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Fiasco Llana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:08:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Sad thing is CCP will listen to this idiot. Assault dropships take more like 50+ seconds to kill a tank if all shots are placed well and if tank is built well.
Oh you're mature, you can call someone an idiot. My feelings are so hurt. I'm going to go cry in a corner. Yeah, I hope they do nerf them. It would be awesome.
What you people don't get is that I'm a dropship pilot. I don't want the things to have guns. I use them for what they are for. Pick my troops up, take them to an objective, drop them off, provide recon and enemy locations, or if i have a gunner, fire support. I'm not a fan of one dropship getting 40-50 kills solo.
Remove the gun, remove gunners seats, buff it's shields/armor by a sh*tload, and give points for dropping troops off. That would be a real assault dropship. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1714
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:18:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:Sad thing is CCP will listen to this idiot. Assault dropships take more like 50+ seconds to kill a tank if all shots are placed well and if tank is built well. Oh you're mature, you can call someone an idiot. My feelings are so hurt. I'm going to go cry in a corner. Yeah, I hope they do nerf them. It would be awesome. What you people don't get is that I'm a dropship pilot. I don't want the things to have guns. I use them for what they are for. Pick my troops up, take them to an objective, drop them off, provide recon and enemy locations, or if i have a gunner, fire support. I'm not a fan of one dropship getting 40-50 kills solo. Remove the gun, remove gunners seats, buff it's shields/armor by a sh*tload, and give points for dropping troops off. That would be a real assault dropship. You better damn well prove that someone has managed to get that many kills in an ADS in one match, most I've ever got in an ADS is 15. Actually has anyone ever gotten that many kills in a dropships this build?
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Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
118
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:20:00 -
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Why are they still called dropships? Instead of assault drops, change the name to gunship.
Though gunship could be reserved for ships that 3 cannons under mounted.
Two 20mm cannons and one 30mm what they carry I believe. |
Xender17
Oblivion S.G.X
81
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:22:00 -
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Its just annoying that I have hide undercover to escape dropships... Once I was no where near cover. My shields where at 30%ish so I got out and recalled it. Too bad for the pilot thinking he was about to get abunch of wp |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
480
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:25:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:Sad thing is CCP will listen to this idiot. Assault dropships take more like 50+ seconds to kill a tank if all shots are placed well and if tank is built well. Oh you're mature, you can call someone an idiot. My feelings are so hurt. I'm going to go cry in a corner. Yeah, I hope they do nerf them. It would be awesome. What you people don't get is that I'm a dropship pilot. I don't want the things to have guns. I use them for what they are for. Pick my troops up, take them to an objective, drop them off, provide recon and enemy locations, or if i have a gunner, fire support. I'm not a fan of one dropship getting 40-50 kills solo. Remove the gun, remove gunners seats, buff it's shields/armor by a sh*tload, and give points for dropping troops off. That would be a real assault dropship. Again your show your true intelligence. 40-50 kills oh damn you must come from codex build. I do not think a single pilot has pulled over 20 kills this build. And that is on there best game. Guessing mostpilots feel happy to get 5 kills with how ***** the front turret is. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
303
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:29:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Oh you're mature, you can call someone an idiot. My feelings are so hurt. I'm going to go cry in a corner. Yeah, I hope they do nerf them. It would be awesome.
What you people don't get is that I'm a dropship pilot. I don't want the things to have guns. I use them for what they are for. Pick my troops up, take them to an objective, drop them off, provide recon and enemy locations, or if i have a gunner, fire support. I'm not a fan of one dropship getting 40-50 kills solo.
Remove the gun, remove gunners seats, buff it's shields/armor by a sh*tload, and give points for dropping troops off. That would be a real assault dropship. I know this has been responded to a lot already, but I want to add this this is generally what we all want. But, for whatever reason, we haven't gotten it yet. We may not get it any time soon. We'd like at least some survival opportunity in the interim. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1378
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:30:00 -
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Again, I'd like to know just how much eHP this proto tank had.
1,500 max damage per 5 seconds per turret is pretty darn low.
