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Fiasco Llana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.18 14:58:00 -
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I think so. No dropship should have a gun that the pilot can shoot in the air. It's insanely OP V.S. tanks. Dropships are TROOP TRANSPORT. Not tank destroyers. Buddy of mine spawned in a proto tank for me, I go on top of a hill. And then the dropship comes.
Takes me out in less than 5 seconds. The tank can't aim up at it, and is too slow to run away. Serious BS CCP. This is coming from a dropship pilot. It's just too overpowered. A pilot should not be able to shoot unless he lands the dropship and switches to the gunner's seat.
Leave tank killing to the fighter's and the AV people. Don't give a dropship a gun that can kill anything in miliseconds. |
Galdor Seregon
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:01:00 -
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Have you looked at the bloody price for the assault dropships? the pilots pay serious bank to get into one of those, let alone the sp cost for it, and dropships have needed a assault variant for awhile now, when no one is spawning to your dropship(mobile cru or no) and you can't land to pick more people up with no gun your just kinda stuck doing nothing the rest of the match |
Fiasco Llana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
256
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:02:00 -
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Galdor Seregon wrote:Have you looked at the bloody price for the assault dropships? the pilots pay serious bank to get into one of those, let alone the sp cost for it, and dropships have needed a assault variant for awhile now, when no one is spawning to your dropship(mobile cru or no) and you can't land to pick more people up with no gun your just kinda stuck doing nothing the rest of the match
Yeah, because it's a dropship. And have you looked at the cost of a full proto-tank? The tankers pay serious bank to get into one of those, and sp.
It's a dropship, that's all you're supposed to do, troop transport. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
281
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:03:00 -
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Yeah, I've never heard of air to ground support before... or the concept air superiority.
Inconceivable! |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1371
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:03:00 -
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DUST does't need troop transport.
The sole challenge in the game is how to put maximum DPS on your target. As such pounding you with missiles is fair whether it's the pilot or his two side gunners.
It's also fair to hit you with a jeep on the ground. Players are using the game assets creatively to solve the only problem we have, how to kill you. |
Val'herik Dorn
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
560
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:06:00 -
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You have done it... you have made the one thread i never thought i would EVER see...
A dropship is OP thread....
The end times are upon us... |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
78
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:06:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:I think so. No dropship should have a gun that the pilot can shoot in the air. It's insanely OP V.S. tanks. Dropships are TROOP TRANSPORT. Not tank destroyers. Buddy of mine spawned in a proto tank for me, I go on top of a hill. And then the dropship comes.
Takes me out in less than 5 seconds. The tank can't aim up at it, and is too slow to run away. Serious BS CCP. This is coming from a dropship pilot. It's just too overpowered. A pilot should not be able to shoot unless he lands the dropship and switches to the gunner's seat.
Leave tank killing to the fighter's and the AV people. Don't give a dropship a gun that can kill anything in miliseconds.
Oh no, what ever can you do?! ... wait, let me think for a sec. get a militia heavy with a forge gun, hop out and two shot the dropship to make him flee.. or maybe get a squad buddy to whip out a swarm launcher? ... problem solved. as a pilot, i don't know why i'm telling you this .. we can't do the same because if we hop out, we die. QQ some more, we paid for this.. at least you don't get nerfed every update! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:09:00 -
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5 seconds to kill a proto tank? Either your buddy had the worst fit tank in history, or that pilot was using a turret I have to get my hands on. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:10:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:I think so. No dropship should have a gun that the pilot can shoot in the air. It's insanely OP V.S. tanks. Dropships are TROOP TRANSPORT. Not tank destroyers. Buddy of mine spawned in a proto tank for me, I go on top of a hill. And then the dropship comes.
Takes me out in less than 5 seconds. The tank can't aim up at it, and is too slow to run away. Serious BS CCP. This is coming from a dropship pilot. It's just too overpowered. A pilot should not be able to shoot unless he lands the dropship and switches to the gunner's seat.
Leave tank killing to the fighter's and the AV people. Don't give a dropship a gun that can kill anything in miliseconds. Oh no, what ever can you do?! ... wait, let me think for a sec. get a militia heavy with a forge gun, hop out and two shot the dropship to make him flee.. or maybe get a squad buddy to whip out a swarm launcher? ... problem solved. as a pilot, i don't know why i'm telling you this .. we can't do the same because if we hop out, we die. QQ some more, we paid for this.. at least you don't get nerfed every update! Had that happen to me yesterday, I killed this guys tank, he got out a forge gun, shot me down, and then he called in his own ADS, that last bit is what really pissed me off. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
315
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:11:00 -
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Dropships are OP now? *has an aneurysm* |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
283
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:12:00 -
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gbghg wrote:5 seconds to kill a proto tank? Either your buddy had the worst fit tank in history, or that pilot was using a turret I have to get my hands on.
Why do people assume the enemy they are aware of is the only one shooting at them?
