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Horse Schitt wrote:

Gallente dropsuits are mainly armor tanking suits, and they're useless now. I'm just going to give a list of reasons why.

- Armor tanks are ripped to shreds by explosive weapons

Try and get out of a spawn massacre when one person with a Freedom mass driver is hailing down on you. At most three hits before you're dead.

- Armor tanks do not regenerate as fast as Shield tanks

I can get up to 500 HP of armor, and it takes half the match to get it back. In most engagements, I have my health taken down to half. By the time I start the regen I'm already getting shot by someone else.

The extra HP of an armor tank is just not worth the time it takes to get it back.

- More weapons do extra damage to Armor, than to Shield

All explosive weapons deal more damage, all heavy machine guns do more damage. It's just unfair.

Bottom line is my Proto type Gallente Dropsuit gets killed in 2-3 hits from a mass driver, and it only lasts seconds against a Boundless driver from buildings away. When I pay upwards of 150k for one prototype fit, and it gets torn to pieces by everything on the field, it's simply not worth it.

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Horse Schitt Turalyon Plus 2	Posted - 2013.05.18 19:12:00 - [1] - Quote Gallente dropsuits are mainly armor tanking suits, and they're useless now. I'm just going to give a list of reasons why. - Armor tanks are ripped to shreds by explosive weapons Try and get out of a spawn massacre when one person with a Freedom mass driver is hailing down on you. At most three hits before you're dead. - Armor tanks do not regenerate as fast as Shield tanks I can get up to 500 HP of armor, and it takes half the match to get it back. In most engagements, I have my health taken down to half. By the time I start the regen I'm already getting shot by someone else. The extra HP of an armor tank is just not worth the time it takes to get it back. - More weapons do extra damage to Armor, than to Shield All explosive weapons deal more damage, all heavy machine guns do more damage. It's just unfair. Bottom line is my Proto type Gallente Dropsuit gets killed in 2-3 hits from a mass driver, and it only lasts seconds against a Boundless driver from buildings away. When I pay upwards of 150k for one prototype fit, and it gets torn to pieces by everything on the field, it's simply not worth it.
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Unclaimed. 250	Posted - 2013.05.18 19:27:00 - [2] - Quote Get ready for a "HTFU" from the great community we have here. I will be more reasonable. The spawns have scanners around them now. If it looks like a clusterf***, don't spawn there. Are you using Gallente assault protos, or basic? If basic, you're just wasting ISK IMO.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 297	Posted - 2013.05.18 19:29:00 - [3] - Quote Well, I use Gallente dropsuits and armor tank and feel it it balanced pretty well, but if you want to push CCP to buff me and others then I guess I'll just look the other way But yeah we're fine dude, maybe it's just you.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 89	Posted - 2013.05.18 20:45:00 - [4] - Quote 1 plate, 2 repps, fill in extra slots. Works for me. Peace, Godin
Horse Schitt Turalyon Plus 2	Posted - 2013.05.19 05:52:00 - [5] - Quote I have an alt with Caldari suits and Shield and he just seems to have more survivability. And BTW I use proto logi suits. And if you really want to know why I'm asking for buffs for Gallente armor tankers, just look around the lobby before you drop. What are people using?
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 290	Posted - 2013.05.19 07:01:00 - [6] - Quote Horse Schitt wrote: I have an alt with Caldari suits and Shield and he just seems to have more survivability. And BTW I use proto logi suits. And if you really want to know why I'm asking for buffs for Gallente armor tankers, just look around the lobby before you drop. What are people using? Gallente, amarr and caldari suits. The only suit often missing is minmatar.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 269	Posted - 2013.05.19 07:06:00 - [7] - Quote Hello Brother! Have you considered the benefits of a Logi? Shields-Shmields! Our proto rep tool can repair your armor at the rate of 105 hp/s! Be the armor tank you know you can be with a Logi today!
David Spd Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.05.19 09:23:00 - [8] - Quote Gallente could get nice buffs from different armor mods.... like oh say... + armor and explosive resist. There just isn't enough armor options and it really feels like that's what would make Gallente really appealing. Probably have to wait another three months minimum to see any new mods at all...
Spunty Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 25	Posted - 2013.05.20 01:36:00 - [9] - Quote Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: Horse Schitt wrote: I have an alt with Caldari suits and Shield and he just seems to have more survivability. And BTW I use proto logi suits. And if you really want to know why I'm asking for buffs for Gallente armor tankers, just look around the lobby before you drop. What are people using? Gallente, amarr and caldari suits. The only suit often missing is minmatar. The only suit I don't see much of are Mini Scouts.
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 177	Posted - 2013.05.20 01:49:00 - [10] - Quote Why do you think 90% of the playerbase shield tanks? To add even more insult to injury, armor plates have a ridiculous speed penalty. lulz... armor tanking is dumb.

