nor faith, should fight as a Minmatar would, with sights of Iron.
The lesson, children, is thus: Be cautious for which thy seeketh the intervention of the gods, for they are not kind, nor are they merciful. They will give thee thy wish but as has been spake of in the scrolls before. Take care for what thou wish, thy may acquire it. |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
291
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Posted - 2013.05.20 09:46:00 -
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People cried for iron sights. CCP answered.
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Gemini Reynolds
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2013.05.20 10:48:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:People cried for iron sights. CCP answered.
I just said that. |
Succendo
Goonfeet
8
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Posted - 2013.05.20 10:57:00 -
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Iron sights are handsome as the devil. They are like a tuxedo for your gun. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1596
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:25:00 -
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mongahu wrote:We had acogs on all guns a year ago and some fuckmook thought it was a good ideacto remove them. This was stupid. All future guns should at the very least be as good in range accuracy and technology asxwhat we shoot terrorists with now incrustation 21st century... there is no excuses unless they are planing on making gun customization a thing which I have not heard anything to this effect nor would I guess they are going this route. Too much complexity IMO. Bottom line future guns should not have iron sites that's stupid. They weren't ACOG sights, they were cameras linked to our helmets. The issue was that the camera sights were eventually improved in their appearance and fuctionality, but as part of that the visible end of the gun was removed from the picture. Then you started having people talking about "breaking immersion" and making long threads about red-dot or ironsights. |
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Panther Alpha
WarRavens
243
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:31:00 -
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Nordac Striker wrote:One of the complaints that I had with Planetside 2 was that in some ways it just did not feel like a futuristic FPS game. Most of the equipment used just seemed like no better than what we have in the present day military... and sometimes even worse. PS2 just did not have that futuristic feel that I would have expected.
I will give Dust some credit here, as it does feel like the future... except for iron sights. In the future, I do not see a place for iron sights at all. I would think that every weapon would at least have some sort of sighting device that was a tad better... even if it was a simple x2 sight. Perhaps even a red indicator when aiming in on an enemy soldier. But I am sorry... the iron sights in Dust just seem so out of place... just not the right feel for me.
But you don't understand.... AR needs to have Iron Sights, because other hows they will be to OP.... [ Sarcasm ].. and one more.. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1596
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:35:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Nordac Striker wrote:One of the complaints that I had with Planetside 2 was that in some ways it just did not feel like a futuristic FPS game. Most of the equipment used just seemed like no better than what we have in the present day military... and sometimes even worse. PS2 just did not have that futuristic feel that I would have expected.
I will give Dust some credit here, as it does feel like the future... except for iron sights. In the future, I do not see a place for iron sights at all. I would think that every weapon would at least have some sort of sighting device that was a tad better... even if it was a simple x2 sight. Perhaps even a red indicator when aiming in on an enemy soldier. But I am sorry... the iron sights in Dust just seem so out of place... just not the right feel for me.
But you don't understand.... AR needs to have Iron Sights, because other hows they will be to OP.... [ Sarcasm ].. and one more.. Funny thing is as soon as they were implemented, everyone started saying they were given ironsights to nerf them because CCP hates "slayers". |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
244
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:45:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Nordac Striker wrote:One of the complaints that I had with Planetside 2 was that in some ways it just did not feel like a futuristic FPS game. Most of the equipment used just seemed like no better than what we have in the present day military... and sometimes even worse. PS2 just did not have that futuristic feel that I would have expected.
I will give Dust some credit here, as it does feel like the future... except for iron sights. In the future, I do not see a place for iron sights at all. I would think that every weapon would at least have some sort of sighting device that was a tad better... even if it was a simple x2 sight. Perhaps even a red indicator when aiming in on an enemy soldier. But I am sorry... the iron sights in Dust just seem so out of place... just not the right feel for me.
But you don't understand.... AR needs to have Iron Sights, because other hows they will be to OP.... [ Sarcasm ].. and one more.. Funny thing is as soon as they were implemented, everyone started saying they were given ironsights to nerf them because CCP hates "slayers".
In the other hand, i rather have the iron sights, than the green annoying scopes that the TAC and Burst have... The "nerfing" culture in this game, is just ridiculous...soon we going to have scopes that goes on and off every time you shoot... how much you want to bet ? |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
528
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:55:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We also been in space for 400 years. we're not that 'future-istic' Come on, we can hurl hot bolts of plasma at super speed and make super clone soldiers but we can't figure out a future scope. Come onnnnnnnnn. ...please don't ban me. lol dude.
This is exactly what CCP implemented at the beginning and it worked great and really contributed to the immersion factor.
But they changed it due to all the wailing from the fps 'elites'.
So don't worry about getting banned - you're just asking for what CCP gave us originally. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
612
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:29:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Iron/default Sites will never go away you twack. You need a default aiming object in place always. We will get different sites and other **** like that soon, it just hasn't come in yet.
typo: sites -> sights. Well you couldve just edit the sites to sight instead of putting typo- Cmon KIRK.... . Damn.. This is a friendly wasup kirk long time... - Geth lol hey Geth, long time no see. I'm graduate now hahah! Finally! I've been partying hard since then.
We should get together for a lovely stroll through manus peak sometime. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
281
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Posted - 2013.05.20 16:59:00 -
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according to fitting screens your suit is directly connected with your weapon, why would you put the scope on the gun when your suits HUD can have it. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
454
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:26:00 -
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Its true iron sights make no sense in this game. If you argue....its a backup incase the battery dies...well your suit is running the freakin gun. If the sight doesnt work because it doesnt have enough juice then your suit is also powerless and thus you are dead. Iron sights should have never been introduced as it was a dumb idea. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
379
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:33:00 -
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I think the idea that we even carry guns is fairly old fashion. The modern war is dominated by surgical strikes and elite special forces.
Umm.. Why wouldn't future combat just be massive collections of Drone soldiers. Why have 1 gun, when you could have a fleet of drones with little lasers to melt people's faces and get into tiny places and be almost invisible to any kind of detection?
So... if we are gonna have a gun... having an Iron Sight on it isn't a big deal since none of it is realistic anyways. |
Succendo
Goonfeet
9
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:08:00 -
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Iron sights will always be A Thing, as they afford peripheral vision not afforded by the use of scopes.
Also they look cool. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
7
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Posted - 2013.05.20 20:20:00 -
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I support the function of having the option to put a scope on your weapon ....or not, there everyone is happy end of discussion |
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