finally, someone who understands...my carthum assault SR with SR profeciency lvl 3 and a basic dmg mod still doesn't match up to Duvolles. for the SR to have a better accuracy rating than the AR, it has too much kick...

I have SR prof. 4 brother and my militia AR gets more kills.

Sign me up! People like us need to prevent this game from being a CoD/BF clone. Let the forums flow with tears of AR nerds QQing about dying to something that isn't a Gallente Plasma Blaster! MD still sucks, but I can still kill an AR well outside their effective range since they don't have sharpshooter as a krutch to lean on.

Shotgun user here! Nothing wrong with the shotgun though besides the damn aim assist...

The only QQing I see is you. Tac ars need a rof cap and scrambler rifles need the same range as tac ars that's it. Hate to break it to you but Dust 514 is a Battlefield clone.

Srry for the double post but this^ saw you run through my entire team the other day and shotgun me in the face then get away.....ugh I was so disgusted they couldnt even hit you....

speed tank ftw!

They already tried to Nerf the AR allot, High Recoil, low range, ridiculous bullet spread when moving and soothing. And people still uses the AR, and have lots of fun with it...

I think CCP is getting the message now... PEOPLE PREFERS TO USE THE AR, because they like that weapon the most.

Ok, the TAC needs a little nerf, "little" nerf ... but leave the AR alone, or allot of people will leave Dust 514.

TAC needs more than a 'little' nerf. It should keep its role as long range semiauto, yes, but the firerate and CQC ability is completely ridiculous.
And hell, the damage is over the top too. The TAC is better than the scrambler rifle in every way except that it doesn't have a charge ability.

I totally agree.. i stop using the TAC, because i feel like a NooB using it. But i say a "Little" nerf, because when CCP nerf things, is always over the top, and to the point where they make that weapon useless.

They already tried to Nerf the AR allot, High Recoil, low range, ridiculous bullet spread when moving and soothing. And people still uses the AR, and have lots of fun with it...

I think CCP is getting the message now... PEOPLE PREFERS TO USE THE AR, because they like that weapon the most.

Ok, the TAC needs a little nerf, "little" nerf ... but leave the AR alone, or allot of people will leave Dust 514.

How many of you guys are respeccing into ARs because you feel these weapons suck?

How many of you guys are respeccing into ARs because you feel these weapons suck?

How many of us had our weapon nerfed because of an office LAN party?

How many of us had our weapon nerfed because of an office LAN party?

Are you talking about the MD? That was nerf'd because of a LAN party??

it was a "playtest"

Well that's some bullkitten.

Are heavies welcome here?

I like my HMG, I just feel like half the time i'm putting on rounds on people they do nothing :(

I'm pretty sure that outside of spike damage weapons like shotguns, the AR has a higher DPS out of every light weapon in the game, to the point that they're almost novelties, HMG included. You can tell they're basically catering to the BF/CoD crowd. Call it a hunch, but I doubt we'll be seeing a necessary change to the TAR either.

Scrambler Rifles need a different passive. Their current passive (Charge speed) does nothing for an assault variant. They are the ONLY weapon in the game to have a passive that completely skips over a variant. So, yes, the skill needs a change (which is Scrambler Rifles by extension). I'd recommend reducing heat build-up so Amarr Assaults (with 0 ranks in Scramblers) aren't better at handling them then people with max skill.

was a dedicated LR will be doin this^^ ASAP

Signed I am a MD user and it just seems like any weapons with splash damage has wildly inaccurate blast radius numbers freedom MD 3.3m radius not counting the +25% from operations and yet in game it seems more like its 1m at best, hell I tried the flaylock today and just as a test I shot straight down and took damage I moved onto some stairs stood on the top step and aimed 1 step down and fired and it did nothing I highly doubt the intervals between steps is more than 1m.

As for the plasma cannon well its quicker, easier and cheaper (both isk and SP wise.) to just use AV nades for AV and for fighting infantry its like a MD but worse or a sort of weird one shot shotgun. The only use I have found for it is trolling people.

I love the plasma cannon, it is a very niche weapon but have its uses as it is. I have taken down tanks and dropships with it at long range. The fast moving LAVs are difficult to hit.