Let's have a calm discussion rather than a bunch whining and crying. |
slypie11
Planetary Response Organisation
283
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:32:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Working as intended then. All we need is some AA-vehicles to complete the rock paper scissors. Dropships destroy tanks (similar to how choppers destroy tanks), tanks destroy AA-vehicles, and AA-vehicles destroy dropships. "A dropship is a fictional transport vehicle featured frequently in science fiction, in particular military science fiction and space opera genres. A dropship is a common fictional spacecraft archetype, generally depicted as designed to DELIVER TROOPS and equipment onto a planetary surface." So you're saying don't call it a dropship? Ok, call it a gunship, like the ones in star wars. Those can carry people and fire guns and rockets |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1715
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:39:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Again, I'd like to know just how much eHP this proto tank had.
1,500 max damage per 5 seconds per turret is pretty darn low.
Let's have a calm discussion rather than a bunch whining and crying. Not to mention the reduced effectiveness against shields and increases effectiveness against armour, were you using a shield tank or an armour one? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3101
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:41:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Not to mention the reduced effectiveness against shields and increases effectiveness against armour, were you using a shield tank or an armour one?
Missiles do practically no damage vs shields, it's wicked annoying actually. They eat armor for breakfast though. |
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Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1378
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:44:00 -
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What is the Shield effectiveness? Are we talking 1k or less damage per five seconds? |
Fiasco Llana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
256
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:47:00 -
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It was a shield tank. The DS pilot had a scattered whatever blaster. No gunners on either side.
I did NOT use any repair modules, but the tank had a massive amount of shield. I'll ask my friend when he gets on how much exactly it had because I don't remember. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
303
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:56:00 -
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Blasters actually can blow missiles away, DPS wise. A proto small blaster turret shooting continuously for five seconds with a +10% damage mod and small hybrid op V will do almost 3500 damage in five seconds. That's almost enough to kill a gunnlogi with no mods fit to it! Mystery solved! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1715
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:10:00 -
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Missiles are something like 70% effective against shields, just take away about a third of the damage if you feel like being lazy. And yeah scattered blasters just strip HP like you wouldnt believe, only thing that slows them down is the overheat. I'd guess he had an damage mod and an overheat mod to kill you that quickly. And I still think your exaggerating the TTK. |
Ysylla Mariner
DUST University Ivy League
11
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:12:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:gbghg wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Working as intended then. All we need is some AA-vehicles to complete the rock paper scissors. Dropships destroy tanks (similar to how choppers destroy tanks), tanks destroy AA-vehicles, and AA-vehicles destroy dropships. "A dropship is a fictional transport vehicle featured frequently in science fiction, in particular military science fiction and space opera genres. A dropship is a common fictional spacecraft archetype, generally depicted as designed to DELIVER TROOPS and equipment onto a planetary surface." The dropship is a two-engine VTOL craft that combines advances in shielded hardware, redundant software protocols, and networked aeronautics into a heavily armored tactical platform capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile situations. Its standard five-man carrying capacity, dual hardpoints, and reinforced plating allow it to operate independently in any situation, alternately tracking and engaging enemy targets and ferrying troops into and out of harm's way. The Logistics class is the ultimate troop transport. A vehicle that, thanks to its on-board Clone Reactivation Unit (CRU), redefines the notion of frontline troop insertion. Yeah, that means the gunners seat. Not a fully automatic death cannon that can take out anything in miliseconds.
This was also the description off the Logi DS, which doesn't have the cannon.
All I'm saying that as a pilot myself, it is nice knowing that we have some kind of defense. The best defense is a good offense. Besides, even if you consider a dropship as only a troop transport, you get no reward for flying it as such. You get rewarded for blowing stuff up. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1380
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:21:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:It was a shield tank. The DS pilot had a scattered whatever blaster. No gunners on either side.
I did NOT use any repair modules, but the tank had a massive amount of shield. I'll ask my friend when he gets on how much exactly it had because I don't remember.
OK, that's 601 HP per second so in five seconds it does 3k if the pilot doesn't miss a single shot.
It overheats in 6.6 seconds so it can't keep that up for long.
So your friends tank had less than 3k total eHP. That must be a real glass cannon. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
429
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:46:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:It was a shield tank. The DS pilot had a scattered whatever blaster. No gunners on either side.
