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SleezyBigSlim
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:19:00 -
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Because putting a scope on an Ar would be too easy duh! |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
300
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:23:00 -
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Well, we might as well get rid of all Minmatar weapons. They all use modern technology (I.E gun powder). We can't go overly futuristic or the game gets too boring, not to mention easy. |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1202
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:27:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Well, we might as well get rid of all Minmatar weapons. They all use modern technology (I.E gun powder). We can't go overly futuristic or the game gets too boring, not to mention easy. Funny thing, the minmatar SMG and I assume AR has an awesome sight. And it's not a scope. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
77
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:37:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Nordac Striker wrote:Thanks for the name calling... great conversational encouragement... or did I use too big of words here for you to understand?
...and what makes you think iron sights will not go away eventually? Seems a bit presumptuous. Oh there I go again with the big words again... sorry. Iron sights are a cheap and effective way of providing simple sighting for infantry. By today's standards, the basic design hasn't changed for a hundred years, except these days, we have the ability to illuminate them for low-light conditions. That's the only advance we've made. These are weapons that are designed to be cheap and disposable. Anything other than iron sights on the front line of a battlefield is just an expensive loss waiting to happen. Of course, eventually, you'll be able to customise these weapons a little as well, so you'll be able to choose what you're willing to lose each time you die, and how much it's going to cost. FYI, a soldier that can learn to aim with iron sights alone will become a better marksman faster than if he or she starts with scoping equipment. SEE, the iron sights should do that. More future stuff! I agree 100% with op but not on how to get there. You hit it on the spot though, the design hasn't changed but we've made advances. So, art team go!
That's not the point I was making. The point is, they are as good today as they are ever going to get. Iron sights were first illuminated with a spot of bright green paint back in the 60s. Today, we use glow in the dark stuff which was developed in the 70s. |
Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
90
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:42:00 -
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I feel like the AR could do with the cool flip-up sight the minmatar smg has. Howeve, I believe it has more to do with racial design philosophy than function. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
77
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:49:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:I feel like the AR could do with the cool flip-up sight the minmatar smg has. Howeve, I believe it has more to do with racial design philosophy than function.
Those kinds of sights are handy for SMGs and generally used on them as a directional aid. They are not accurate though, neither are they intended to be. Iron sights are redundant because the barrel is too short, and the SMG is technically a "bullet hose" spray-and-pray or short range suppression weapon. It's good for snipers who get dropped and need to make a break for it. Use it to make your enemy take cover, then run like hell and relocate. The RDS (red dot sight) is better for quick reference sighting than actual aiming. The iron sights on a rifle, when used well, can be very helpful. Honestly, on an assault rifle, I prefer them because you don't get the tunnel vision you do from a scope so you still have a good field of view even when aiming down sights. |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:53:00 -
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every kind of sights is redundant, because suits like the caldari don't even seem to have eyes to begin with. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
77
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:56:00 -
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Karl Koekwaus wrote:every kind of sights is redundant, because suits like the caldari don't even seem to have eyes to begin with.
Your trolling is redundant. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
300
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:57:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Well, we might as well get rid of all Minmatar weapons. They all use modern technology (I.E gun powder). We can't go overly futuristic or the game gets too boring, not to mention easy. Funny thing, the minmatar SMG and I assume AR has an awesome sight. And it's not a scope. True and the locus grenade is analog primed (like a watch). At the end of the day, it is a balancing feature. Some weapons have worse sights, to make it harder to aim, while some weapons like the SMG have good sights even though, it does not help them much. Just a balancing feature. |
Dust HaHakoke
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:13:00 -
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if you want advanced tech in new eden the jove are the way to go not that you can play as one... ever but out of the empires they are the most advanced. When the other empires were living in caves the jove were space fairing |
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
89
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:15:00 -
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But but but...that would turn dust into a CoD clone...WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
/sarc
I like all the old demo videos people have been posting over the last 2 days....and how in everyone of them ARs have red dot sights. |
Nordac Striker
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:20:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:That's not the point I was making. The point is, they are as good today as they are ever going to get. Iron sights were first illuminated with a spot of bright green paint back in the 60s. Today, we use glow in the dark stuff which was developed in the 70s.
