The role of a Heavy HMG user is to control confined close quarter areas with choke points where long range weapons lose their advantage... and it's decent at that if you happen to be on the rare map with an indoor area and your team happens to control that single room...

There are choke points?
I havent seen any map with one.

There are choke points?
I havent seen any map with one.

There are choke points?
I havent seen any map with one.

I agree with the OP to a certain extent, the last thing i want in dust however is a bunch of boring yet necessary tasks to complete. "Scout, go hide behind that rock and turn on your scanner, for the ENTIRE match". bleh. Its like wormholes in eve, cool idea, major pain in the ass to work with. What we need to do is just REMOVE all the stuff in this game that was put in here for different 'roles' that dont exist, and just make many different tiers of 'Slayer'. Shoot in face == fun. Scanning for wormholes == rather play tetris... or pong.

Just remember that eve didn't start with Titans, Destroyers, Command Ships, Player owned stations, Alliances, Worm holes...etc.
It was a progression over a long period of time.

The fundamental problem isn't Dust... Its us. Our expectations of having a fully integrated complex FPS/RTS are unrealistic. CCP is developing something that is going to be absolutely unreal... in real time... in front of our eyes. Enjoy the journey.

I dont work for CCP but playing eve since 2004 I can tell you...

Different maps are coming... different modes are coming... a bigger market is coming... Player creation and skill building will be more complex... Dust is going to progress.

Stability is key. Once the game is stable and has a lot of the bugs worked out content will come.


So in short... QQ or GTFO

I am really wary of any verbal communication abilities.

1) If my squad can listen to enemy comms, will it be on our squad chat? How will I even know who is talking. If someone says "aaah a tank!" is that a blue tank or a red tank?

2) Do I have to switch to a new channel to listen in? That's cumbersome. If I hear something useful how fast will I be able to relay that info back to team? If I hear "push Bravo now!" and 30 reds charge bravo, will I have time to rally a blue defense?

3) How useful is this skill that will cost SP to train? What if I take the time to hack into comms and all I got was racist blathering? Again, is this on my comm or is it on a new channel in case I want to turn it off?

4) What if someone was talking to a real life buddy about bullshit (or non-bullshit) stuff while playing a friendly game to unwind after work? Using real names, real places. Real problems and concerns. Nobody should be able to just HACK into my conversation like that.

5) Tryhard groups will just use Skype on their iPads or laptaps ANYWAY and be immune. Only casuals will fall for this.

The fundamental problem with DUST is that most roles and a good percentage of the equipment are solutions to challenges that don't exist in the game.

The role of Scout is the solution to the challenge of sneaking through enemy lines to obtain intel, disrupt enemy communications, blow up key assets, etc.

The role of pilot is the solution to the challenge of troop transport over difficult terrain, lightning fast attacks on remote assets, feints to draw off enemy forces from key objectives, etc.

The only challenge that the current game modes supply is to kill the enemy team. You clone out the enemy team to win Ambush. You kill to clone out in Skirmish and you kill to take objectives. You take districts by cloning out the defender. The only solution needed is "Shoot the other guy in the face before he shoots you in the face". The answer to every problem is "more firepower".

The result is that only viable class is the Slayer and every other class gets measured by the yardstick made for that class, KDR. Every other class gets perverted into the slayer class. Every asset is turned into a weapon. Scouts are used on the front line to sprint and shoot the enemy in the face with a shotgun and LAVs are used to turn the enemy into road kill. Logistics suits are turned into Assault suits and dropships are used to crush mercs.

People protest that dropships and LAV's were designed for transport, but when the only challenge is killing they literally become vehicles for homicide. People recognize the symptom, but not the cause. CCP gives us one simple challenge, so players use every tool to try to solve that one problem.

The issue has been masked a great deal so far because winning doesn't matter in Instant Battles. Individual players can be ineffective because winning doesn't matter. That changes in PC where every clone counts. If you don't bring high-DPS you aren't invited. That comes down to calculating how much outgoing DPS a Logi saves vs. the amount he removes from the team.

One of the core values of New Eden is using existing assets to creatively solve challenges, yet CCP seems bent on limiting the challenges to one and restricting the ways we can solve that one. For example Dropships were coated in explosive paint to prevent pilots from using them to crush mercs and a hard flight ceiling was imposed to prevent snipers from camping roof tops.

Instead of limiting play CCP needs to add additional challenges that make the other roles viable. They can add WP rewards for flying all they want, but without a real in game challenge that requires a dropship it won't be used in a match where it matters.

When people imagine the Scout role and how cloaking might work they create scenarios in their heads about sneaking into the enemy camp and performing some form of espionage or destruction. Yet in the current game mode there will be no enemy camp to infiltrate. Everyone will be at the front in one big blob shooting each other in the face.

When I first heard about DUST I was intrigued by the RTS aspects of large complex battles. A commander in the MCC would direct the larger groups to take certain objectives or make feints, and squad leaders would determine the best way to accomplish that given the assets and skills at hand. That is the sort of play that requires the many roles that currently exist. What we currently have does not.

CCP needs to add game modes that increase the number of challenges beyond efficiency in killing if any role other than Slayer is to be viable.

But also its more restricted by the size of the maps

The maps are small and the objectives are close to each other

Until maps and districts are alot larger and objectives spread over the entire place then the need for scouts and vehicles are limited, all you need is assault/logi and the odd heavy

But also its more restricted by the size of the maps

The maps are small and the objectives are close to each other

Until maps and districts are alot larger and objectives spread over the entire place then the need for scouts and vehicles are limited, all you need is assault/logi and the odd heavy

"/quote" instead of "quote"

"/quote" instead of "quote"

like a competent forum user who knows how BBCode works. It not only breaks your quote, but also anyone using the "quote" button on your post.

I understand what your saying completely... I disagree with the message to the new player.

I am a lower SP player (2mill)... I find myself middle to top of the boards in war points by using an AV/Support character. I keep my DPS team mates running the best i can without running past the front line. For me survivability is most important. Skill points in armour and shield buffs.

To bastardize a line from Game of Thrones... "The Nerf is coming..."


Just don't over extend yourself is the best advice I can give... because the game is going to change a lot.