Ulysses Knapse DUST University Ivy League 381	Posted - 2013.05.20 01:55:00 - [11] - Quote Gallente Dropsuits aren't quite worthless. 1. Notice that all other dropsuits are mostly shield tankers (Even Amarr, strangely...), Which means that... 2. Smart people will use weapons that are good against shields, Which means that... 3. You will have an advantage against smart people.
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 66	Posted - 2013.05.20 02:08:00 - [12] - Quote Horse Schitt wrote: I have an alt with Caldari suits and Shield and he just seems to have more survivability. And BTW I use proto logi suits. And if you really want to know why I'm asking for buffs for Gallente armor tankers, just look around the lobby before you drop. What are people using? It's really easy to just go ahead and say HTFU and look at flux nades at shield guys and they'll be dead but everybody knows that's not good enough. It's also easy to say wait for ferroscale plates and the active plates repping while also giving armor butt that's also to easy. When it comes to the mass driver well wtf it's meant to kill armor. Think about ho happy he is when he sees your gallente. Everytime he runs into a caldari logi with over 500 shield he just wants to thrown his freedom out the goddamm window and cry in the corner because he can't do any damage to them. With the additions coming to armor tanking i don't think armor tanking is unbalanced. Armor tanking is just like the scrambler rifle it's very good at what it does but when you fire it to much or use it where it's not meant to it'll overheat or in this case you'llget so slow you can't move / you'll get a giant buffer but no logi to get you back up to 100%. Shield is much more like the tac AR. You get the good sides of being insanely flexible in all combat situations, reload is very decent, capacity (or total amount of shield with shield tankers) is lower than the fully auto version (shield generally have less shield than armor tankers have armor) but even with this difference reload is so fast that you can beat an AR. Ok wierd comparison but hope you guys get it What i'm trying to get to is that shields have no downside at all other than "you'll get less shield from extenders than you will armor from plates" thing. But hey as said we can't just sniff glue in a corner and get it all back instead there is the long wait. I've seen quite few suggestions regarding downside of shield and the best one so far is the "increase shield tankers hitbox by XX%". This would really do a difference........ but ok maybe hit detection then also needs a tweak or two.
Bettie Boop 2100190003 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 15	Posted - 2013.05.20 02:41:00 - [13] - Quote Its obvious you haven't played with a Gallente Logistics suit, because if you had you wouldn't be saying that they are useless. So please, don't say Gallente dropsuits are useless, because the logistics suits are NOT useless. Do I wish that they were faster, yes. But then again Im not dumb enough to stack 5x armor plates on my suit and walk slower than fat suits.
GetShotUp 0uter.Heaven League of Infamy 170	Posted - 2013.05.20 05:59:00 - [14] - Quote Well, from the calculations I've been doing, you can run with 250-300 shields and 400 Armor. You can try to unlock the kinetics which takes a lot of SP to do, but as you're working your way to unlocking them, you're adding like 1% to your sprint speed (I believe) and tbh, I don't run Kinetics and feel like I don't have to after getting some percentage in my sprint speed. Also, you can bring up your x,y sensitivity so you won't feel as slow. Keep playing around with your fittings and study that skill tree. You can make the Gallente work. Its nice when you get fluxed and see the guy charge you with confidence and ends up getting owned. But with how im planning to get my suit, I think I'd tear **** up. I already do good with how I am now, but I''m still working on a lot of things to make myself better. Don't complain, Gallentes are good. People just think Shields are the best thing to have until they get fluxed and then they stand no chance.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 107	Posted - 2013.05.20 06:04:00 - [15] - Quote dont worry. ALL KINDS of dropships is useless crap. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79547&find=unread
