DUST Search - Why is dropship getting shafted?

Skihids wrote:

gbghg wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

I am just saying now isn't the time to keep making new threads though restirring the old pot over and over again, CPM is well aware the Dropships missed the pass and I am sure the developers involved with vehicles was also aware, they may bandaid fix it in the near future while the longer term balance changes will be made a bit later.

It doesn't do any good if everything gets band-aided now to a slower bleeding state when the more focused balanced changes can simply undo all of these quick patches. Trust me there is going to be changes and what is in store is simply not ready for reviewing yet because the picture is so incomplete. Once it is in a good enough state I trust CCP will be sharing their thoughts with you on advancing the entire balance 'table' forward.

On we know, blam gave us some hints a week or two ago, some really cool looking stuff coming, and I fully understand that CCP is still working out how these things will work and how they'll fit into the big picture, but until then dropships will continue to be the white elephant of dust. It's just that I and I'm sure many other pilots chose flying as our path in dust because it was a challenging, fun, and rarely trodden path, but the simple fact is flying makes me more angry than anything else, I'm actually given serious thought as to whether or not it's worth it for me to continue flying.

If the fact that one of the most well known pilots in dust is saying they're not worth it as present doesn't tell you something about the state of dropships, I don't know what else does.

Don't give up, just don't limit yourself to flying.

I'm sure you had a backup day job befrore, just like I had Logistics. Make that your main SP investment so you can still play and have fun while dropships are worked on. I think it's going to take a while too, because it's not just the mechanics or even the reward system that needs to be addressed, it's also the fundamental game that is going to have to change. It has to create true missions for the dropship where none exist now. At the moment the dropship is a solution in search of a problem.

The issue is the current game play requires only two roles, slayer and healer. There are no tactical challenges that would require a tool like the dropship to solve. CCP will require time to develop game modes that can truly make use of this wonderful tool.

We won't be playing mindless Ambush or Brownian motion Skirmish forever.

