DUST Search - Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Delirium Inferno wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

There is no ETA other than its in the pipeline.

As for what CCP does with SP involed it will be up to them.

I would personally like to see the specific skills (amarr heavy and amarr sentinel suits) allowing you to change your race if you need to.

That doesn't work because some people who want to be say Gallente Heavy don't have the option now so are doing perhaps one of the medium suits in the meantime. And then they get all the skills focused around that medium suit (weapons and mods and stuff). When the other heavy suits (and light suits) come in there needs to be another optional full respec. Hopefully they can get all the remaining suit frames out in one big push so we're not constantly doing this respec thing.

Like I said earlier I don't expect a full respec ever unless there is significant changes to the tree such as redoing all of its bonuses, or layout even to the point you cannot be doing what you where doing previously before.

In this scenario chances are they would probably just refund the heavy only skill since other races don't exist yet.

Had it been all racial suits where available but skill was unified to be split then ccp would likely give automatic levels in the skills that got split.

Just because they add pilot suits, doesnt mean you will get a respec, just because they added commando suits doesnt mean you get a respec. just because they added MAVs and their SCV cousins doens't mean you get a respec. Just because you got a rail rifle doenst mean you got a respec.


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Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 278	Posted - 2013.05.17 16:08:00 - [1] - Quote You don't need 1.8 million SP to get into a basic heavy. There are militia heavies, so you could do it with no skill points. Also you only need Amarr Heavy Frame Level 1 to get the standard "basic" heavy frame. By the time you spend 1.8 you have the prototype "basic" heavy frame. Going Sentinel just restarts the process but with slight bonuses, which are hardly worth it.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 278	Posted - 2013.05.17 16:40:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There is no ETA other than its in the pipeline. As for what CCP does with SP involed it will be up to them. I would personally like to see the specific skills (amarr heavy and amarr sentinel suits) allowing you to change your race if you need to. That doesn't work because some people who want to be say Gallente Heavy don't have the option now so are doing perhaps one of the medium suits in the meantime. And then they get all the skills focused around that medium suit (weapons and mods and stuff). When the other heavy suits (and light suits) come in there needs to be another optional full respec. Hopefully they can get all the remaining suit frames out in one big push so we're not constantly doing this respec thing.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 279	Posted - 2013.05.17 17:57:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There is no ETA other than its in the pipeline. As for what CCP does with SP involed it will be up to them. I would personally like to see the specific skills (amarr heavy and amarr sentinel suits) allowing you to change your race if you need to. That doesn't work because some people who want to be say Gallente Heavy don't have the option now so are doing perhaps one of the medium suits in the meantime. And then they get all the skills focused around that medium suit (weapons and mods and stuff). When the other heavy suits (and light suits) come in there needs to be another optional full respec. Hopefully they can get all the remaining suit frames out in one big push so we're not constantly doing this respec thing. Like I said earlier I don't expect a full respec ever unless there is significant changes to the tree such as redoing all of its bonuses, or layout even to the point you cannot be doing what you where doing previously before. In this scenario chances are they would probably just refund the heavy only skill since other races don't exist yet. Had it been all racial suits where available but skill was unified to be split then ccp would likely give automatic levels in the skills that got split. Just because they add pilot suits, doesnt mean you will get a respec, just because they added commando suits doesnt mean you get a respec. just because they added MAVs and their SCV cousins doens't mean you get a respec. Just because you got a rail rifle doenst mean you got a respec. No, I agree with you that just because they add specializations to suits like Pilot and Commando or add new vehicles like fighter jets doesn't mean that CCP should give you a respec. But if they do something as fundamental as add racial basic variants then that would qualify as need for a respec in my opinion. And again it would have to be a full respec because it completely changes how you skill everything you have, just like CCP is offering a full respec because they are simply reducing the skill multiplier of a skill. By your logic they should just give everyone the skill points back for those skills, but CCP understands that it affects everything else you do and are thus offering the optional full respec. And keep in mind, I am suggesting that ideally this would only happen one time by adding the 5 suits (Caldari Light Basic, Amarr Light Basic, Caldari Heavy Basic, Gallente Heavy Basic, and Minmatar Heavy Basic) in one big update. Anything else they add like pilot specialization or speeder bikes or whatever would not qualify for a respec.