DUSTSearch ForumWatch http://dustsearch.com/ The alternative DUST514 Forum browser. en-us Tue, 9 Sep 2025 00:00:00 +0000 DUSTSearch RSS Module v1.1 chribba@evemail <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Delirium Inferno]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822622#post822622 Another Heavy SOB wrote:
Delirium Inferno wrote:
But they only went medium because Amarr Heavy doesn't fill the type of heavy role they want . . .

Plus it doesn't even matter, because if CCP is offering a full optional respec for this small skill tree tweak (which I don't agree with either) then they'll surely do one last optional respec when they get the rest of the racial basic suits in.


They do know they can start an Alt on another PSN account right?....I have 3.

For me I'm heavy for the weapons not the suit. Point being I wouldn't give up heavy weapons regardless of what suit I'm forced to work with. IMO if You were heavy in chromosome and skilled the same char to Med in uprising then you walked away from the Heavy role with that character. If you want to roll a Heavy again, start an Alt. But I guess that's just my opinion.

But if you already got 5-10 million skill points on this character why create an alt? And you'd still want to play on your character so you can keep getting the active skill points.

Would it make you feel better if there was some way to make everyone who opted into this proposed full respec contractually obligated to skill into a heavy suit? I mean I see your concern that you don't want people who have no intentions on ever being a heavy to take advantage of this to switch to the new OP flavor of the month, but it would really suck for all those who would use it to go to the heavy they have been waiting for.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 23:37:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/585175 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Another Heavy SOB]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822586#post822586 Delirium Inferno wrote:
But they only went medium because Amarr Heavy doesn't fill the type of heavy role they want . . .

Plus it doesn't even matter, because if CCP is offering a full optional respec for this small skill tree tweak (which I don't agree with either) then they'll surely do one last optional respec when they get the rest of the racial basic suits in.


They do know they can start an Alt on another PSN account right?....I have 3.

For me I'm heavy for the weapons not the suit. Point being I wouldn't give up heavy weapons regardless of what suit I'm forced to work with. IMO if You were heavy in chromosome and skilled the same char to Med in uprising then you walked away from the Heavy role with that character. If you want to roll a Heavy again, start an Alt. But I guess that's just my opinion.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 23:29:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/585174 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Delirium Inferno]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822539#post822539
Plus it doesn't even matter, because if CCP is offering a full optional respec for this small skill tree tweak (which I don't agree with either) then they'll surely do one last optional respec when they get the rest of the racial basic suits in.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 23:18:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/585136 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Another Heavy SOB]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822459#post822459 Delirium Inferno wrote:
Another Heavy SOB wrote:
Delirium Inferno wrote:
Another Heavy SOB wrote:

Ammar Heavy, and Ammar Sentinel skills should be optionally refunded when the new suits arrive. But ONLY those skills, nothing else.
Respectfully disagree and it would be inconsistent with CCP's prior decisions.


So all the Medium frame users get a respec to use whatever they'd like now that all Med frame races are ready. Yet if you want to be anything other than Ammar Heavy the answer is "Eff you, don't spent your SP For the next two months"? And the same to those who'd prefer Caldari or Ammar Light?

No, see my post I made right before yours. It would be inconsistent with how CCP is handling the upcoming skill tree change and the optional respec. It would need to be an optional full refund, not just Amarr Heavy and Amarr Sentinel skills.


And I'd respectfully disagree...

Your choices when building a character must be carefully considered and your SP spent wisely. There must be consequences for those choices in order for them to be a significant decision. With constant full respecs your choices will have much less meaning.

I am in favor of refunding Heavy frame skills ONLY because we currently have only one choice. Those who skilled Med frame have a full range of options and therefore should work with what they have, or work to skill another race.

The weapons coming in the future should not inspire another respec as the SP investment is very low compared to suits.

Honestly I strongly disagree with the current optional respec. Those who trained infantry shield extenders to purchase vehicle shield extenders were smart enough to know that it was obviously a glitch and with certainty would be fixed by CCP ASAP. Yet they did it anyway knowing it's a waste of SP. I personally feel they should not get a respec, they knew it was a glitch but they did it anyway for instant gratification. Same with those who skilled Weaponry to V thinking they were getting access to Damage mods, they screwed up and spammed buttons without reading, which should have consequences! Part of one's advantage on the field should come from the intelligence they put into their build. And those who put no thought into their SP allocation should be at a disadvantage because of it.




