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Paper Cutter
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:35:00 -
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Inter-alliance clone transfers would be nice but since districts being attacked are locked, it won't help (unless that is rectified). This would encourage small corp alliances to become common practice. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:37:00 -
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Paper Cutter wrote:Inter-alliance clone transfers would be nice but since districts being attacked are locked, it won't help (unless that is rectified). This would encourage small corp alliances to become common practice.
Agreed nice idea. +1 |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
309
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:38:00 -
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Banned OP should fall on deaf ears. CCP don't listen to nerd.
Your few seconds of fame is officially over. |
ALM1GHTY B44L R00
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
88
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:42:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote:Once a district is being attacked, it doesn't matter how many other districts a corp owns, how much ISK they have, or how many players they have. A district being attacked is "locked" and can't be reinforced. A small corp with enough cash to attack 3 or 4 times can and will take the district if they win their battles. After that, you own the district and the aforementioned advantage is yours.
If you think larger corps/alliances give an advantage, then either join one, or make one. So this is now a disadvantage for the defender. A bigger corp can keep attacking the same district over and over again till the clones deplete. How is this balanced again?
Define "balanced." As far as I'm concerned, it's balanced because everyone is given the same opportunity to create/join an alliance. |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
343
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:43:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Val'herik Dorn wrote:That's the thing... in life eve any time where something is at stake the larger horde will win...
It is not a bad thing really. I wish people would realize that they need to group up. More people means more funds means more attacks. Dust isn't aboug the little guy ***** smacking the big guy. Its about finding 100 people the big guy has alienated and recruiting them into your corp/alliance and bdcoming the big guy. You need others you aren't master chief you are the faceless marines who gets given the plasma pistol with 2 shots left while mc runs off with your bfg... True dat. Its just that I want this game to succeed. However pushing the Eve mentality is a bit premature. For example;- in Eve even though corps may dislike each other they say GF in the end. You don't see much smack talking. However is Dust its the other way round. More smack talking and less action. If Dust becomes like Eve where the Zerg mentality wins and its more about throwing thousands of clones with no skill against a smaller corp with better skill, you will see people leaving. Day 1: Throw 100 clones;- deplete 10. District cannot produce more clones Day 2: Repeat day1 Day 3: Repeat day 2 .... By day 10 the defender is out of clones. Unless I got it all wrong there is a serious flaw here. You have it wrong, if you win whilst defending you continue to produce clones. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:43:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Banned OP should fall on deaf ears. CCP don't listen to nerd.
Your few seconds of fame is officially over.
I heard you were being paid 5 million ISK per ringer. And still you guys lost to Dust University and other corps.
I guess with ZeroTheBigLoss spearheading the ringing effort you couldn't expect anything more. Try as may you will never be better than Tryhard. Keep walking in his shadow. You will make a pretty bride. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:46:00 -
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ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote:
Define "balanced." As far as I'm concerned, it's balanced because everyone is given the same opportunity to create/join an alliance.
Unfortunately no. The only way you can create an alliance is in Eve. Dust does not let you create alliances. An all dust corp cannot join an alliance unless they have an Eve CEO. So its flawed here.
Granted Dust and Eve need to mesh together but a lot of corps don't have Eve tie ups;- not because they cant but because they have no way of doing so.
So unfortunately Sir;- you are mistaken here. |
Aztook nallac
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:52:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote: For example;- in Eve even though corps may dislike each other they say GF in the end. You don't see much smack talking. However is Dust its the other way round. More smack talking and less action.
If I remember the early years of Eve was all smack talk and much aggression, it mellowed down when most people met up with each other in places like Fanfest realizing that the people they were fighting were really people playing like them. Might be wrong, not an Eve player, just someone who reads stuff. Also the only changes I think PC should get is making it bigger, and have more things to do on the battlefield. Maybe bring in the old Skirmish mode from old beta, call it something else, just make it feel as unique as it is meant to be. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
310
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:54:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Banned OP should fall on deaf ears. CCP don't listen to nerd.
Your few seconds of fame is officially over. I heard you were being paid 5 million ISK per ringer. And still you guys lost to Dust University and other corps. I guess with ZeroTheBigLoss spearheading the ringing effort you couldn't expect anything more. Try as may you will never be better than Tryhard. Keep walking in his shadow. You will make a pretty bride.