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 287	Posted - 2013.05.17 22:01:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: If CCP follows EVE as their example of doing things, I won't expect a respec everytime a new suit comes out. Tbh, I'm not sure if I want it either. This game is about investing your SP wisely, and living with your decision. CCP gave us one respec already, and will give us another as soon as the skill tree is redone. Do I think it's cool that they didn't have any other heavy suit for release? No, it sucks!. I wanted to have a choice. They gave us the Amarr frame, and the same ol HMG...well a nerfed version of the HMG. Chances are the other suits coming 4-6 months from now, as the dev said they're not coming "soon enough". 4-6 months is enough time to save up SP to get the race you want. In the mean time, explore other classes, and weapons. Personally, I'm also running Amarr Medium, and saving SP to go into Scrambler Rifles. Yeah it sucks we didn't get races to choose from, but should we expect a respec everytime something new comes out? No. There's a difference between living with a decision and being able to have something to decide from. The least they could do is offer an optional respec just for your suit when the racial ones do come out. The problem again is that not having something to decide changes all the skills you get. I know several guys who want to be a heavy but not an Amarr heavy, some went with Amarr Heavy anyways while they wait but others went with medium suits since Amarr Heavy isn't close enough to the type of heavy role they want. And those people who go into medium suits for the meantime end up spec'ing into light weapons and a piece of equipment and stuff to make that medium suit viable. Now CCP adds the other racial basic suits but only offer a respec to those who have skills in Amarr Heavy Basic and Amarr Sentinel. That doesn't get the job done. Honestly I'm more surprised that CCP is offering an optional full respec because they are lowering the skill multiplier for dropsuits. They argued that it changed the players entire process of what they would of skilled into, but frankly I'm not seeing it. So it wouldn't make sense if CCP offered an optional full respec for something as minuscule as this but when they do something that is absolutely fundamental to the game with the racial basic variants that they would only partially refund skills. And for clarification, I'm not saying adding anything to the game should demand a respec, that's silly. But these 5 basic frames we do not have are so absolutely core and fundamental to the game and it's quite ridiculous they didn't make it into launch to be honest.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 287	Posted - 2013.05.17 22:25:00 - [5] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: Ammar Heavy, and Ammar Sentinel skills should be optionally refunded when the new suits arrive. But ONLY those skills, nothing else. Respectfully disagree and it would be inconsistent with CCP's prior decisions.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 287	Posted - 2013.05.17 22:34:00 - [6] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Ammar Heavy, and Ammar Sentinel skills should be optionally refunded when the new suits arrive. But ONLY those skills, nothing else. Respectfully disagree and it would be inconsistent with CCP's prior decisions. So all the Medium frame users get a respec to use whatever they'd like now that all Med frame races are ready. Yet if you want to be anything other than Ammar Heavy the answer is "Eff you, don't spent your SP For the next two months"? And the same to those who'd prefer Caldari or Ammar Light? No, see my post I made right before yours. It would be inconsistent with how CCP is handling the upcoming skill tree change and the optional respec. It would need to be an optional full refund, not just Amarr Heavy and Amarr Sentinel skills.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 287	Posted - 2013.05.17 22:44:00 - [7] - Quote What I don't get is they seem to have the theme for the slots, armor/shield amount, and speed for each race and at least a concept of what all the heavies would look like? Why not throw some rendering together and get the other heavies out now then? I understand the visual designs aren't final, but they can always change them later. It's still ridiculous how long we're going to have to wait after release just to get the full line up of basic suits.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 288	Posted - 2013.05.17 23:18:00 - [8] - Quote But they only went medium because Amarr Heavy doesn't fill the type of heavy role they want . . . Plus it doesn't even matter, because if CCP is offering a full optional respec for this small skill tree tweak (which I don't agree with either) then they'll surely do one last optional respec when they get the rest of the racial basic suits in.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 288	Posted - 2013.05.17 23:37:00 - [9] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: But they only went medium because Amarr Heavy doesn't fill the type of heavy role they want . . . Plus it doesn't even matter, because if CCP is offering a full optional respec for this small skill tree tweak (which I don't agree with either) then they'll surely do one last optional respec when they get the rest of the racial basic suits in. They do know they can start an Alt on another PSN account right?....I have 3. For me I'm heavy for the weapons not the suit. Point being I wouldn't give up heavy weapons regardless of what suit I'm forced to work with. IMO if You were heavy in chromosome and skilled the same char to Med in uprising then you walked away from the Heavy role with that character. If you want to roll a Heavy again, start an Alt. But I guess that's just my opinion. But if you already got 5-10 million skill points on this character why create an alt? And you'd still want to play on your character so you can keep getting the active skill points. Would it make you feel better if there was some way to make everyone who opted into this proposed full respec contractually obligated to skill into a heavy suit? I mean I see your concern that you don't want people who have no intentions on ever being a heavy to take advantage of this to switch to the new OP flavor of the month, but it would really suck for all those who would use it to go to the heavy they have been waiting for.