I will have to disagree with you on this one. The fact that just about every U.S. Service Person that goes into a combat zone today is issued night vision equipment goes against your 'cheap' theory. I know... I was a GS-11 that dealt with that stuff. On top of that, being a Vietnam Combat Veteran with over 12 years of service as U.S. Marine Corp Infantry/Special Missions, the amount and cost of the equipment U.S. Service Personal drag around is a lot. Hell, I watched them test and issue weatherproofed computer keyboards that could be strapped to the Service Personnel's chest for data entry. You want to guess the cost of that? This was part of the Future Combat System the U.S. Military is using and developing now.
However, what is real today may or may not reflect in today's FPS's... especially the futuristic ones. But I do find it ironic that one would spend so much ISK on a Dust Dropsuit, its Equipment and Weapons... and then just give out iron sights [grins]. But hey, this is a game and people come here to have fun. So whatever is wanted by the players. So I understand and agree that iron sights are here to stay, as I mentioned in one of my replies above.
I just would like to see a more futuristic touch to the way weapons are used in Dust 514... else, it just ends up being another FPS, imo. That is all I am saying. I also understand Dust is still in the development phase and who knows what it will look like a year from now... or even ten... right? Perhaps discussions like this will help.
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Preacher Death 2
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
25
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:21:00 -
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Iron sights make a lot of sense in a world of the super high tech. Keep it simple with iron sights and tritium sights to reduce failure in combat. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1581
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:21:00 -
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hooc order wrote:But but but...that would turn dust into a CoD clone...WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
/sarc
I like all the old demo videos people have been posting over the last 2 days....and how in everyone of them ARs have red dot sights. As long as they never use that crappy weapon design. Looked like a cheap ripoff of the XM8. |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:25:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:every kind of sights is redundant, because suits like the caldari don't even seem to have eyes to begin with. Your trolling is redundant.
If stating the obvious is Trolling, I might be Jet Li
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Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
77
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:27:00 -
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Nordac Striker wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:That's not the point I was making. The point is, they are as good today as they are ever going to get. Iron sights were first illuminated with a spot of bright green paint back in the 60s. Today, we use glow in the dark stuff which was developed in the 70s. I will have to disagree with you on this one. The fact that just about every U.S. Service Person that goes into a combat zone today is issued night vision equipment goes against your 'cheap' theory. I know... I was a GS-11 that dealt with that stuff. On top of that, being a Vietnam Combat Veteran with over 12 years of service as U.S. Marine Corp Infantry/Special Missions, the amount and cost of the equipment U.S. Service Personal drag around is a lot. Hell, I watched them test and issue weatherproofed computer keyboards that could be strapped to the Service Personnel's chest for data entry. You want to guess the cost of that? This was part of the Future Combat System the U.S. Military is using and developing now. However, what is real today may or may not reflect in today's FPS's... especially the futuristic ones. But I do find it ironic that one would spend so much ISK on a Dust Dropsuit, its Equipment and Weapons... and then just give out iron sights [grins]. But hey, this is a game and people come here to have fun. So whatever is wanted by the players. So I understand and agree that iron sights are here to stay, as I mentioned in one of my replies above. I just would like to see a more futuristic touch to the way weapons are used in Dust 514... else, it just ends up being another FPS, imo. That is all I am saying. I also understand Dust is still in the development phase and who knows what it will look like a year from now... or even ten... right? Perhaps discussions like this will help.
Well, in the Australian army, you're trained for combat without having to rely on fancy equipment, even though you get it later anyway. Of course, we all know the US spends way too much on military, and the government really only cares about the death of a soldier because it costs them money in the equipment that goes down with them (no disrespect to the servicemen intended), so they aren't really the best example of effective, efficient fighters, just an example of how to beat your enemy with superior firepower and/or technology alone. Everyone being issued night vision equipment does not go against the idea of making warfare as cheap as possible through expendability. It only makes your soldiers more expensive to lose. |
Nordac Striker
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:07:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Well, in the Australian army, you're trained for combat without having to rely on fancy equipment, even though you get it later anyway. Of course, we all know the US spends way too much on military, and the government really only cares about the death of a soldier because it costs them money in the equipment that goes down with them (no disrespect to the servicemen intended), so they aren't really the best example of effective, efficient fighters, just an example of how to beat your enemy with superior firepower and/or technology alone. Everyone being issued night vision equipment does not go against the idea of making warfare as cheap as possible through expendability. It only makes your soldiers more expensive to lose.