It is great for long range combat, have numerous times forced the reddots to leave defensive positions and give room for our own team members to move forward. It got a decent splash radius and enough damage to hurt. Probably since the MD is becoming rare, it can function as suppression instead.

For a non combat oriented logi I love this weapon, much more than my exile. It only becomes a problem when I am alone facing multiple opponents in close quarter combat. It works if I am lucky against a single target in CQC.

I very rarely see others using this weapon in game, probably could use a buff.

I still use it but I always get the feeling that its just not that good, yes I can OHK enemys with it but you only get 9shots and it burns through nano's. I am sure the splash is broken as well by the way I get direct hits allot more than I do splash hits. How on earth have you taken out dropships with it at long range I have managed a grand total of 1 dropship kill with it and that was because I hit it and he decided to try and squash me for some reason, normally I land a hit on DS's and they are away and out of my range by the time I have reloaded or at best I will get one more hit but its not enough to finish them. The one thing I find it useful for now is going against shield tanks just because I can put 2-3 shots in them and remove or badly damage their shields then finish them with AV nades. Plus the adv and proto level versions have slightly more damage and thats it, other guns get accuracy increases as they go up or blast radius PC doesn't. The operations skill is useless reduce a 0.6 charge time by 25% makes a huge difference. I dont get the sight at all I can aim with it dont get me wrong but the lowest part of the sight is higher than the highest point of the round's arc unless your using it as a shotgun just seems a bit odd for a sight I think it should had a hybrid between FG and MD sights like the FG's reticule for close and the MD falloff for longer range. Its a shame I like this weapon and it has potential but it definatley needs tweeking and new variants would be much appreciated.

TL:DR just general moaning.

The operations skill is useless reduce a 0.6 charge time by 25% makes a huge difference.

^ I play logi as well and I am currently experimenting with using the PC instead of MD the lack of PG is very nice, I suppose I complain about it too much it is a nice and unique weapon but it just annoys me for some reason the sight is useable but a bit kitten it could be allot better. I want to love this gun but everytime I use it I think meh my MD could have done that better or when I go after a vehicle I think meh swarms could have done this better. I am going to have a good go as using this as my only weapon for a while because it would be a good multipurpose weapon but I need to stop telling myself other weapons are better in certain scenarios.

Hey guys, stop saying CCP is catering to the COD/BF community. In those games different weapons are being used all the time. Actually CCP is catering to this community when they decided to buff, nerf, buff the TAC AR and nerf every other weapon in the game listening to whiners and the wrong people. I came to the launch of the open beta from BF3, and I gotta tell ya, I'm starting to get pretty annoyed that all I get killed by is a squad of tac AR users with the occasional mass driver user only because I'm being pinned down by these sniper-light rifles with no other weapon strong and fast enough to counter unless I red line snipe. IMO, the "COD/BF" community likes variety in their gun game. Seeing the same guns all the time on the killspread gets boring. Chromosome showed weapon variety. Uprising introduces new weapons in the new build but none(including old) are balanced to the TAC AR

And against LAVs it is mission impossible unless I shoot at them while they drive directly towards me. I will die if they survive the only shot I can get before getting mashed by the LAV. I panic every time I hear the sound of a LAV

Welcome non-AR player this is the group for us guys that love Dust514's amazing weapons, but are frustrate by them being inferior in every possible way to a Gallente AR. These weapons don't have a place on the battlefield nor in serious, competitive gameplay anymore. Back in Chromosome we were delighted with the satisfaction of killing with our weapon on their own niche. They aren't working in Uprising. They aren't getting us kills. They are frustrating and a pain to use. A weapon that can't kill is not fun to use. A weapon that kills too easily gets boring fast, that's why our weapons are special. But they aren't killing a ****. Let's accept this sad truth and unite. Since CCP isn't listening to us:

Buff the SR

Buff the Plasma Cannon

Buff the LR

The Laser Pointer

Mass Driver needs 911


Post here if you want power to your weapons. AR users feel free to post here if you want to see more variety in the game and your weapon once again unique.