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 93	Posted - 2013.05.20 06:23:00 - [16] - Quote Horse Schitt wrote: Gallente dropsuits are mainly armor tanking suits, and they're useless now. I'm just going to give a list of reasons why. - Armor tanks are ripped to shreds by explosive weapons Try and get out of a spawn massacre when one person with a Freedom mass driver is hailing down on you. At most three hits before you're dead. - Armor tanks do not regenerate as fast as Shield tanks I can get up to 500 HP of armor, and it takes half the match to get it back. In most engagements, I have my health taken down to half. By the time I start the regen I'm already getting shot by someone else. The extra HP of an armor tank is just not worth the time it takes to get it back. - More weapons do extra damage to Armor, than to Shield All explosive weapons deal more damage, all heavy machine guns do more damage. It's just unfair. Bottom line is my Proto type Gallente Dropsuit gets killed in 2-3 hits from a mass driver, and it only lasts seconds against a Boundless driver from buildings away. When I pay upwards of 150k for one prototype fit, and it gets torn to pieces by everything on the field, it's simply not worth it. There is a dynamic... + You get more HP per module for armour than shield. + It has zero delay, you get regen even mid battle + With a logi around you can get 15-105 HP/s regen - It has no inherrent regend without modules - It slows you down - weak against explosives + It auto regens without mods (after delay) + It doesn't slow you down - it increass your scan profile - You get less HP pr module - Flux nades do 1200 damage Wait till electronic warefare kicks in and see how awesome shields are. :)
SIR RAZGRIZ Valor Tactical Operations 0	Posted - 2013.05.23 01:49:00 - [17] - Quote I agree that shields are awesome at speed and such, but it is really all about the squad. You get a couple guys running caldari shield tanks that work well together, and they can run into a battle and influence it very well. They simply engage till low hp, break off engagement with nice mobility till shields return and finish the enemy off. While a gallente really benefits from a logi, he can become a heavy jr. Without it he still has more hp and the ability to equip weapon mods to make up for loss of mobility. To each his own, but I don't think CCP is focusing on the individual as much as they are the squad. - The man with the most control is the one who controls himself
From Costa Rica Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 87	Posted - 2013.05.23 03:18:00 - [18] - Quote i have been ripped by a lot of gallente suits, and ripped a lot of other suits in my gallente suits. What are you talking about?
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 368	Posted - 2013.05.23 03:27:00 - [19] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Gallente Dropsuits aren't quite worthless. 1. Notice that all other dropsuits are mostly shield tankers (Even Amarr, strangely...), Which means that... 2. Smart people will use weapons that are good against shields, Which means that... 3. You will have an advantage against smart people. I love when I'm one-on-one with some guy and he chucks a flux grenade at my feet. Yeah . . . ok, you keep doing that buddy
Aeon Amadi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 1363	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:15:00 - [20] - Quote I specialize in the Gallente Assault/Logistics and I can honestly say... **** explosive weapons. Seriously. Sometime or another I just want an honest gun battle but it never seems to happen. I knew Scrambler Rifles were going to be the big thing what with weapon ranges reduced and people sticking with what they know (shield tanking) so I went Gallente, forseeing the mass benefits. On the other hand, what I did not expect, was never dying in an honest to god gunfight Most common things that kill me (in order of most common to least common: Grenades LAVs Forge Guns Mass Drivers Sniper Rifles Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifles I've been killed by a Scrambler Rifle -ONCE- and that was almost immediately after saying to my corp-mates, "Yanno, I don't think I've ever died by a Scrambler Rifle." Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifles happen sometimes because I can never figure out where the hell I'm being shot from and a lot of times the guys that use them stack damage mods out the arse. Sniper Rifles are self explanatory (keal stilling!!) Mass Drivers aren't as frequent but when I do fight them they -HURT-. Forge guns for the same reason as Sniper Rifles LAVs because they're OP as hell ever since the buff (Logistics especially) And finally Grenades, because they're numerous and they just suck.

Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 68	Posted - 2013.05.23 08:40:00 - [21] - Quote Really? Been using Gallente medium since Uprising came out and I've been doing really well. Shield heavy folks don't fair well against me and a Scrambler. I constantly see Gallente suits and Amarr suits. Very rarely see Caldari suits.
TBdaBoss A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. ROFL BROS 6	Posted - 2013.05.26 20:41:00 - [22] - Quote I think you're the only one with that problem, OP. I managed to armor tank my Gallente Scout. He's got 70 shields, but 422 armor. As a scout. All those mods slow me down a lot, but I can still outrun and/or outmaneuver anyone that isn't a scout (who I just kill because they're squishy). I can actually take on a Heavy one on one. Also, with everyone whoring the Scrambler Rifle and Flux Grenades, I can sprint around ROFLstomping 3 or more people at once. As a scout. And as icing on the cake, I almost always have a Corp Logi in my squad. The only real downside is that because I tanked my armor so hard, I don't have room for Profile Dampeners. Though that would be unfair.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 805	Posted - 2013.05.26 21:00:00 - [23] - Quote I've actually been considering moving from shield to armor tanking for a lot of the good reasons listed here. Yeah explosives will ** you up, but that's working as intended, just as flux weapons will ** up a shield tank. I've actually been quite impressed with CCP in making armor tanking much more viable. These people with active armor fits are infuriating to fight, because they duck behind cover for 2 seconds, have their own reps and a logi repping them, and they're back at full health. Meanwhile my shields have yet to start recharging and now I'm dead. Shields work very well with hit and run tactics, you can take someone out and run away with zero movement loss. Armor works very well for hunkering down and holding your ground. You can't move as much but you have more HP and can regain it much faster with support, even mid-battle. With the improvements to armor tanking, and the addition of the scrambler rifle, the pros and cons of armor vs shields is much more balanced now. Once they add the penalty of signature profile for shield extenders, as well as those special armor plates, it'll be perfect.
Ruyan Aldent Molon Labe. League of Infamy 53	Posted - 2013.05.26 21:03:00 - [24] - Quote Benefits of armor - Benefit from rep tools - Able to do more dmg by equipping damage mods - Benefit from nano hives that repair - Get to take full advantage of being able to run your shields down and your armor - armor mods add more health than shield mods. Benefits of shields - Faster movement - faster recharge - Possibly less weapons that fair better against them (Majority of players run ARs or laser rifles so probably not)
Commander Cope Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.07.18 18:43:00 - [25] - Quote Horse Schitt wrote: Gallente dropsuits are mainly armor tanking suits, and they're useless now. I'm just going to give a list of reasons why. - Armor tanks are ripped to shreds by explosive weapons Try and get out of a spawn massacre when one person with a Freedom mass driver is hailing down on you. At most three hits before you're dead. - Armor tanks do not regenerate as fast as Shield tanks I can get up to 500 HP of armor, and it takes half the match to get it back. In most engagements, I have my health taken down to half. By the time I start the regen I'm already getting shot by someone else. The extra HP of an armor tank is just not worth the time it takes to get it back. - More weapons do extra damage to Armor, than to Shield All explosive weapons deal more damage, all heavy machine guns do more damage. It's just unfair. Bottom line is my Proto type Gallente Dropsuit gets killed in 2-3 hits from a mass driver, and it only lasts seconds against a Boundless driver from buildings away. When I pay upwards of 150k for one prototype fit, and it gets torn to pieces by everything on the field, it's simply not worth it. I use gallente suits, just have multi armor repairers or a nanohive the repaiers armor. P.S. armor ishorible against explosives, but one flux grenade to a shield based suit, your gone and atleast you armor was protecting you from something trying to kill you and not being in a suit with 350 shield and 120 armor when you relize the theres an enemy flux at your feet.
Sgt Buttscratch Z.G.R.B 523	Posted - 2013.07.18 19:41:00 - [26] - Quote The way to make armor work is to use others as your shields, most the time i can have up to 3000hp of shields, more you help your shield kill, longer they stay regened
godhands9 Ancient Exiles 113	Posted - 2013.10.16 01:15:00 - [27] - Quote perfect for me.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3155	Posted - 2013.10.16 01:25:00 - [28] - Quote Horse Schitt wrote: Gallente dropsuits are mainly armor tanking suits, and they're useless now. I'm just going to give a list of reasons why. - Armor tanks are ripped to shreds by explosive weapons Try and get out of a spawn massacre when one person with a Freedom mass driver is hailing down on you. At most three hits before you're dead. - Armor tanks do not regenerate as fast as Shield tanks I can get up to 500 HP of armor, and it takes half the match to get it back. In most engagements, I have my health taken down to half. By the time I start the regen I'm already getting shot by someone else. The extra HP of an armor tank is just not worth the time it takes to get it back. - More weapons do extra damage to Armor, than to Shield All explosive weapons deal more damage, all heavy machine guns do more damage. It's just unfair. Bottom line is my Proto type Gallente Dropsuit gets killed in 2-3 hits from a mass driver, and it only lasts seconds against a Boundless driver from buildings away. When I pay upwards of 150k for one prototype fit, and it gets torn to pieces by everything on the field, it's simply not worth it. I hope Arkena is going to put you in your place. Armour tanking= superior to shield tanking.
Cosgar ParagonX 6088	Posted - 2013.10.16 01:49:00 - [29] - Quote A wild necromancer appears!
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1197	Posted - 2013.10.16 03:51:00 - [30] - Quote Cosgar wrote: A wild necromancer appears! Aghast! But yeah, Old thread. Irrelevant. Armor is now a very good one-time shot to get you through a tough fight, whereas shields, although SIMILAR HP can be reached now, Shield has a fair bit less HP for the bonus of Regen and Slightly more speed. Armor- Nice One-Time Buffer for when some really deep **** goes down. Helpful to have a buddy with a Rep Tool. Shield- Nice Regen and added speed, Less Buffer then armor. Advisable for more Lone-Wolfs (Like Myself)



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