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SERPENT-Adamapple NEW AGE EMPIRE 31	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:25:00 - [1] - Quote Seems like everytime I get back on the forums after a recent hotfix, there is a new problem with the dropship? Worse flight controls then chromosome: check HP lowered while other vehicles got a buff: check Missle turrets are now hitting dropship as well as wonky assault turret: check Still enable to get decent amount of WP as a pilot: check Free meta lvl 1 Forge gun kill: check I really want to fully spec into dropships but am afraid I'm just going to waist skill points and a tremendous amount of isk. I want to support my team in the air but not if I'm going to be a flying plate for everyone to see and say " oh look an easy kill, let me get my lvl.1 AV weapon out after I die. Proto AV should take out militia dropships in 2 hits, not the other way around.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4117	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:26:00 - [2] - Quote Milita are meta 0, Militia forge guns are not free, there is no BPO of them. Price reduction should have gone in. If not report the bug.
SERPENT-Adamapple NEW AGE EMPIRE 31	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:27:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Milita are meta 0, Militia forge guns are not free, there is no BPO of them. Price reduction should have gone in recently. My Mistake.............Practically free.
Isaa Quade ZionTCD Unclaimed. 125	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:28:00 - [4] - Quote Because it's an afterthought. The gun game right now is entirely broken and CCP is trying to fix that first as it is the meat and potatoes of Dust's gameplay experience. So basically, don't hold your breath
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4118	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:29:00 - [5] - Quote SERPENT-Adamapple wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Milita are meta 0, Militia forge guns are not free, there is no BPO of them. Price reduction should have gone in recently. My Mistake.............Practically free. Does it make you angry I use Free fit suits to kill proto-suits all the time?
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 303	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:30:00 - [6] - Quote Oh look, another dropship thread. This should be new and interesting.
SERPENT-Adamapple NEW AGE EMPIRE 31	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:31:00 - [7] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: Because it's an afterthought. The gun game right now is entirely broken and CCP is trying to fix that first as it is the meat and potatoes of Dust's gameplay experience. So basically, don't hold your breath Is the HAV going 20-1 and getting its turrets fixed an afterthought too? How about the Murder Taxi?
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 654	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:36:00 - [8] - Quote Dropship handling has definitely changed, but give it a few weeks and Skihids will come out with a new, sexy guide and everyone else will have gotten used to the controls too. Worse? Or different? We are nothing if not human; change spooks the kitten out of us. Give it some time to settle in. My first flight in Uprising, I wanted to throw down the controller and jump straight on the forums to explain in elaborate detail the failings of the new dropship handling system. Now? I'm loving it. Combined with the high flight ceiling I can perform maneuvers previously impossible. Just the camera seems really unsettling. The handling itself is fine. Furthermore, if you fly just under the flight ceiling, you can perform infantry deployments with relative safety. Haven't tried this as much, however. Might not always work in every game.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1662	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:43:00 - [9] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Dropship handling has definitely changed, but give it a few weeks and Skihids will come out with a new, sexy guide and everyone else will have gotten used to the controls too. Worse? Or different? We are nothing if not human; change spooks the kitten out of us. Give it some time to settle in. My first flight in Uprising, I wanted to throw down the controller and jump straight on the forums to explain in elaborate detail the failings of the new dropship handling system. Now? I'm loving it. Combined with the high flight ceiling I can perform maneuvers previously impossible. Just the camera seems really unsettling. The handling itself is fine. Furthermore, if you fly just under the flight ceiling, you can perform infantry deployments with relative safety. Haven't tried this as much, however. Might not always work in every game. Skihids is planning to speck out as soon as we get the respec, dust fiend is too.
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1325	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:43:00 - [10] - Quote SERPENT-Adamapple wrote: Seems like everytime I get back on the forums after a recent hotfix, there is a new problem with the dropship? Worse flight controls then chromosome: check HP lowered while other vehicles got a buff: check Missle turrets are now hitting dropship as well as wonky assault turret: check Still enable to get decent amount of WP as a pilot: check Free meta lvl 1 Forge gun kill: check I really want to fully spec into dropships but am afraid I'm just going to waist skill points and a tremendous amount of isk. I want to support my team in the air but not if I'm going to be a flying plate for everyone to see and say " oh look an easy kill, let me get my lvl.1 AV weapon out after I die. Proto AV should take out militia dropships in 2 hits, not the other way around. Don't. I say this as one of the biggest advocates for pilots. The dropship is a tool in Uprising, it's not a career. It's as if a carpenter were to decide he was going to make the hammer his career. There just isn't enough you can do to support your team to use it full time, and you need to use other tools too. The only team supporting role at present is acting as transport for the initial objective rush. After that you need to be a slayer (Assault) or medic(Logi). Those are the only two viable roles at present, so don't gimp them by putting too many points into flying. You can get away with a Militia ship, an AB, and perhaps a MCRU for special occasions. None of the other DS missions are viable at present. Remote reps, gunship, recon, are all months from being viable and even further away from being more important than Assault or Logi. Use the cheap ships when you need them, then put them or throw them away and continue killing or healing. A few months to a year and we may see a change where it makes sense to skill more deeply into dropships once again. In the meantime don't frustrate yourself by making it the only thing you can do or you will be like a carpenter who can only hammer.