Lol! You really should get a better source I have never even fought Dust University I give you props for making up something as funny as this. |
ALM1GHTY B44L R00
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
88
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Posted - 2013.05.18 03:59:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote:
Define "balanced." As far as I'm concerned, it's balanced because everyone is given the same opportunity to create/join an alliance.
Unfortunately no. The only way you can create an alliance is in Eve. Dust does not let you create alliances. An all dust corp cannot join an alliance unless they have an Eve CEO. So its flawed here. Granted Dust and Eve need to mesh together but a lot of corps don't have Eve tie ups;- not because they cant but because they have no way of doing so. So unfortunately Sir;- you are mistaken here.
You don't need the alliance tag to be a part of an alliance. |
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Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:01:00 -
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ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote: You don't need the alliance tag to be a part of an alliance.
So how can you transfer clones between alliance members. Are you suggesting that one corp be able to sell their clones to another corp for ISK? |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:02:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Lol! You really should get a better source I have never even fought Dust University I give you props for making up something as funny as this.
Fact of the matter is that you rang and lost a good amount you rings. SI may as well have hired DU. |
ALM1GHTY B44L R00
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
88
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:02:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote: You don't need the alliance tag to be a part of an alliance.
So how can you transfer clones between alliance members. Are you suggesting that one corp be able to sell their clones to another corp for ISK?
This can't be done in a formal alliance any more than in an informal one. |
Paper Cutter
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:05:00 -
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ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote: You don't need the alliance tag to be a part of an alliance.
So how can you transfer clones between alliance members. Are you suggesting that one corp be able to sell their clones to another corp for ISK? This can't be done in a formal alliance any more than in an informal one. Inter-alliance monetary transfers are possible though, right? |
GetShotUp
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
165
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:07:00 -
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Lets talk about the lag |
TheSprayNPray2
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:08:00 -
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GetShotUp wrote:Lets talk about the lag
Go away Bebe |
ALM1GHTY B44L R00
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:39:00 -
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Paper Cutter wrote:ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote: You don't need the alliance tag to be a part of an alliance.
So how can you transfer clones between alliance members. Are you suggesting that one corp be able to sell their clones to another corp for ISK? This can't be done in a formal alliance any more than in an informal one. Inter-alliance monetary transfers are possible though, right?
no |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:52:00 -
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ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote:Paper Cutter wrote:ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote: You don't need the alliance tag to be a part of an alliance.
So how can you transfer clones between alliance members. Are you suggesting that one corp be able to sell their clones to another corp for ISK? This can't be done in a formal alliance any more than in an informal one. Inter-alliance monetary transfers are possible though, right? no
At least not yet. Remember this game will always be getting perfected. I am speculating that soonTM EVE players will be able to fund the purchase of clone packs for the taking or defending of districts either in part or in full should they so choose. I am also speculating that should they choose to, EVE players will be able to provide DUST allies with all types of gear and vehicles to aid Mercs in battle. |
Lorilai Libertas
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:56:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Alliances
/thread
We are part of a small corp coalition that we founded not a few weeks ago. Last Thursday we had 8 PC battles, 6 of which were against a very large alliance+friends. Our coalition went 4/4 that day.
atm, the "Big" corp has spent 160m to get my corp's district. at some point they are going to ask if its worth it...
to be honest, the thing that is hurting us the most is the latency lag we get every time we face these particular folks. if our fight tomorrow goes poorly as a result of the lag, I will be petitioning. not because we are a very small corp (much less than 50 members) ... but because both sides deserve an honest, stable match.
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
722
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Posted - 2013.05.18 05:06:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:If we want this game to succeed you need to think about making it competitive. Having small corps compete with big corps/alliances on an uneven playing field will not make the game fun. The cost of the clones should be proportional to the corp size. Setting a base price for the clones and multiplying that with the member count or having some sort of algorithm to do that would help the smaller corps a lot. Are you Jon Snow?
Do you know nothing?
lol |
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
383
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Posted - 2013.05.18 05:10:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:
Ya Dust is not gonna spoon feed you. Adapt or die.