I've used a sniper rifle to take the last shot on a tank with empty bars... oh ****, no wonder scouts keep getting nerfed!!! |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1373
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:14:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Dropships are OP now? *has an aneurysm*
It killed me once, it's OP! |
copy left
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
187
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:16:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:I think so. No dropship should have a gun that the pilot can shoot in the air. It's insanely OP V.S. tanks. Dropships are TROOP TRANSPORT. Not tank destroyers. Buddy of mine spawned in a proto tank for me, I go on top of a hill. And then the dropship comes.
Takes me out in less than 5 seconds. The tank can't aim up at it, and is too slow to run away. Serious BS CCP. This is coming from a dropship pilot. It's just too overpowered. A pilot should not be able to shoot unless he lands the dropship and switches to the gunner's seat.
Leave tank killing to the fighter's and the AV people. Don't give a dropship a gun that can kill anything in miliseconds.
So what are you going to do when jets come? Get out of the tank and for or swarm it, or have one of your buddies do it. Why should dropships have to suffer just because a tank finally has something that can combat it? F#$k outta here. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:20:00 -
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copy left wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:I think so. No dropship should have a gun that the pilot can shoot in the air. It's insanely OP V.S. tanks. Dropships are TROOP TRANSPORT. Not tank destroyers. Buddy of mine spawned in a proto tank for me, I go on top of a hill. And then the dropship comes.
Takes me out in less than 5 seconds. The tank can't aim up at it, and is too slow to run away. Serious BS CCP. This is coming from a dropship pilot. It's just too overpowered. A pilot should not be able to shoot unless he lands the dropship and switches to the gunner's seat.
Leave tank killing to the fighter's and the AV people. Don't give a dropship a gun that can kill anything in miliseconds. So what are you going to do when jets come? Get out of the tank and for or swarm it, or have one of your buddies do it. Why should dropships have to suffer just because a tank finally has something that can combat it? F#$k outta here. As someone who can consistently outrun swarms in an ADS, I'll just say this, swarms won't do jackshit against fighters, they won't even be able to hit them. |
Fiasco Llana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
256
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:22:00 -
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Funny how all the DS pilots are saying I'm QQing. I was in the chromosome build. Dropships were fine. They wrecked with good gunners.
Either take the gun away, or make it have no gunners seats. It killed me in 5 seconds. That's like 200 damage per shot or 2500 RPM. Yes, it is overpowered, and guess what? In America there's this thing called freedom of speech. I'm using it now. I don't care if you troll me, I think it's over powered and that's my opinion so kiss my a**. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
284
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:25:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote: ... FREEDOM ...
Nobody is trying to stop you from making a fool of yourself.. feel free to continue. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
292
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:26:00 -
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Working as intended then. All we need is some AA-vehicles to complete the rock paper scissors. Dropships destroy tanks (similar to how choppers destroy tanks), tanks destroy AA-vehicles, and AA-vehicles destroy dropships. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1374
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:27:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Funny how all the DS pilots are saying I'm QQing. I was in the chromosome build. Dropships were fine. They wrecked with good gunners.
Either take the gun away, or make it have no gunners seats. It killed me in 5 seconds. That's like 200 damage per shot or 2500 RPM. Yes, it is overpowered, and guess what? In America there's this thing called freedom of speech. I'm using it now. I don't care if you troll me, I think it's over powered and that's my opinion so kiss my a**.
Five seconds to kill a well fit proto tank, seriously?
What were your Shields and Armor levels? What sort of hardeners where you running and did you even activate your reppers?
What turret was the pilot using?
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iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:27:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:You have done it... you have made the one thread i never thought i would EVER see...
A dropship is OP thread....
The end times are upon us...
I think thatd every aspect of the game now covered with "XXX is OP"
Should we have a party or something, we need to commemorate this moment. |
Fiasco Llana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
256
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:28:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Working as intended then. All we need is some AA-vehicles to complete the rock paper scissors. Dropships destroy tanks (similar to how choppers destroy tanks), tanks destroy AA-vehicles, and AA-vehicles destroy dropships.
"A dropship is a fictional transport vehicle featured frequently in science fiction, in particular military science fiction and space opera genres. A dropship is a common fictional spacecraft archetype, generally depicted as designed to DELIVER TROOPS and equipment onto a planetary surface." |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
285
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:31:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:"A dropship is a fictional transport vehicle featured frequently in science fiction, in particular military science fiction and space opera genres. A dropship is a common fictional spacecraft archetype, generally depicted as designed to DELIVER TROOPS and equipment onto a planetary surface."