When I was in Vietnam in '68-69, I had two R&R's in Sidney. Great city and people. I loved going there. You Aussies also maintained a battalion in Vietnam as well, I believe. I am sure they served with distinction. I would expect nothing less.
I think we can both agree that an army that is better equipped and trained will usually do well against a poorly equipped and trained one... until modern unconventional warfare. Having personally felt the sting of knowing where I once stood as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam is now controlled by the enemy is not a good feeling. But then, Vietnam is a major producer of Kenyan coffee... so that is an unexpected plus.
However, I would hope that a Warrior that is more expensive to lose would be deployed a tad more carefully, so that is a big plus... don't you think?. As for U.S. Service Personnel not being an example of effective and efficient fighters... I just hope you do not have to run up against one of us to find out. I think you will find we are just as deadly with or without the technology. I had qualified as an expert with the M16 using the old iron sights many times over... and one would need to be more than 500 meters away from me not to be in my personal killing zone. I was generally 10/10 at the 460m line on a man size target. When it comes to marksmanship, never question the U.S. Marines. Our history stands for itself. We do not need a computer to put a round between someone's running lights. The German's in WWI did not call us Devil Dogs for nothing. It was because our 1903 Springfields were hitting them at 700-800 yards. Put a little scope on our rifles, and we are really nasty. Technology only adds to our effectiveness... it does not replace it.
So anyway, back to Dust... Sorry for the rant.
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
90
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:09:00 -
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Preacher Death 2 wrote:Iron sights make a lot of sense in a world of the super high tech. Keep it simple with iron sights and tritium sights to reduce failure in combat.
You missed the obvious point.
ARs use Iron sights when plenty of other weapons have better sights.
Even the internal logic of saying "this is the far future, who knows how weapons will evolve" does not work.
Why can't i take the AGOG sights off my TAC and put it on my regular AR again?
Why can't i put the scrambler sights on my AR again?
Why can't i take off the sights of my sniper rifle and use it as a high powered mid range weapon again? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1582
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:14:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Preacher Death 2 wrote:Iron sights make a lot of sense in a world of the super high tech. Keep it simple with iron sights and tritium sights to reduce failure in combat. You missed the obvious point. ARs use Iron sights when plenty of other weapons have better sights. Even the internal logic of saying "this is the far future, who knows how weapons will evolve" does not work. Why can't i take the AGOG sights off my TAC and put it on my regular AR again? Why can't i put the scrambler sights on my AR again? Why can't i take off the sights of my sniper rifle and use it as a high powered mid range weapon again? I can't wait till weapon customization comes out and renders this all moot. The ironsight guys can enjoy them all they want, and the rest of us can use sights that actually make sense. |
Nordac Striker
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:22:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:I can't wait till weapon customization comes out and renders this all moot. The ironsight guys can enjoy them all they want, and the rest of us can use sights that actually make sense.
Here, here!!!... well stated [grins].
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11Up3Down
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:22:00 -
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Nordac Striker wrote:T
...and what makes you think iron sights will not go away eventually? Seems a bit presumptuous.
In 500+ years of the gun, not much has changed about it. We still use a black powder and projectile system and the only great improvement to weapons in those 500 years of barrel rifling. Iron sights or Patridge Sights have been around since the 1800's. So it's pretty safe to assume that while different SCOPES have been invented, Iron Sights will ALWAYS be around, they are a fundamental part of guns and if you are unable to shot 35 meters without a SCOPE then perhaps you should go back to COD.
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11Up3Down
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:34:00 -
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Nordac Striker wrote: When I was in Vietnam in '68-69, I had two R&R's in Sidney. Great city and people. I loved going there. You Aussies also maintained a battalion in Vietnam as well, I believe. I am sure they served with distinction. I would expect nothing less.
I think we can both agree that an army that is better equipped and trained will usually do well against a poorly equipped and trained one... until modern unconventional warfare. Having personally felt the sting of knowing where I once stood as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam is now controlled by the enemy is not a good feeling. But then, Vietnam is a major producer of Kenyan coffee... so that is an unexpected plus.
