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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:55:00 -
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That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!! |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3080
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:56:00 -
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Shhh, the AR takes the most skill to use  |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1174
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:59:00 -
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IF CCP was smart they would remove ammo alltogether from laser weapons, make them over heat only weapons, then the advantage of the AR would be clear. As to why it wouldn't overheat.
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Jan Solar
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:59:00 -
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because gallente are better engineers and more advanced than amarr. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
306
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:59:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!!
Is this a real question? Have you ever shot a gun? Did it over heat and burn your hand after you were done with it? |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
293
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:02:00 -
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Jan Solar wrote:because gallente are better engineers and more advanced than amarr.
Uhhhhhhh....... not sure if trolling those Gallente scumbags or serious......
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Stef Aile
Amplitude.
Reverberation Project
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:06:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!! Is this a real question? Have you ever shot a gun? Did it over heat and burn your hand after you were done with it?
Is this a real response? Have you ever shot a plasma gun? If so, where, because I want one. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
423
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:06:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!! Is this a real question? Have you ever shot a gun? Did it over heat and burn your hand after you were done with it?
there is clearly a visual for it, it does turn red.
but hey it is a bullet so water cooled barrel designed to fire the max clip size without overheating and the reload has to with its over heating. |
GLiMPSE X
Elite Gamers Militia
20
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:07:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!! Is this a real question? Have you ever shot a gun? Did it over heat and burn your hand after you were done with it?
Is this a real answer? Have you ever shot a gun that shoots plasma? C'mon now. |
Stef Aile
Amplitude.
Reverberation Project
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:08:00 -
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GLiMPSE X wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!! Is this a real question? Have you ever shot a gun? Did it over heat and burn your hand after you were done with it? Is this a real answer? Have you ever shot a gun that shoots plasma? C'mon now.
Ninja'd you bro. |
VLIGHT5
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
114
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:09:00 -
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Because CCP's favorite weapon is the Assault Rifle |
Knightshade Belladonna
WH0 G1VSA FL0CK GLOCKS
289
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:40:00 -
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Because it holds between 48-72 ammo and takes a few seconds to reload? why does the submaching gun not overheat, why does the pistol not overheat, why does my grenade not overheat |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
236
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:01:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Because it holds between 48-72 ammo and takes a few seconds to reload? why does the submaching gun not overheat, why does the pistol not overheat, why does my grenade not overheat
SCR has to be reloaded too |
Knightshade Belladonna
WH0 G1VSA FL0CK GLOCKS
290
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:04:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Because it holds between 48-72 ammo and takes a few seconds to reload? why does the submaching gun not overheat, why does the pistol not overheat, why does my grenade not overheat SCR has to be reloaded too
ok take that into thought and then compare damage output and ammo type |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
45
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:09:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!!
I'm afraid you fail to grasp the concept of a hybrid weapon. It is an energy/projectile hybrid, and the energy is in the round itself, not the weapon firing it, except in the case of blasters, which the AR is not, but even then the energy itself goes through a cyclotron in the weapon and maintained in a magnetic field for directed fire.. It's more of a cyclic rail weapon that fires the round itself with the plasma inside it, and the plasma expands on impact.
I imagine the SR overheats because it's a laser weapon, and doesn't take ammunition, therefore in order for it to not be OP, it needs a brief cooldown period that reflects a reload.
EDIT: After checking out the SR, I agree that if it is an overheating laser weapon, than ammunition should not be a factor. But if it is using an energy source that is depletable, than it would have to be changed out and the weapon would still overheat. Otherwise, it would have to be a disposable weapon, like the plasma weapons in halo, to be discarded once the power source is drained. |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
218
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:13:00 -
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Range is no where near a standard rifle range, accuracy is random, and only work 90% effectively when aiming trough the sights. Most skills seems to be useless, and only makes the weapon worst and not better.
And you want to nerf the AR even more, because people still killing you with it ?