SERPENT-Adamapple NEW AGE EMPIRE 31	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:45:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: SERPENT-Adamapple wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Milita are meta 0, Militia forge guns are not free, there is no BPO of them. Price reduction should have gone in recently. My Mistake.............Practically free. Does it make you angry I use Free fit suits to kill proto-suits all the time? No because I have done it too, and not everyone can fly. And please don't mistake confused logic with being angry. Getting angry at something that can eventually be fixed is for 12 year olds. Just stating my opinions and concerns. Try seeing it from my point of view instead of trying to make a mockery out of me. Your supposed to support my critic. I have not bashed CCP about this. Just wanting to know if dropship will get the same love that Assault rifle / HAV users are getting.
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1326	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:54:00 - [12] - Quote I'm not giving up, don't get me wrong. I'm just adapting to the current reality in the New Eden way. I am still rewriting my dropship guide for Uprising and I will still use dropships where and when they are useful. I am just not going to try to make them do things they are not capable of at this time. You wouldn't use a hammer to cut boards or drive screws, and you shouldn't use the current dropship to remote repair HAVs or play gunship. It would work out just about as well. I will also continue to advocate for all the changes we need. But given the timeframe involved I'm going to earn my SP and ISK as a Logi. I'll save my SP for dropships once I get that fitting polished, and I think I'll be ready to reskill into flying by the time the necessary changes are in place.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4118	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:56:00 - [13] - Quote I am just saying now isn't the time to keep making new threads though restirring the old pot over and over again, CPM is well aware the Dropships missed the pass and I am sure the developers involved with vehicles was also aware, they may bandaid fix it in the near future while the longer term balance changes will be made a bit later. It doesn't do any good if everything gets band-aided now to a slower bleeding state when the more focused balanced changes can simply undo all of these quick patches. Trust me there is going to be changes and what is in store is simply not ready for reviewing yet because the picture is so incomplete. Once it is in a good enough state I trust CCP will be sharing their thoughts with you on advancing the entire balance 'table' forward. I know you guys are getting tired of hearing it but have some patience. Stats are one thing, redoing the entire war point system over is another separate thing, market is almost its own little thing itself. There are quite a few people involved when it comes to matter of where the items should be and how they belong on the battlefield and the entire dynamics involving them.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1663	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:02:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just saying now isn't the time to keep making new threads though restirring the old pot over and over again, CPM is well aware the Dropships missed the pass and I am sure the developers involved with vehicles was also aware, they may bandaid fix it in the near future while the longer term balance changes will be made a bit later. It doesn't do any good if everything gets band-aided now to a slower bleeding state when the more focused balanced changes can simply undo all of these quick patches. Trust me there is going to be changes and what is in store is simply not ready for reviewing yet because the picture is so incomplete. Once it is in a good enough state I trust CCP will be sharing their thoughts with you on advancing the entire balance 'table' forward. On we know, blam gave us some hints a week or two ago, some really cool looking stuff coming, and I fully understand that CCP is still working out how these things will work and how they'll fit into the big picture, but until then dropships will continue to be the white elephant of dust. It's just that I and I'm sure many other pilots chose flying as our path in dust because it was a challenging, fun, and rarely trodden path, but the simple fact is flying makes me more angry than anything else, I'm actually given serious thought as to whether or not it's worth it for me to continue flying. If the fact that one of the most well known pilots in dust is saying they're not worth it as present doesn't tell you something about the state of dropships, I don't know what else does.
SERPENT-Adamapple NEW AGE EMPIRE 31	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:27:00 - [15] - Quote gbghg wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just saying now isn't the time to keep making new threads though restirring the old pot over and over again, CPM is well aware the Dropships missed the pass and I am sure the developers involved with vehicles was also aware, they may bandaid fix it in the near future while the longer term balance changes will be made a bit later. It doesn't do any good if everything gets band-aided now to a slower bleeding state when the more focused balanced changes can simply undo all of these quick patches. Trust me there is going to be changes and what is in store is simply not ready for reviewing yet because the picture is so incomplete. Once it is in a good enough state I trust CCP will be sharing their thoughts with you on advancing the entire balance 'table' forward. On we know, blam gave us some hints a week or two ago, some really cool looking stuff coming, and I fully understand that CCP is still working out how these things will work and how they'll fit into the big picture, but until then dropships will continue to be the white elephant of dust. It's just that I and I'm sure many other pilots chose flying as our path in dust because it was a challenging, fun, and rarely trodden path, but the simple fact is flying makes me more angry than anything else, I'm actually