However, I would hope that a Warrior that is more expensive to lose would be deployed a tad more carefully, so that is a big plus... don't you think?. As for U.S. Service Personnel not being an example of effective and efficient fighters... I just hope you do not have to run up against one of us to find out. I think you will find we are just as deadly with or without the technology. I had qualified as an expert with the M16 using the old iron sights many times over... and one would need to be more than 500 meters away from me not to be in my personal killing zone. I was generally 10/10 at the 460m line on a man size target. When it comes to marksmanship, never question the U.S. Marines. Our history stands for itself. We do not need a computer to put a round between someone's running lights. The Germans in WWI did not call us 'Devil Dogs' for nothing. It was because our 1903 Springfields were hitting them at 700-800 yards. Put a little scope on our rifles, and we are really nasty. Technology only adds to our effectiveness... it does not replace it.
So anyway, back to Dust... Sorry for the rant.
Well said. As an Army and Navy vet, having been deployed to both Kosovo/Bosnia and Iraqi Freedom I can tell you boys and girls that US Troops are not trained in using weapon scopes in basic training, we are and were trained to use Iron Sights on we had to do our semi-annual (Army) weapon qualifications with Iron Sights. I dare say that a properly trained Army or Marine soldier with a properly sighted in weapon will consistently outperform a scope user within visual range.
Iron Sights allow for better CQB than scopes do, even red dots. A soldier moving with his weapon in the ready position can aim and fire more accurately than a scope user. The brain has a tendency to want to position the cross hair or red dot, while with an Iron Sight, what the brain sees the brain gets, there is no visual tomfoolery going on for the brain to compensate for. That being said, there is a place for scopes in weapon uses, but scopes can never replace iron sights for quick action aim and fire.
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Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
79
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:43:00 -
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11Up3Down wrote:Nordac Striker wrote: When I was in Vietnam in '68-69, I had two R&R's in Sidney. Great city and people. I loved going there. You Aussies also maintained a battalion in Vietnam as well, I believe. I am sure they served with distinction. I would expect nothing less.
I think we can both agree that an army that is better equipped and trained will usually do well against a poorly equipped and trained one... until modern unconventional warfare. Having personally felt the sting of knowing where I once stood as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam is now controlled by the enemy is not a good feeling. But then, Vietnam is a major producer of Kenyan coffee... so that is an unexpected plus.
However, I would hope that a Warrior that is more expensive to lose would be deployed a tad more carefully, so that is a big plus... don't you think?. As for U.S. Service Personnel not being an example of effective and efficient fighters... I just hope you do not have to run up against one of us to find out. I think you will find we are just as deadly with or without the technology. I had qualified as an expert with the M16 using the old iron sights many times over... and one would need to be more than 500 meters away from me not to be in my personal killing zone. I was generally 10/10 at the 460m line on a man size target. When it comes to marksmanship, never question the U.S. Marines. Our history stands for itself. We do not need a computer to put a round between someone's running lights. The Germans in WWI did not call us 'Devil Dogs' for nothing. It was because our 1903 Springfields were hitting them at 700-800 yards. Put a little scope on our rifles, and we are really nasty. Technology only adds to our effectiveness... it does not replace it.
So anyway, back to Dust... Sorry for the rant.
Well said. As an Army and Navy vet, having been deployed to both Kosovo/Bosnia and Iraqi Freedom I can tell you boys and girls that US Troops are not trained in using weapon scopes in basic training, we are and were trained to use Iron Sights on we had to do our semi-annual (Army) weapon qualifications with Iron Sights. I dare say that a properly trained Army or Marine soldier with a properly sighted in weapon will consistently outperform a scope user within visual range. Iron Sights allow for better CQB than scopes do, even red dots. A soldier moving with his weapon in the ready position can aim and fire more accurately than a scope user. The brain has a tendency to want to position the cross hair or red dot, while with an Iron Sight, what the brain sees the brain gets, there is no visual tomfoolery going on for the brain to compensate for. That being said, there is a place for scopes in weapon uses, but scopes can never replace iron sights for quick action aim and fire.
And as I stated earlier as well, iron sights don't limit your field of view quite as much as a scope does.