You don't want to know what i think about people like you.... and i don't want to get banned from the forums for another month. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
236
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:23:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Because it holds between 48-72 ammo and takes a few seconds to reload? why does the submaching gun not overheat, why does the pistol not overheat, why does my grenade not overheat SCR has to be reloaded too ok take that into thought and then compare damage output and ammo type
your argument is flawed because ARs have higher average DPS too |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
502
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:23:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!! Is this a real question? Have you ever shot a gun? Did it over heat and burn your hand after you were done with it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine
The US Navy uses M4A1s for Special Operations and by vehicle crews.
Some features of the M4 and M4A1 compared to a full-length M16-series rifle include:
Compact size
Shortened barrel 14.5 in (370 mm), which includes the shorter carbine gas system.
Telescoping buttstock
However, there have been some criticisms of the carbine, such as lower muzzle velocities and louder report due to the shorter barrel, additional stress on parts because of the shorter gas system, and a tendency to overheat faster than the M16A2. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1254
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Shhh, the AR takes the most skill to use
it does |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
45
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:27:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Because it holds between 48-72 ammo and takes a few seconds to reload? why does the submaching gun not overheat, why does the pistol not overheat, why does my grenade not overheat SCR has to be reloaded too ok take that into thought and then compare damage output and ammo type your argument is flawed because ARs have higher average DPS too just a small lesson for you: GEK-38 Assault Rifle Max Range: 68m Optimal Range: 1 - 40m CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle Max Range: 73m Optimal Range: 1 - 29m GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifle Max Range: 95m Optimal Range: 1 - 62m CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle Max Range: 83m Optimal Range: 1 - 45m Overall DPS Duvolle AR: 467.5 Carthum AS: 465.9 DPS vs Shields Duvolle AR: 514.3 Carthum AS: 559.1 DPS vs Armor Duvolle AR: 420.8 Carthum AS: 372.7 in short: ARs have higher range & higher dps. dont waste your SP on SCR, the minor advantage against shields is not worth it.
Please also provide that alpha damage numbers. |
Knightshade Belladonna
WH0 G1VSA FL0CK GLOCKS
291
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:27:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Because it holds between 48-72 ammo and takes a few seconds to reload? why does the submaching gun not overheat, why does the pistol not overheat, why does my grenade not overheat SCR has to be reloaded too ok take that into thought and then compare damage output and ammo type your argument is flawed because ARs have higher average DPS too just a small lesson for you: GEK-38 Assault Rifle Max Range: 68m Optimal Range: 1 - 40m CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle Max Range: 73m Optimal Range: 1 - 29m GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifle Max Range: 95m Optimal Range: 1 - 62m CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle Max Range: 83m Optimal Range: 1 - 45m Overall DPS Duvolle AR: 467.5 Carthum AS: 465.9 DPS vs Shields Duvolle AR: 514.3 Carthum AS: 559.1 DPS vs Armor Duvolle AR: 420.8 Carthum AS: 372.7 in short: ARs have higher range & higher dps. dont waste your SP on SCR, the minor advantage against shields is not worth it.
heres a small lesson for you, your mom enjoyed the D.
now, go post something real and not just look for comments to counter.
lol, ok I see you did change the post and put in some some stats.. I take my comment back if I could :p |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
237
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:28:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:
However, there have been some criticisms of the carbine, such as lower muzzle velocities and louder report due to the shorter barrel, additional stress on parts because of the shorter gas system, and a tendency to overheat faster than the M16A2.
the overheating is not that severe on the m14 like is in Dust. the m14 will not explode in your face, the riffled barrels will just overheat, crystalize and the accuracy will go down significantly. you should not touch the barrel though :)
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Panther Alpha
WarRavens
218
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:28:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!! Is this a real question? Have you ever shot a gun? Did it over heat and burn your hand after you were done with it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbineThe US Navy uses M4A1s for Special Operations and by vehicle crews. Some features of the M4 and M4A1 compared to a full-length M16-series rifle include: Compact size Shortened barrel 14.5 in (370 mm), which includes the shorter carbine gas system. Telescoping buttstock However, there have been some criticisms of the carbine, such as lower muzzle velocities and louder report due to the shorter barrel, additional stress on parts because of the shorter gas system, and a tendency to overheat faster than the M16A2.