]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 22:59:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/585063 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Delirium Inferno]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822399#post822399 Fri, 17 May 2013 22:44:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584997 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Azrael Nightbane]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822392#post822392 Fri, 17 May 2013 22:42:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584996 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Another Heavy SOB]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822380#post822380 Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
ZiwZih wrote:
I remember the story, but not sure where it was. IRC and with CCP Nothin probably, where it was mentioned that as the racial Heavy suits are not coming soon-soon, they would like to see if people want Type-II or other variants of Amarr.

But then, whole post-Uprising has happened to them, I think they forgot to communicate this issue.


that was mentioned in a thread I had. Don't think anyone wanted it.

People don't want another Amarr variation; heavies seen the bloody same Amarr suit for over a year now. Adding back OLD suits to a new build...yea THAT'S what people would want CCP Roll

People didn't hate the new Amarr suit, they hated the fact that we didn't get a choice in the matter.


I didn't think it was that nobody wanted it, just that we were there to save the HMG from extinction.

I too am tired of seeing the same damn fat suit, but if they want to offer Shield variants I'm not going to agrue. Even a little flexibility is better than what we have now. It may not look Caldari but it'd be a step towards that type of build.
]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 22:38:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584995 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Delirium Inferno]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822356#post822356 Another Heavy SOB wrote:
Delirium Inferno wrote:
Another Heavy SOB wrote:

Ammar Heavy, and Ammar Sentinel skills should be optionally refunded when the new suits arrive. But ONLY those skills, nothing else.
Respectfully disagree and it would be inconsistent with CCP's prior decisions.


So all the Medium frame users get a respec to use whatever they'd like now that all Med frame races are ready. Yet if you want to be anything other than Ammar Heavy the answer is "Eff you, don't spent your SP For the next two months"? And the same to those who'd prefer Caldari or Ammar Light?

No, see my post I made right before yours. It would be inconsistent with how CCP is handling the upcoming skill tree change and the optional respec. It would need to be an optional full refund, not just Amarr Heavy and Amarr Sentinel skills.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 22:34:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584945 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Another Heavy SOB]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822344#post822344 Delirium Inferno wrote:
Another Heavy SOB wrote:

Ammar Heavy, and Ammar Sentinel skills should be optionally refunded when the new suits arrive. But ONLY those skills, nothing else.
Respectfully disagree and it would be inconsistent with CCP's prior decisions.


So all the Medium frame users get a respec to use whatever they'd like now that all Med frame races are ready. Yet if you want to be anything other than Ammar Heavy the answer is "Eff you, don't spent your SP For the next two months"? And the same to those who'd prefer Caldari or Ammar Light?]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 22:32:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584944 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Delirium Inferno]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822309#post822309 Another Heavy SOB wrote:

Ammar Heavy, and Ammar Sentinel skills should be optionally refunded when the new suits arrive. But ONLY those skills, nothing else.
Respectfully disagree and it would be inconsistent with CCP's prior decisions.
]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 22:25:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584912 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Another Heavy SOB]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822291#post822291 martinofski wrote:
CCP Remnant proposed to add all the racial variant under Amarr so we can at least get the diversity until they finish the models I guess. This could be great and would reduce the "Soon" period.

I do believe they will have some kind of respec for heavy suit user, so they can respec in the race they really wanted in the first place. Looking forward to use the Minmatar.


Actually Remnant proposed the idea of bringing back the Type II Shield variants.

It was a community member who suggested using the same Ammar skin for All of the different racial suits, which IMO there's not a snowballs chance in Hell of that happening.

Ammar Heavy, and Ammar Sentinel skills should be optionally refunded when the new suits arrive. But ONLY those skills, nothing else.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 22:22:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584911 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Delirium Inferno]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=822181#post822181 Cosgar wrote:
Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
If CCP follows EVE as their example of doing things, I won't expect a respec everytime a new suit comes out. Tbh, I'm not sure if I want it either.

This game is about investing your SP wisely, and living with your decision. CCP gave us one respec already, and will give us another as soon as the skill tree is redone.

Do I think it's cool that they didn't have any other heavy suit for release? No, it sucks!. I wanted to have a choice. They gave us the Amarr frame, and the same ol HMG...well a nerfed version of the HMG. Chances are the other suits coming 4-6 months from now, as the dev said they're not coming "soon enough".

4-6 months is enough time to save up SP to get the race you want. In the mean time, explore other classes, and weapons. Personally, I'm also running Amarr Medium, and saving SP to go into Scrambler Rifles.