I guess you didnt adapt |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries
191
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Posted - 2013.05.18 05:21:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Specter RND wrote:I don't think people have grasped the concept of a RPG.
Played for a while = High SP ISK and Skill in general = Higher end gear
You shouldn't expect hitting a lot as a new player. In RPG terms, you can't just fly into the final battle expecting to beat that boss as a first starter. RPGs dont play that way
Inb4 Rocket Propelled Grenade
Im not talking about RPG mechanics. I am talking about balance. I have over 14 million SP. It has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about smaller corps vs larger corps. PS: How long do you think it will before Uncliamed or Cronos or RofL or EoN takes your districts?
Well, maybe you can start in a comfortable alliance and then raise as a First Level Corporation and try to make your own way.
Like in a job. Get in into an alliance. Make things good. Be remarkable. Win position, be the principal corp of the alliance, and then be the principal corporation of the alliance, or go SOLO and make your own rules.
That sounds as an alternative good option too. (At least for me)
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4291
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Posted - 2013.05.18 05:44:00 -
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Larger the corporation the more chances it can break apart from within. |
Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
143
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:19:00 -
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When EVE players are allowed to transfer ISK then small corps will not have a problem supplying mercs for PC. |
137H4RGIC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
37
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:20:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:I don''t get why people think that because their corp aint huge or successful they feel they should be spoon fed. You're right, CCP should make Wellfare Clones for Small businesses xD |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
203
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:51:00 -
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"The cost of the clones should be proportional to the corp size."
This is the funniest line I've heard in this whole thread.
"Hi. My peaches sell for a base price of 1 each but, if there's more than one person in your household they cost more. You have seven? Ok. That'll be 13 each for you. Yes I know that person just walked away with one for 2, but he only has two other people besides himself in his household, you have seven so you pay more."
LMFAO |
Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
143
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Posted - 2013.05.18 06:54:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:"The cost of the clones should be proportional to the corp size."
This is the funniest line I've heard in this whole thread.
Why not? CCP already made it so that the size of your corp in EVE effects the cost of the wardec.
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
204
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:38:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:"The cost of the clones should be proportional to the corp size."
This is the funniest line I've heard in this whole thread.
Why not? CCP already made it so that the size of your corp in EVE effects the cost of the wardec.
1. The cost of a war dec is supposedly paying fees to Concord, and faction law enforcement, to disregard combat as long as it only involves the Corporations and alliances officially involved in the conflict. Hence the more potentially involved pilots, the higher the fee.
2: The death mechanic in Eve is a bit different from Dust. One don't have to spend up to tens of millions to upgrade a clone every time one dies in Dust, like one does in Eve, if one doesn't want to risk loosing skill points and skill levels. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
177
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:47:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:When EVE players are allowed to transfer ISK then small corps will not have a problem supplying mercs for PC.
No, they'll just have problems holding planets in the first place since everything will be held by corps subsidized with metric shittons of moon goo ISK.
I still think it makes sense to have the cost of a clone pack be dictated by the number of Dust mercs in the corp. Having stated that, I also feel that a "clone pack" should give 1 clone for every Dust merc in the purchasing corp. The number of clones dedicated to a PC attack/defense should still be at least somewhat moderated (no more than X clones per side), but a clone pack should be supplying the entire corp with 1 clone per merc.
Maybe they should add extra clone packs, or allow the purchase of clone packs where you buy X clones per Dust merc in corp.
Either way, the clone packs should be ((cost of clone*number of dust mercs in corp)* number of clones supplied for each dust merc in corp). |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
552
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:53:00 -
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With regards to OP...
Frankly, it's not about size. Past a certain size, it doesn't matter how big you are, as long as you can fund attacks. For example, a 50 man corp can donate 2mil each per day if they run miltia fits in pubs. That's, what, 7 matches, at most? So run 7 matches, launch an attack, run another seven in preparation for the next day's attack, then play as you like. There's a little something called discipline, and most clans/corps/guilds have it in order to be successful.
That 50 man corp can then send 16 of their best players to attack the district. If the opponent is bad, then it's an easy takeover. If they're good, you've chipped away (hopefully a lot) at their clone count. |
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