Do you even know how a real gun overheats, and what it does to the weapon ? come on, google that to Einstein |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
237
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:29:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:
heres a small lesson for you, your mom enjoyed the D.
now, go post something real and not just look for comments to counter.
obvious denial is obvious. I will enjoy your butthurt and tears when the nerfhammer hits the ARs |
Knightshade Belladonna
WH0 G1VSA FL0CK GLOCKS
291
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:33:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:
heres a small lesson for you, your mom enjoyed the D.
now, go post something real and not just look for comments to counter.
obvious denial is obvious. I will enjoy your butthurt and tears when the nerfhammer hits the ARs
it really couldn't hit it any harder, but when it does i'll be ready.. just as I have been since closed beta.. there will always be tears from those who hate it, and tears from those who use it when the haters get thier way.. ( ironsights, horrible spray) but I will continue to use mine just as I have always done. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
46
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:40:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:
heres a small lesson for you, your mom enjoyed the D.
now, go post something real and not just look for comments to counter.
obvious denial is obvious. I will enjoy your butthurt and tears when the nerfhammer hits the ARs it really couldn't hit it any harder, but when it does i'll be ready.. just as I have been since closed beta.. there will always be tears from those who hate it, and tears from those who use it when the haters get thier way.. ( ironsights, horrible spray) but I will continue to use mine just as I have always done.
Every AR nerf in every game is followed by someone still complaining about it who wants to use a more specialised weapon with it's own special drawbacks, but still expect it to uber-pwn everything no matter what because it's their choice. People need to stop expecting the game to be shaped just for their expectations at the expense of everybody else who uses these weapons well without anything to complain about. There are a few issues with a few weapons, but the AR is not one of them. The TAR maybe, but the AR as is is fine. |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
218
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:41:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:
heres a small lesson for you, your mom enjoyed the D.
now, go post something real and not just look for comments to counter.
obvious denial is obvious. I will enjoy your butthurt and tears when the nerfhammer hits the ARs it really couldn't hit it any harder, but when it does i'll be ready.. just as I have been since closed beta.. there will always be tears from those who hate it, and tears from those who use it when the haters get thier way.. ( ironsights, horrible spray) but I will continue to use mine just as I have always done.
The way this is going... we going to have to use the AR as a melee weapon..and even then, they probably going to try nerfing that too. |
Elrick Mercer
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:50:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:That thing is firing plasma bullets which are at least 1-2 million 'c. So why the hell doesn't it overheat like the scrambler rifle??!! Is this a real question? Have you ever shot a gun? Did it over heat and burn your hand after you were done with it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbineThe US Navy uses M4A1s for Special Operations and by vehicle crews. Some features of the M4 and M4A1 compared to a full-length M16-series rifle include: Compact size Shortened barrel 14.5 in (370 mm), which includes the shorter carbine gas system. Telescoping buttstock However, there have been some criticisms of the carbine, such as lower muzzle velocities and louder report due to the shorter barrel, additional stress on parts because of the shorter gas system, and a tendency to overheat faster than the M16A2.
Okay in order for an the m4 or the m16 to overheat you would need a drum containing well over 100 rounds to even get to the point where you would have to swap a barrel out. In my 5 years as a rifleman I have never had my m4 over heat on me even after firing a full 30 round mag.
Also given the fact that these are supposedly much more advanced weapons that already come across as gimped compared to what we fire today on range alone you shouldn't use real world weaponry to compare to fictional weaponry in a video game. |
J'Hiera
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:56:00 -
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It does take a lot of heat. But the heat sink at the tip under the barrel takes it all.You notice it glow when you reload after emptying an entire clip.
I'm sure the Gallente put some nanite repair paste fuel bay in there to cool it off every time a shot is fired :P |
YoUnGcUz
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
71
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:02:00 -
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The Balac and Krin assault rifles both overheat |
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