Yeah it sucks we didn't get races to choose from, but should we expect a respec everytime something new comes out? No.

There's a difference between living with a decision and being able to have something to decide from. The least they could do is offer an optional respec just for your suit when the racial ones do come out.
The problem again is that not having something to decide changes all the skills you get. I know several guys who want to be a heavy but not an Amarr heavy, some went with Amarr Heavy anyways while they wait but others went with medium suits since Amarr Heavy isn't close enough to the type of heavy role they want. And those people who go into medium suits for the meantime end up spec'ing into light weapons and a piece of equipment and stuff to make that medium suit viable. Now CCP adds the other racial basic suits but only offer a respec to those who have skills in Amarr Heavy Basic and Amarr Sentinel. That doesn't get the job done.

Honestly I'm more surprised that CCP is offering an optional full respec because they are lowering the skill multiplier for dropsuits. They argued that it changed the players entire process of what they would of skilled into, but frankly I'm not seeing it. So it wouldn't make sense if CCP offered an optional full respec for something as minuscule as this but when they do something that is absolutely fundamental to the game with the racial basic variants that they would only partially refund skills.


And for clarification, I'm not saying adding anything to the game should demand a respec, that's silly. But these 5 basic frames we do not have are so absolutely core and fundamental to the game and it's quite ridiculous they didn't make it into launch to be honest.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 22:01:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584817 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Cosgar]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=821587#post821587 Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
If CCP follows EVE as their example of doing things, I won't expect a respec everytime a new suit comes out. Tbh, I'm not sure if I want it either.

This game is about investing your SP wisely, and living with your decision. CCP gave us one respec already, and will give us another as soon as the skill tree is redone.

Do I think it's cool that they didn't have any other heavy suit for release? No, it sucks!. I wanted to have a choice. They gave us the Amarr frame, and the same ol HMG...well a nerfed version of the HMG. Chances are the other suits coming 4-6 months from now, as the dev said they're not coming "soon enough".

4-6 months is enough time to save up SP to get the race you want. In the mean time, explore other classes, and weapons. Personally, I'm also running Amarr Medium, and saving SP to go into Scrambler Rifles.

Yeah it sucks we didn't get races to choose from, but should we expect a respec everytime something new comes out? No.

There's a difference between living with a decision and being able to have something to decide from. The least they could do is offer an optional respec just for your suit when the racial ones do come out.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 19:27:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584284 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Second Cerberus]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=821520#post821520
At the least I hope CCP considers refunding any SP spent within a dropsuit skill tree when a racial variant is added to that tree. I think that's what you were suggesting as your preference. Players should be confident in spending their SP now and enjoying the content we do have. This game will be a lot less enjoyable if players are hoarding their SP trying to avoid wasting months of SP on a tree they don't really want but have to skill into to even play as a heavy.

Someone mentioned you don't need 1.8 million SP to play Heavy. That is true, however I stated that it requires 1.8 million invested in Amarr Heavy Suits to shield tank. (unlock the Basic Advanced A/1 - Series) If you want to play as a shield heavy (which most Gallente or Caldari players probably would) then that is the only suit with more than 1 high slot and so it is the only suit where "shield tanking" is even remotely possible (though still not really tanking with only two slots).

Also, suggesting you just run militia heavy with 1 high and 1 low slot and limited CPU/PG for months is kind of silly. No suits should be a position at launch where the "smart move" is to only run militia.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 19:12:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/584246 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Delirium Inferno]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=821190#post821190 Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Delirium Inferno wrote:
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
There is no ETA other than its in the pipeline.

As for what CCP does with SP involed it will be up to them.

I would personally like to see the specific skills (amarr heavy and amarr sentinel suits) allowing you to change your race if you need to.

That doesn't work because some people who want to be say Gallente Heavy don't have the option now so are doing perhaps one of the medium suits in the meantime. And then they get all the skills focused around that medium suit (weapons and mods and stuff). When the other heavy suits (and light suits) come in there needs to be another optional full respec. Hopefully they can get all the remaining suit frames out in one big push so we're not constantly doing this respec thing.


Like I said earlier I don't expect a full respec ever unless there is significant changes to the tree such as redoing all of its bonuses, or layout even to the point you cannot be doing what you where doing previously before.

In this scenario chances are they would probably just refund the heavy only skill since other races don't exist yet.

Had it been all racial suits where available but skill was unified to be split then ccp would likely give automatic levels in the skills that got split.

