I don't think people have grasped the concept of a RPG.

Played for a while = High SP ISK and Skill in general = Higher end gear

You shouldn't expect hitting a lot as a new player. In RPG terms, you can't just fly into the final battle expecting to beat that boss as a first starter. RPGs dont play that way

Inb4 Rocket Propelled Grenade

From what I've gathered, parts of this game aren't supposed to be fair. Hence the HTFU and whatnot.

Posting in an imp alt thread

PC is designed in such a way that it favours the defender. CCP has tried to balance it out so that the attacker has to attack multiple times but there is a serious flaw in this;- smaller corps will not be able to put up the dough for this.

On an average a player may put in 1-2 hours of gameplay everyday. If he/she is really good and doesn't die a single time they will net a max of 2 million in 2 hours. Consider a small 50 man corp having all active members that do this. They will net enough money to fight a battle on day 1. They can do so day 2 and win the district. However a large corporation;- say STB can put 10 times that money up in the same time. This leaves the smaller corp at a serious disadvantage. So essentially STB has enough ISK to attack the smaller guy 11 times in the same time the smaller guy can attack someone else.

Financially speaking this will be a nightmare for the smaller.

If we want this game to succeed you need to think about making it competitive. Having small corps compete with big corps/alliances on an uneven playing field will not make the game fun. The cost of the clones should be proportional to the corp size. Setting a base price for the clones and multiplying that with the member count or having some sort of algorithm to do that would help the smaller corps a lot.

Option 2 would be to make the returns from FW higher. If the ISK returns got from FW were higher it would be an incentive for smaller corps to do more FW and earn ISK faster.

If CCP truly wants balance they should figure out a way such that districts that are not under attack for a period of say 3 days should give more bonuses for attacks.

There are many pros and cons over here but the way PC is headed it looks like its going to the same issue CCP has with the Goons in space.

That's the thing... in life eve any time where something is at stake the larger horde will win...

It is not a bad thing really. I wish people would realize that they need to group up. More people means more funds means more attacks. Dust isn't aboug the little guy ***** smacking the big guy. Its about finding 100 people the big guy has alienated and recruiting them into your corp/alliance and bdcoming the big guy. You need others you aren't master chief you are the faceless marines who gets given the plasma pistol with 2 shots left while mc runs off with your bfg...

If we want this game to succeed you need to think about making it competitive. Having small corps compete with big corps/alliances on an uneven playing field will not make the game fun. The cost of the clones should be proportional to the corp size. Setting a base price for the clones and multiplying that with the member count or having some sort of algorithm to do that would help the smaller corps a lot.

Option 2 would be to make the returns from FW higher. If the ISK returns got from FW were higher it would be an incentive for smaller corps to do more FW and earn ISK faster.

Stop acting like you care about the smaller corps. IF you really gave a damn about complete player balance and small corps a complete WIPE would be best NEVER should BETA testers get advantage over brand new players. That just makes absolutely no sense when a game is released officially 5-14 makes no sense. Smaller corps can still play pubs and get isk if they keep dieing and losing ISK in matches nobody ever said this was a new player friendly game.

I don''t get why people think that because their corp aint huge or successful they feel they should be spoon fed.

PC is designed in such a way that it favours the defender. CCP has tried to balance it out so that the attacker has to attack multiple times but there is a serious flaw in this;- smaller corps will not be able to put up the dough for this.

On an average a player may put in 1-2 hours of gameplay everyday. If he/she is really good and doesn't die a single time they will net a max of 2 million in 2 hours. Consider a small 50 man corp having all active members that do this. They will net enough money to fight a battle on day 1. They can do so day 2 and win the district. However a large corporation;- say STB can put 10 times that money up in the same time. This leaves the smaller corp at a serious disadvantage. So essentially STB has enough ISK to attack the smaller guy 11 times in the same time the smaller guy can attack someone else.

Financially speaking this will be a nightmare for the smaller.

If we want this game to succeed you need to think about making it competitive. Having small corps compete with big corps/alliances on an uneven playing field will not make the game fun. The cost of the clones should be proportional to the corp size. Setting a base price for the clones and multiplying that with the member count or having some sort of algorithm to do that would help the smaller corps a lot.

Option 2 would be to make the returns from FW higher. If the ISK returns got from FW were higher it would be an incentive for smaller corps to do more FW and earn ISK faster.

If CCP truly wants balance they should figure out a way such that districts that are not under attack for a period of say 3 days should give more bonuses for attacks.

There are many pros and cons over here but the way PC is headed it looks like its going to the same issue CCP has with the Goons in space.

FPS gamers are not capsulers. They wont stay if either they are constantly pub stomped or their is no content to the game.

Right now PC is the only content this game has to offer. FW would have but the rewards are sub par at best. If PC cant keep people of this game;- nothing can.

I guess you have a readin disability so I will spell it out to you;- I have mentioned in my OP that there should be an alternate way to grind ISK and I recommend FW for that.

As far as a reset is concerned I dont care about it. But its not a part of the discussion now. We can discuss that in another topic. Would you mind creating one for it and I really don't care about resets?

I guess ZeroTheBigLoss should have been your name.

Anywho;- I am talking about smaller corps being able to grind ISK faster or have the clone pack cost proportional to the strength of the corp. There may be other ideas too.

The while post is too bring out discrepancies in PC.

What you have to realize is that many of the big corps got big by recruiting noobs. So while they may have a lot of money, they don't have a lot of skill. Take PRO for example.

Ya Dust is not gonna spoon feed you. Adapt or die.

its the same in eve with smaller corps not being able to fund owning space and the pos equipment and sov units and upgrades and all that like the big corps and alliances. there is just certain parts of both eve and dust that are not a viable option for smaller corps and that is just the way it is. as far as it goes its just a fact of life the the little guys dont get the chances and opportunities that the big guys get, yeah its not fair but that again is just the way it is

OK ZeroTheBigLoss! Point noted. But my mentality is not Adapt or Die;- Its Adapt and Kill.

Remember this when I teabag that big 0 which is your face!

I guess ZeroTheBigLoss should have been your name.

Once other regions open up for PC business, small corps will be able to establish their little cribs far from Molden Heath, where I assume the big corps and alliances will be battling it out. As large as a corporation is, it can't hold everything. Currently, there's only enough room for the big fish. If even one or two more regions become enabled for PC, bigger alliances will refrain from expanding too rapidly just to end up expending resources on districts they can't protect (not to mention creating ridiculously high clone transfer costs as the number of jumps increase), and will stick to what they have a slowly consolidate, leaving the fringes open for the small peeps to fight each other.

If battles weren't favoured towards the defender, we'd simply see districts being flipped left and right, with no one actually getting any benefits from the EVE-side PI bonuses and clone sales.

Alliances

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Now that it's noted you won't get spoon fed this thread can be closed. GM let's get a lock on this.

Once a district is being attacked, it doesn't matter how many other districts a corp owns, how much ISK they have, or how many players they have. A district being attacked is "locked" and can't be reinforced. A small corp with enough cash to attack 3 or 4 times can and will take the district if they win their battles. After that, you own the district and the aforementioned advantage is yours.

If you think larger corps/alliances give an advantage, then either join one, or make one.