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
302
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:51:00 -
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Speaking of "futuristic" what's with the wire running up to the scope on the sniper rifle... the thing looks almost home made. |
11Up3Down
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:53:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:11Up3Down wrote:Nordac Striker wrote: When I was in Vietnam in '68-69, I had two R&R's in Sidney. Great city and people. I loved going there. You Aussies also maintained a battalion in Vietnam as well, I believe. I am sure they served with distinction. I would expect nothing less.
I think we can both agree that an army that is better equipped and trained will usually do well against a poorly equipped and trained one... until modern unconventional warfare. Having personally felt the sting of knowing where I once stood as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam is now controlled by the enemy is not a good feeling. But then, Vietnam is a major producer of Kenyan coffee... so that is an unexpected plus.
However, I would hope that a Warrior that is more expensive to lose would be deployed a tad more carefully, so that is a big plus... don't you think?. As for U.S. Service Personnel not being an example of effective and efficient fighters... I just hope you do not have to run up against one of us to find out. I think you will find we are just as deadly with or without the technology. I had qualified as an expert with the M16 using the old iron sights many times over... and one would need to be more than 500 meters away from me not to be in my personal killing zone. I was generally 10/10 at the 460m line on a man size target. When it comes to marksmanship, never question the U.S. Marines. Our history stands for itself. We do not need a computer to put a round between someone's running lights. The Germans in WWI did not call us 'Devil Dogs' for nothing. It was because our 1903 Springfields were hitting them at 700-800 yards. Put a little scope on our rifles, and we are really nasty. Technology only adds to our effectiveness... it does not replace it.
So anyway, back to Dust... Sorry for the rant.
Well said. As an Army and Navy vet, having been deployed to both Kosovo/Bosnia and Iraqi Freedom I can tell you boys and girls that US Troops are not trained in using weapon scopes in basic training, we are and were trained to use Iron Sights on we had to do our semi-annual (Army) weapon qualifications with Iron Sights. I dare say that a properly trained Army or Marine soldier with a properly sighted in weapon will consistently outperform a scope user within visual range. Iron Sights allow for better CQB than scopes do, even red dots. A soldier moving with his weapon in the ready position can aim and fire more accurately than a scope user. The brain has a tendency to want to position the cross hair or red dot, while with an Iron Sight, what the brain sees the brain gets, there is no visual tomfoolery going on for the brain to compensate for. That being said, there is a place for scopes in weapon uses, but scopes can never replace iron sights for quick action aim and fire. And as I stated earlier as well, iron sights don't limit your field of view quite as much as a scope does.
Nope, in fact with Iron Sights (IRL) you can aim and shot with both eyes open. With a scope the brain gets conflicting visual information when both eyes are open. In game only the gun rail is seen with iron sights, with scopes the entire middle of the screen is blocked from view with the exception of the forced tunnel vision. |
Setaceous Prime
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:55:00 -
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If we're talking about rifle scopes from the future, why aren't they built into our eyes? We're purpose built war clones after all. On a more serious note, why has my SR not got this: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/17000-linux-powered-rifle-brings-auto-aim-to-the-real-world/
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Nordac Striker
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:03:00 -
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11Up3Down wrote:In 500+ years of the gun, not much has changed about it. We still use a black powder and projectile system and the only great improvement to weapons in those 500 years of barrel rifling. Iron sights or Patridge Sights have been around since the 1800's. So it's pretty safe to assume that while different SCOPES have been invented, Iron Sights will ALWAYS be around, they are a fundamental part of guns and if you are unable to shot 35 meters without a SCOPE then perhaps you should go back to COD.
I am sorry, but you are dead wrong about this. If you knew anything about sniping, you would not had said this. The idea of placing a round down range has changed... with the invention of scopes and night vision devices. The invention of the boat-tail round in the early 1900's improved range and accuracy out to 600 yards because of aerodynamics. Using high powered rounds increased round stability out to 800 yards for the 7.62 rounds. One of the exercises I used for my snipers when I was a U,S. Marine STA Platoon Sergeant was putting out a cigarette at 300m at night using a night vision scope. If you do not have any idea of the difference between hitting at a distance with iron sights verses a scope, then I am wasting my time speaking to you.