I did NOT use any repair modules, but the tank had a massive amount of shield. I'll ask my friend when he gets on how much exactly it had because I don't remember. OK, that's 601 HP per second so in five seconds it does 3k if the pilot doesn't miss a single shot. It overheats in 6.6 seconds so it can't keep that up for long. So your friends tank had less than 3k total eHP. That must be a real glass cannon. ^ I have never been taken down by a ADS and I had the funny of killing 12. your bud might of just called in a sica and called it "proto" because to lose a hull worth 1.2mil both of you have issues. you for driving and him for fitting it so bad. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:46:00 -
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Theory of the forums - If A is the player in question, B is his enemy
IF B>A = B is OP IF A>B = working as intended. |
vIO8
Venilen Eugenics Agency
2
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:52:00 -
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There is no possible way this "story" can be factual.
I have invested roughly 4 million SP and sadly 30 million into assault dropships. During that time I only popped a handful of tanks on my own; none of those were proto. It is more likely you were hit with a combination of fire but the dropship is the only fire you were paying attention too.
A simple "fix" would be for you or one of you gunners to hop out with a millitia forge gun and in 1-2 hits take the ADS out of the sky, or get on the coms and tell someone to take out the ADS for you.
I have been taken out by tanks in my ADS so somehow "they" are able to aim up at certain times.
Also aiming with the ADS is "guess work" for the most part.
I never thought a "dropships are OP thread" would actually show up. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
88
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:03:00 -
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I just don't like the fact that they can hover over you amd you can't do ****
Peace, Godin |
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Felix Faraday
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:03:00 -
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gbghg wrote: You better damn well prove that someone has managed to get that many kills in an ADS in one match, most I've ever got in an ADS is 15. Actually has anyone ever gotten that many kills in a dropships this build?
Best I've done is 11 kills 11 assists, but that was only in one or two games. And that was 100% the fault of the people on the ground. Not a single one of them brought out any type of AV, even militia swarms. AR users just sitting there firing at me, wondering why nothing is happening.
Usually I'm trying to hide behind the red line, or getting hit by things I can't even see or tell where it's coming from.
I *want* to know what magical turret this ADS pilot was using. Usually when I'm firing at a tank, I feel like I'm slowly just plinking away at it... and I'm running a proto turret. It's rare that I can get the kill (on a decently fit tank) before someone notices my lovely ADS just hovering and sends a barrage of swarms my way. |
Felix Faraday
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:23:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:I just don't like the fact that they can hover over you amd you can't do ****
Clearly they should never implement any type of air vehicles in the game then.
Easy solution. Don't hang out in the open unassisted. All it takes is ***1*** person with a FG or Swarm Launcher to send an ADS packing for the redline.
Even a tank can't solo everything in the game. Unless you fit some TAC ARs on it, then you might be able to. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1721
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:30:00 -
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Felix Faraday wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I just don't like the fact that they can hover over you amd you can't do ****
Clearly they should never implement any type of air vehicles in the game then. Easy solution. Don't hang out in the open unassisted. All it takes is ***1*** person with a FG or Swarm Launcher to send an ADS packing for the redline. I've had the driver of the tank Im firing at jump out carrying a FG. Can you guess who ran from that battle? Even a tank can't solo everything in the game. Unless you fit some TAC ARs on it, then you might be able to. Yeah, if my ADS could have 4 tac AR's instead for a turret nothing would stop me (except the fact that everything does) |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:03:00 -
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Felix Faraday wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I just don't like the fact that they can hover over you amd you can't do ****
Clearly they should never implement any type of air vehicles in the game then. Easy solution. Don't hang out in the open unassisted. All it takes is ***1*** person with a FG or Swarm Launcher to send an ADS packing for the redline. I've had the driver of the tank Im firing at jump out carrying a FG. Can you guess who ran from that battle? Even a tank can't solo everything in the game. Unless you fit some TAC ARs on it, then you might be able to. It's not really even that complicated.
An assault dropship can't shoot straight down, it can only go to about 70 degrees*. This is still better than a HAV's up elevation, but not by as much as one might think. On top of that, dropships can't change direction easily, and can't see what they're shooting. Juke around a bit and eventually you'll be able to hit the dropsihp, or at least mess up its aiming enough that it won't kill you in anything approaching a timely fashion. You might even be able to out-rep the DPS.