Just because they add pilot suits, doesnt mean you will get a respec, just because they added commando suits doesnt mean you get a respec. just because they added MAVs and their SCV cousins doens't mean you get a respec. Just because you got a rail rifle doenst mean you got a respec.

No, I agree with you that just because they add specializations to suits like Pilot and Commando or add new vehicles like fighter jets doesn't mean that CCP should give you a respec. But if they do something as fundamental as add racial basic variants then that would qualify as need for a respec in my opinion. And again it would have to be a full respec because it completely changes how you skill everything you have, just like CCP is offering a full respec because they are simply reducing the skill multiplier of a skill. By your logic they should just give everyone the skill points back for those skills, but CCP understands that it affects everything else you do and are thus offering the optional full respec.

And keep in mind, I am suggesting that ideally this would only happen one time by adding the 5 suits (Caldari Light Basic, Amarr Light Basic, Caldari Heavy Basic, Gallente Heavy Basic, and Minmatar Heavy Basic) in one big update. Anything else they add like pilot specialization or speeder bikes or whatever would not qualify for a respec.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 17:57:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583942 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Lance 2ballzStrong]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=821157#post821157 ZiwZih wrote:
I remember the story, but not sure where it was. IRC and with CCP Nothin probably, where it was mentioned that as the racial Heavy suits are not coming soon-soon, they would like to see if people want Type-II or other variants of Amarr.

But then, whole post-Uprising has happened to them, I think they forgot to communicate this issue.


that was mentioned in a thread I had. Don't think anyone wanted it.

People don't want another Amarr variation; heavies seen the bloody same Amarr suit for over a year now. Adding back OLD suits to a new build...yea THAT'S what people would want CCP Roll

People didn't hate the new Amarr suit, they hated the fact that we didn't get a choice in the matter.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 17:51:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583941 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by ZiwZih]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=821079#post821079
But then, whole post-Uprising has happened to them, I think they forgot to communicate this issue.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 17:37:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583858 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Lance 2ballzStrong]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820924#post820924 Sloth9230 wrote:
Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
If CCP follows EVE as their example of doing things, I won't expect a respec everytime a new suit comes out. Tbh, I'm not sure if I want it either.

This game is about investing your SP wisely, and living with your decision. CCP gave us one respec already, and will give us another as soon as the skill tree is redone.

Do I think it's cool that they didn't have any other heavy suit for release? No, it sucks!. I wanted to have a choice. They gave us the Amarr frame, and the same ol HMG...well a nerfed version of the HMG. Chances are the other suits coming 4-6 months from now, as the dev said they're not coming "soon enough".

4-6 months is enough time to save up SP to get the race you want. In the mean time, explore other classes, and weapons. Personally, I'm also running Amarr Medium, and saving SP to go into Scrambler Rifles.

Yeah it sucks we didn't get races to choose from, but should we expect a respec everytime something new comes out? No.

Of course you're right, but this isn't just any random "new content", these should have been the bare minimum as far as "release' content goes. Or is asking that all classes have an equal amount of choice too much CCP?


I understand fully well where you're coming from. I had this convo with my corpmates a few times... more of a monologue or soliloquy Lol

At the end I said whatever. They're giving me time to get SP for when the new suits come out. I'll have 2 heavy suits if I choose to go a different race. Is that such a bad thing though? Having 2 suits means your role just got broader in terms of gameplay style.

CCP should have given heavies more races to pick from, but they didn't, so I'm just gonna save SP for when they do. No big deal imo.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 17:03:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583739 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Iron Wolf Saber]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820894#post820894 Delirium Inferno wrote:
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
There is no ETA other than its in the pipeline.

As for what CCP does with SP involed it will be up to them.

I would personally like to see the specific skills (amarr heavy and amarr sentinel suits) allowing you to change your race if you need to.

That doesn't work because some people who want to be say Gallente Heavy don't have the option now so are doing perhaps one of the medium suits in the meantime. And then they get all the skills focused around that medium suit (weapons and mods and stuff). When the other heavy suits (and light suits) come in there needs to be another optional full respec. Hopefully they can get all the remaining suit frames out in one big push so we're not constantly doing this respec thing.


Like I said earlier I don't expect a full respec ever unless there is significant changes to the tree such as redoing all of its bonuses, or layout even to the point you cannot be doing what you where doing previously before.

In this scenario chances are they would probably just refund the heavy only skill since other races don't exist yet.

Had it been all racial suits where available but skill was unified to be split then ccp would likely give automatic levels in the skills that got split.