When it comes to close combat for real, I have never used iron sights. I have always used the 1" above the sights rule... and it is very effective out to 100m... where firing from the hip is only about 25m. But there is no equivalent to this in Dust. In Dust Close Combat, firing from the hip is generally one's best option if one is not fully prepared for an enemy being dead center in front of them. This is to get a quick shot off to hit the enemy before they hit you. This is why I say RPM and quick reactions is the big thing in FPS games when close in. What I try to do is learn to put my target dead center on my computer screen when I fire... that is usually the point of impact, not the end of the weapon. So I use my Light or Heavy Weapon at range, and my Sidearm when close in. For me, this is an assault weapon for range and a SMG for close in.
As for going back to CoD... sorry... no dice. I am going to stay here and make life miserable for the likes of you. When I kill you, you can proudly say you were just outgunned by a 63 year old man.
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
609
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:28:00 -
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Nordac Striker wrote:Thanks for the name calling... great conversational encouragement... or did I use too big of words here for you to understand?
...and what makes you think iron sights will not go away eventually? Seems a bit presumptuous. Oh there I go again with the big words again... sorry. whoops, typo, sights, not site.
heheh great way to sound pretentious, twack, didn't mean to hurt your feelings. To answer the second part it's because of what was already mentioned before, you will always need a default aiming device.
No matter how far off in the future you are standard handheld infantry weapons will always need a failsafe option for manual aiming. That statement is not presumptuous in anyway.
Also to the person that took the phrase "default sights" as in all sights, these sights probably aren't made of iron anymore. I don't know what material they are comprised of so I went with "Iron/Default sights". |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4420
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Posted - 2013.05.19 22:05:00 -
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The original plasma rifle had a camera scope but it was had far too much.... dissociation. to be useful at all. I mean ADS hip-firing is weird as well, most of the soldiers complained they rather shoulder holster it and look down the rail to ensure accuracy, they trust themselves more than the camera. |
11Up3Down
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:58:00 -
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Nordac Striker wrote:11Up3Down wrote:In 500+ years of the gun, not much has changed about it. We still use a black powder and projectile system and the only great improvement to weapons in those 500 years of barrel rifling. Iron sights or Patridge Sights have been around since the 1800's. So it's pretty safe to assume that while different SCOPES have been invented, Iron Sights will ALWAYS be around, they are a fundamental part of guns and if you are unable to shot 35 meters without a SCOPE then perhaps you should go back to COD. I am sorry, but you are dead wrong about this. If you knew anything about sniping, you would not had said this. The idea of placing a round down range has changed... with the invention of scopes and night vision devices. The invention of the boat-tail round in the early 1900's improved range and accuracy out to 600 yards because of aerodynamics. Using high powered rounds increased round stability out to 800 yards for the 7.62 rounds. One of the exercises I used for my snipers when I was a U,S. Marine STA Platoon Sergeant was putting out a cigarette at 300m at night using a night vision scope. If you do not have any idea of the difference between hitting at a distance with iron sights verses a scope, then I am wasting my time speaking to you. When it comes to close combat for real, I have never used iron sights. I have always used the 1" above the sights rule... and it is very effective out to 100m... where firing from the hip is only about 25m. But there is no equivalent to this in Dust. In Dust Close Combat, firing from the hip is generally one's best option if one is not fully prepared for an enemy being dead center in front of them. This is to get a quick shot off to hit the enemy before they hit you. This is why I say RPM and quick reactions is the big thing in FPS games when close in. What I try to do is learn to put my target dead center on my computer screen when I fire... that is usually the point of impact, not the end of the weapon. So I use my Light or Heavy Weapon at range, and my Sidearm when close in. For me, this is an assault weapon for range and a SMG for close in. As for going back to CoD... sorry... no dice. I am going to stay here and make life miserable for the likes of you. When I kill you, you can proudly say you were just outgunned by a 63 year old man.
A 63 year old senile man. At what point did I mention snipers or anything like that? The debate is about Iron Sights, not sniper rifles and scopes...oh and there more types of scopes than sniper scopes now old timer. CQB is not for zoom scopes to begin with whether a2x, 3.5x or 4x, this is about your OP about Iron Sights, so why are you talking about sniper rifles? As far as my comment about no major advances in gun technology, it still stands. Boat Tail would have been useless without barrel rifling and every weapon since the invention of the Iron Sight has had one. Go read your OP again. |
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