*Don't actually have a protractor, not totally sure. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:21:00 -
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Your more or less correct, not to mention the ADS seems to have a tendency to constantly drift forwards, meaning your almost constantly making passes then turning round to make another pass. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
522
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:33:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Your more or less correct, not to mention the ADS seems to have a tendency to constantly drift forwards, meaning your almost constantly making passes then turning round to make another pass.
it's impossible to stay still and hit a stationary target for long |
Memnoch Grymloc
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:20:00 -
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At this point, assault dropships are outright useless. Not even taking the cost into consideration, they are a joke. If anyone watched an ADS kill 15 people, it MOST CERTAINLY was not under the current setup. I am a hardcore dropship pilot and i have been from day one. ADS do not just let me down, they let the game down. Im not saying they should be removed, im saying they should be usable... At this point i wouldnt fly them if they were free. |
Cy Clone1
Ill Omens EoN.
4
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:28:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:I think so. No dropship should have a gun that the pilot can shoot in the air. It's insanely OP V.S. tanks. Dropships are TROOP TRANSPORT. Not tank destroyers. Buddy of mine spawned in a proto tank for me, I go on top of a hill. And then the dropship comes.
Takes me out in less than 5 seconds. The tank can't aim up at it, and is too slow to run away. Serious BS CCP. This is coming from a dropship pilot. It's just too overpowered. A pilot should not be able to shoot unless he lands the dropship and switches to the gunner's seat.
Leave tank killing to the fighter's and the AV people. Don't give a dropship a gun that can kill anything in miliseconds.
This cant actually be a serious post. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
726
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:29:00 -
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Yikes, that feeling you get when you majorly disagree with a corp/alliance mate. |
Pvt Numnutz
On The Brink CRONOS.
59
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:57:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:Sad thing is CCP will listen to this idiot. Assault dropships take more like 50+ seconds to kill a tank if all shots are placed well and if tank is built well. Oh you're mature, you can call someone an idiot. My feelings are so hurt. I'm going to go cry in a corner. Yeah, I hope they do nerf them. It would be awesome. What you people don't get is that I'm a dropship pilot. I don't want the things to have guns. I use them for what they are for. Pick my troops up, take them to an objective, drop them off, provide recon and enemy locations, or if i have a gunner, fire support. I'm not a fan of one dropship getting 40-50 kills solo. Remove the gun, remove gunners seats, buff it's shields/armor by a sh*tload, and give points for dropping troops off. That would be a real assault dropship.
Assault dropships give up two passenger slots to fit one small turret. Its meant to drop troops still, but also have the pilot be able to provide fire support for his squad. Further more it has very little shields and armor, i think even less than the myron (tho i have to check) Further more it is a challenge for any pilot to effectively aim and continue flying. Ontop of it all they cost an enormous amount of isk for an LAV turret, mine runs me 1.5 mil. How is this OP in any meaning of the term? Ok your a dropship pilot, i had no idea that we were addressing the grand messiah of dropship pilots who speaks for all pilots and clearly knows everything dropship related. If you enjoy the transport roll then fly a standard dropship, hell you could even fly a logistic dropship! The DROPSHIP transport roll still exists and has TWO variants! The best i have done in a game was 12 kills one of those being a milita armor tank, i had to attack it 3 separate times to bring it down, even with my X-T missiles, your friends tank probably got hit by a rail, forge, or swarm and didnt realize it.
If you get killed by a AD in 5 seconds that means its a very experienced pilot who managed to swoop in and line up a shot on you, thats not OP thats SKILL you should learn to appreciate people who are SKILLED at this game and stop bitching about things that you clearly havent thought about very hard. If you cant then go cry in a corner until you HTFU and learn!
also, the Assault dropship is not a gunship.....it clearly has DROPSHIP in its name. Gunships are much more brutal and are designed to take out tanks and blanket areas in heavy fire. A Gunship cannot transport troops thats why its a GUNship not a DROPship everyone should know this difference.
The assault dropship has a nice niche for pilots, it will train pilots well for gunships but also retains its role as a dropship. CCP does not need to fix this, its good enough as it is. If anything dropships should get some health so they can do their job description in their info. LEARN PEOPLE THIS ISNT CALL OF DUTY YOU HAVE TO THINK! |
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