Just because they add pilot suits, doesnt mean you will get a respec, just because they added commando suits doesnt mean you get a respec. just because they added MAVs and their SCV cousins doens't mean you get a respec. Just because you got a rail rifle doenst mean you got a respec.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:56:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583709 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Sloth9230]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820868#post820868 Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:
If CCP follows EVE as their example of doing things, I won't expect a respec everytime a new suit comes out. Tbh, I'm not sure if I want it either.

This game is about investing your SP wisely, and living with your decision. CCP gave us one respec already, and will give us another as soon as the skill tree is redone.

Do I think it's cool that they didn't have any other heavy suit for release? No, it sucks!. I wanted to have a choice. They gave us the Amarr frame, and the same ol HMG...well a nerfed version of the HMG. Chances are the other suits coming 4-6 months from now, as the dev said they're not coming "soon enough".

4-6 months is enough time to save up SP to get the race you want. In the mean time, explore other classes, and weapons. Personally, I'm also running Amarr Medium, and saving SP to go into Scrambler Rifles.

Yeah it sucks we didn't get races to choose from, but should we expect a respec everytime something new comes out? No.

Of course you're right, but this isn't just any random "new content", these should have been the bare minimum as far as "release' content goes. Or is asking that all classes have an equal amount of choice too much CCP?]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:49:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583708 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Delirium Inferno]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820825#post820825 Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
There is no ETA other than its in the pipeline.

As for what CCP does with SP involed it will be up to them.

I would personally like to see the specific skills (amarr heavy and amarr sentinel suits) allowing you to change your race if you need to.

That doesn't work because some people who want to be say Gallente Heavy don't have the option now so are doing perhaps one of the medium suits in the meantime. And then they get all the skills focused around that medium suit (weapons and mods and stuff). When the other heavy suits (and light suits) come in there needs to be another optional full respec. Hopefully they can get all the remaining suit frames out in one big push so we're not constantly doing this respec thing.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:40:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583661 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by K9 Wez]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820809#post820809
Normally if gaming companies did that they would get slaughtered by game critics but for some reason ccp isn't, why is that? I am obviously not seeing what others seems to be seeing, what is reason for ccp not getting heat for this? But then again dust has very few players for a free access game. Hmm, could the reason be that the game is free so they dont seem to be taking dust seriously, that is ccp as well as game critics?]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:37:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583622 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Lance 2ballzStrong]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820765#post820765
This game is about investing your SP wisely, and living with your decision. CCP gave us one respec already, and will give us another as soon as the skill tree is redone.

Do I think it's cool that they didn't have any other heavy suit for release? No, it sucks!. I wanted to have a choice. They gave us the Amarr frame, and the same ol HMG...well a nerfed version of the HMG. Chances are the other suits coming 4-6 months from now, as the dev said they're not coming "soon enough".

4-6 months is enough time to save up SP to get the race you want. In the mean time, explore other classes, and weapons. Personally, I'm also running Amarr Medium, and saving SP to go into Scrambler Rifles.

Yeah it sucks we didn't get races to choose from, but should we expect a respec everytime something new comes out? No.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:28:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583599 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Sloth9230]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820744#post820744 Needless Sacermendor wrote:

As for DS 10s idea that someone wanted to play a particular racial heavy, without knowing it's bonuses or slot configuration, but as that suit wasn't available yet, so they train for a completely different role. Lol no ... if you want to play a heavy class, there's onethere ... use it till the others are released and change when they release the others, you shouldn't and most likely won't be able to respec from a differwnt role.

There's plenty of people who went assault or logi just because they didn't like the Amarr heavy.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:19:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583598 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Needless Sacermendor]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820736#post820736
The same should go for the scouts since (correct if I'm wrong) we only have 2 of the racial varients there.

As for DS 10s idea that someone wanted to play a particular racial heavy, without knowing it's bonuses or slot configuration, but as that suit wasn't available yet, so they train for a completely different role. Lol no ... if you want to play a heavy class, there's onethere ... use it till the others are released and change when they release the others, you shouldn't and most likely won't be able to respec from a differwnt role.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:17:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583584 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Iron Wolf Saber]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820727#post820727
As for what CCP does with SP involed it will be up to them.