Military **** has guns. You've now got the memo. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:33:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Working as intended then. All we need is some AA-vehicles to complete the rock paper scissors. Dropships destroy tanks (similar to how choppers destroy tanks), tanks destroy AA-vehicles, and AA-vehicles destroy dropships. "A dropship is a fictional transport vehicle featured frequently in science fiction, in particular military science fiction and space opera genres. A dropship is a common fictional spacecraft archetype, generally depicted as designed to DELIVER TROOPS and equipment onto a planetary surface." The dropship is a two-engine VTOL craft that combines advances in shielded hardware, redundant software protocols, and networked aeronautics into a heavily armored tactical platform capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile situations. Its standard five-man carrying capacity, dual hardpoints, and reinforced plating allow it to operate independently in any situation, alternately tracking and engaging enemy targets and ferrying troops into and out of harm's way. The Logistics class is the ultimate troop transport. A vehicle that, thanks to its on-board Clone Reactivation Unit (CRU), redefines the notion of frontline troop insertion. |
Fiasco Llana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
256
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:35:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Fiasco Llana wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Working as intended then. All we need is some AA-vehicles to complete the rock paper scissors. Dropships destroy tanks (similar to how choppers destroy tanks), tanks destroy AA-vehicles, and AA-vehicles destroy dropships. "A dropship is a fictional transport vehicle featured frequently in science fiction, in particular military science fiction and space opera genres. A dropship is a common fictional spacecraft archetype, generally depicted as designed to DELIVER TROOPS and equipment onto a planetary surface." The dropship is a two-engine VTOL craft that combines advances in shielded hardware, redundant software protocols, and networked aeronautics into a heavily armored tactical platform capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile situations. Its standard five-man carrying capacity, dual hardpoints, and reinforced plating allow it to operate independently in any situation, alternately tracking and engaging enemy targets and ferrying troops into and out of harm's way. The Logistics class is the ultimate troop transport. A vehicle that, thanks to its on-board Clone Reactivation Unit (CRU), redefines the notion of frontline troop insertion.
Yeah, that means the gunners seat. Not a fully automatic death cannon that can take out anything in miliseconds. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
118
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:49:00 -
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Hmmm, I seem to remember being shot out of the sky when I was only transporting troops.
Even when I was red line flying to leard the controls, some guy with a railgun tank or a forge gunner would come aand shoot me outta the sky.
Edit:also, in the book templar 1, the dropships have 3 under mounted guns. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3082
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:57:00 -
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I literally can't fly, but I run a tank on one of my alts. And I think whoever built that tank is an idiot.
There are a few possible explanations:
1. It was an armour tank, and the Dropship was an all-missile fitting with both side guns manned, and everyone was hitting the tank all at once. And the driver forgot/failed to keep his resists up. 2. It was a really, REALLY well-fitted Dropship with all 3 guns hitting the tank at once, AND the tank was badly fitted. 3. The tank was fitted so badly you have no business claiming it's not a Militia tank. 4. You're lying and it was a Militia tank. 5. You didn't realise there was a Forge Gunner shooting you at the same time.
You DO NOT get Dropships killing tanks that easily. You certainly don't get high-tier tanks that die like you described even against Assault Dropships.
Also, if you're a competent tanker, you should know how to tilt the tank and get an angle to fire up, or switch into the top gun which can aim up, and knock the Dropship into a position where you can hit it. They're not only really fragile, but also lighter than other Dropships, and therefore more vulnerable to being shaken about and pushed into targeting range.
Maybe try not soloing against a 3-person squad? |
Second Cerberus
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:58:00 -
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Val'herik Dorn wrote:You have done it... you have made the one thread i never thought i would EVER see...
A dropship is OP thread....
The end times are upon us...
You must have missed about 3 builds in Beta.
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
302
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Posted - 2013.05.18 15:59:00 -
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I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on OP's assessment of events. I've done enough flying in an assault DS with proto turret to know that no HAV is going down in five seconds to that thing, not even with all three turrets firing. Either you're making stuff up or you were under fire from multiple sources. |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
480
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:01:00 -
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Sad thing is CCP will listen to this idiot. Assault dropships take more like 50+ seconds to kill a tank if all shots are placed well and if tank is built well. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1376
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:02:00 -
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We are talking about a small missile turret that someone can fit on a LAV here...
The XT-1 Accelerated Missile Launcher has a direct damage of 455 and a fire interval of 1.6 seconds. So in five seconds it can do a maximum damage of 1,365 HP. If your tank had that little eHP it deserved to die.
The XT-1 Cycled Missile Launcher is a little harder to figure. It is listed as 250.2 HP firing as a single burst wit a 0.4s interval.
Based on experience I know it has a three missile burst, and let's give each of those three missiles the full 250.2 HP. That gives us 750.6 HP per burst. The burst itself takes enough time that it can get only two bursts off in five seconds.
That gives it 1,500 in five seconds. Again, if your super tank died to that it sucks.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3101
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Posted - 2013.05.18 16:03:00 -
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You don't even need the forward turret, just hover in your logi ship above them and let your gunner go to town.
Just tears here, nothing to see folks. |
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