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Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:29:00 -
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Nordac Striker wrote:One of the complaints that I had with Planetside 2 was that in some ways it just did not feel like a futuristic FPS game. Most of the equipment used just seemed like no better than what we have in the present day military... and sometimes even worse. PS2 just did not have that futuristic feel that I would have expected.
I will give Dust some credit here, as it does feel like the future... except for iron sights. In the future, I do not see a place for iron sights at all. I would think that every weapon would at least have some sort of sighting device that was a tad better... even if it was a simple x2 sight. Perhaps even a red indicator when aiming in on an enemy soldier. But I am sorry... the iron sights in Dust just seem so out of place... just not the right feel for me.
The problem is that many shooter players can't work with the camera scopes we had before, especially when they changed them to no longer show your weapon in the view.
Honestly, I'd love to see camera sights come back, but ironsights are never going away. Some people still insist on playing with them, and they'd throw a collective fit if they were removed.
All we need is the Replication and E3 style sights that have the front of the gun visible at the bottom of the frame, so that these other guys aren't complaining of "disconnect" and "not feeling immersed". |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:34:00 -
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RydogV wrote:Nordac Striker wrote:Thanks for the replies... greatly appreciated.
What strikes me is when I see the battle film footage of Iraq and Afghanistan. It would seem that most have a basic x4(?) scope on their rifles... or at least most do. Even with the power sights that the future may hold, perhaps there could be a backup system that would default to a x2 system when there is no power. I have been in the military too long and on too many government contracts to not believe that the military would insist on some sort of backup here. But then, Dust is only a game.
As I said before, this is more about 'feel', rather than actual practicality. Again, first impressions for new players mean a lot. Coming into a futuristic game and being confronted by iron sights 'may' give the wrong impression.
What I see at the moment is the Dust dropsuit as an Eve spaceship. I have played Eve now for 5 years, and this is what I see here in Dust. Perhaps later, as Dust matures and we can customize our weapons to more detail, things will be better. We will see.
Most Army infantry carry M4 with M68 Red Dot sight (no magnification)...usually a few AGOGs (4 or 3.5x) mixed into each Squad. I think the Marines all have AGOGs. Both are generally ignored in CQC engagement as "Gunfighter" training teaches point shooting at close quarters. Unfortunately FPS game mechanics are limited to hip fire, which isn't even realistic LOL, and ADS (aim down sights). There is no way to really incorporate instinctive point shooting into gameplay...at least, no one has thought of a way to do it yet.
The closest you can probably get is using the Move Sharpshooter. I'm not sure there'd be any way to implement that with sticks or a mouse. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:21:00 -
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hooc order wrote:But but but...that would turn dust into a CoD clone...WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
/sarc
I like all the old demo videos people have been posting over the last 2 days....and how in everyone of them ARs have red dot sights.
As long as they never use that crappy weapon design. Looked like a cheap ripoff of the XM8. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:14:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Preacher Death 2 wrote:Iron sights make a lot of sense in a world of the super high tech. Keep it simple with iron sights and tritium sights to reduce failure in combat. You missed the obvious point. ARs use Iron sights when plenty of other weapons have better sights. Even the internal logic of saying "this is the far future, who knows how weapons will evolve" does not work. Why can't i take the AGOG sights off my TAC and put it on my regular AR again? Why can't i put the scrambler sights on my AR again? Why can't i take off the sights of my sniper rifle and use it as a high powered mid range weapon again?
I can't wait till weapon customization comes out and renders this all moot. The ironsight guys can enjoy them all they want, and the rest of us can use sights that actually make sense. |
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:25:00 -
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mongahu wrote:We had acogs on all guns a year ago and some fuckmook thought it was a good ideacto remove them. This was stupid. All future guns should at the very least be as good in range accuracy and technology asxwhat we shoot terrorists with now incrustation 21st century... there is no excuses unless they are planing on making gun customization a thing which I have not heard anything to this effect nor would I guess they are going this route. Too much complexity IMO. Bottom line future guns should not have iron sites that's stupid.
They weren't ACOG sights, they were cameras linked to our helmets. The issue was that the camera sights were eventually improved in their appearance and fuctionality, but as part of that the visible end of the gun was removed from the picture. Then you started having people talking about "breaking immersion" and making long threads about red-dot or ironsights. |
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:35:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Nordac Striker wrote:One of the complaints that I had with Planetside 2 was that in some ways it just did not feel like a futuristic FPS game. Most of the equipment used just seemed like no better than what we have in the present day military... and sometimes even worse. PS2 just did not have that futuristic feel that I would have expected.
I will give Dust some credit here, as it does feel like the future... except for iron sights. In the future, I do not see a place for iron sights at all. I would think that every weapon would at least have some sort of sighting device that was a tad better... even if it was a simple x2 sight. Perhaps even a red indicator when aiming in on an enemy soldier. But I am sorry... the iron sights in Dust just seem so out of place... just not the right feel for me.
But you don't understand.... AR needs to have Iron Sights, because other hows they will be to OP....  [ Sarcasm ].. and one more..
Funny thing is as soon as they were implemented, everyone started saying they were given ironsights to nerf them because CCP hates "slayers". |
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