I would personally like to see the specific skills (amarr heavy and amarr sentinel suits) allowing you to change your race if you need to.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:11:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583583 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Delirium Inferno]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820720#post820720 Fri, 17 May 2013 16:08:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583582 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by martinofski]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820700#post820700 Heavy Breaks wrote:
I would imagine speccing to lvl 5 of basic heavy suit will still be a prerequisite for the racial variants. So I'll be taking the reset and speccing pretty much up to that till my winmatar heavy comes along.
4 low and 1 high is rubbish anyway IMHO. I got yellabros!


Basic are Amarr basic

So if you skill Basic, you do choose Amarr.
Look at the medium suit skill tree, this is how it will look like.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:03:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583562 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Full Metal Kitten]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820696#post820696 Heavy Breaks wrote:
I would imagine speccing to lvl 5 of basic heavy suit will still be a prerequisite for the racial variants

There are no basic frame skills. They are all racial.
]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 16:00:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583561 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Heavy Breaks]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820381#post820381 4 low and 1 high is rubbish anyway IMHO. I got yellabros!]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 14:19:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583315 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by martinofski]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820288#post820288
Not taking any chances. I still do okay with the militia BPO equiped with cheap modules and a MH82.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 13:44:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583231 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by DeeJay One]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820266#post820266 Next time we will get new suits for all races at once and it will be something new to skill into, not something else - so that means no respec from X Assault to say X Commando]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 13:34:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583212 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by martinofski]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820241#post820241
I do believe they will have some kind of respec for heavy suit user, so they can respec in the race they really wanted in the first place. Looking forward to use the Minmatar.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 13:23:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583200 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Second Cerberus]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=820197#post820197
As there are a lot of players in heavies, would someone on CPM be willing to 'poke' CCP for an answer? I'm not looking for exact dates/stats but trying to answer the question? I can run the "Basic" Amarr with two highs for now to shield tank, but dont want to miss the skill respec window if thats the only way to get the Amarr SP back.

Specifically:

When additional race specific Heavies are added, has there been discussion of permitting players with Level 5 Amarr Heavy to transfer those points to another race?

Thanks]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 12:58:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/583176 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Human Anamoly]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=818886#post818886 crazy space 1 wrote:
It WILL happen with every released suit, same with tanks/LAVs, and dropships. The game is is still in beta phase so they have to give out respec since all the races are still unreleased.

That said if they do it they will only give you back the sp of skills effected.


'Beta Phase', but not beta. Sounds like an excuse to release content late and whine when players want to spec into that content after using all their points.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 04:41:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/582080 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by crazy space 1]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=818828#post818828
That said if they do it they will only give you back the sp of skills effected.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 04:19:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/582043 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Sloth9230]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=818793#post818793 DS 10 wrote:
I don't know if this has been addressed, but I know all of us heavies are wondering how it is going to work. I think anytime there is a new dropsuit released, you should be able to transfer any SP you have in another suit to the new one, regardless of suit type.

For example:

Joe wants to be a Caldari Heavy but they don't exist yet. Instead of being an Amarr Heavy, he opts for Caldari Logi. In 4 months, Caldari Heavies are released. He still really wants to be a Caldari Heavy. He should be able to transfer SP from his Caldari Logi dropsuit skills to the Caldari Heavy suit skills.

I have no idea how that would work, or if it's even possible, but that would be optimal IMO.

I doubt it will happen every time they release a new suit, but it certainly has to happen for the other racial variants.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 04:08:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/581992 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by DS 10]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=818782#post818782
For example:

Joe wants to be a Caldari Heavy but they don't exist yet. Instead of being an Amarr Heavy, he opts for Caldari Logi. In 4 months, Caldari Heavies are released. He still really wants to be a Caldari Heavy. He should be able to transfer SP from his Caldari Logi dropsuit skills to the Caldari Heavy suit skills.

I have no idea how that would work, or if it's even possible, but that would be optimal IMO.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 04:05:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/581991 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by DropKickSuicide]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=818773#post818773 Fri, 17 May 2013 04:04:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/581990 <![CDATA[Question on Race Specific Heavy Dropsuits and SP already invested in Amarr suits - by Second Cerberus]]> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=818762#post818762
Also, to unlock even the "Basic" Amarr Heavy you need to invest 1.8 million skill points. When additional race specific Heavies are added, has there been discussion of permitting players with Level 5 Amarr Heavy to transfer those points to another race? I ask because I want to run Heavy, but if the current SP respec offer is the only way to get that 1.8 million back I may be forced to run a generic logi and sit on the unallocated points until the other Heavy suits are released.

Thanks for any info you can provide on these questions.]]> Fri, 17 May 2013 04:00:00 +0000 dustsearch/guid/581989