given serious thought as to whether or not it's worth it for me to continue flying. If the fact that one of the most well known pilots in dust is saying they're not worth it as present doesn't tell you something about the state of dropships, I don't know what else does. Well then, patience it will be. Anywhoo, I'm in it for the long haul. First unreal championship, then halo, then steel battalion, tried COD(too noob friendly whereas everyone's skilled), loved battlefield for its true skill in ranged combat and vehicle use, and now dust has my competitive MP fix. I'm not going anywhere except maybe playing a little defiance for my pve/cross show fix. Another game that set the bar on new ways of experiencing games. CCP and Trion has really brought gaming to another level. Best Developers of 2013 IMO. Can't wait for the eve sitcom either, the lore intrigues me and CCP may have gotten what they have had with PC for ten years, a console fanbase. I know this game turned me into a New Eden fanboi...
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1327	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:32:00 - [16] - Quote gbghg wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just saying now isn't the time to keep making new threads though restirring the old pot over and over again, CPM is well aware the Dropships missed the pass and I am sure the developers involved with vehicles was also aware, they may bandaid fix it in the near future while the longer term balance changes will be made a bit later. It doesn't do any good if everything gets band-aided now to a slower bleeding state when the more focused balanced changes can simply undo all of these quick patches. Trust me there is going to be changes and what is in store is simply not ready for reviewing yet because the picture is so incomplete. Once it is in a good enough state I trust CCP will be sharing their thoughts with you on advancing the entire balance 'table' forward. On we know, blam gave us some hints a week or two ago, some really cool looking stuff coming, and I fully understand that CCP is still working out how these things will work and how they'll fit into the big picture, but until then dropships will continue to be the white elephant of dust. It's just that I and I'm sure many other pilots chose flying as our path in dust because it was a challenging, fun, and rarely trodden path, but the simple fact is flying makes me more angry than anything else, I'm actually given serious thought as to whether or not it's worth it for me to continue flying. If the fact that one of the most well known pilots in dust is saying they're not worth it as present doesn't tell you something about the state of dropships, I don't know what else does. Don't give up, just don't limit yourself to flying. I'm sure you had a backup day job befrore, just like I had Logistics. Make that your main SP investment so you can still play and have fun while dropships are worked on. I think it's going to take a while too, because it's not just the mechanics or even the reward system that needs to be addressed, it's also the fundamental game that is going to have to change. It has to create true missions for the dropship where none exist now. At the moment the dropship is a solution in search of a problem. The issue is the current game play requires only two roles, slayer and healer. There are no tactical challenges that would require a tool like the dropship to solve. CCP will require time to develop game modes that can truly make use of this wonderful tool. We won't be playing mindless Ambush or Brownian motion Skirmish forever.
ALM1GHTY B44L R00 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 69	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:55:00 - [17] - Quote You forgot that the invert view option is broken too.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 456	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:59:00 - [18] - Quote Because... no one really cares about you guys. Just saying, it's like specing into speeders. There are no speeders yet? Exactly. I'm sure you'll get fixed by the time the other variants come out though... That Amarr ship looks sexy
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1667	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:03:00 - [19] - Quote Skihids wrote: gbghg wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just saying now isn't the time to keep making new threads though restirring the old pot over and over again, CPM is well aware the Dropships missed the pass and I am sure the developers involved with vehicles was also aware, they may bandaid fix it in the near future while the longer term balance changes will be made a bit later. It doesn't do any good if everything gets band-aided now to a slower bleeding state when the more focused balanced changes can simply undo all of these quick patches. Trust me there is going to be changes and what is in store is simply not ready for reviewing yet because the picture is so incomplete. Once it is in a good enough state I trust CCP will be sharing their thoughts with you on advancing the entire balance 'table' forward. On we know, blam gave us some hints a week or two ago, some really cool looking stuff coming, and I fully understand that CCP is still working out how these things will work and how they'll fit into the big picture, but until then dropships will continue to be the white elephant of dust. It's just that I and I'm sure many other pilots chose flying as our path in dust because it was a challenging, fun, and rarely trodden path, but the simple fact is flying makes me more angry than anything else, I'm actually given serious thought as to whether or not it's worth it for me to continue flying. If the fact that one of the most well known pilots in dust is saying they're not worth it as present doesn't tell you something about the state of dropships, I don't know what else does. Don't give up, just don't limit yourself to flying. I'm sure you had a backup day job befrore, just like I had Logistics. Make that your main SP investment so you can still play and have fun while dropships are worked on. I think it's going to take a while too, because it's not just the mechanics or even the reward system that needs to be addressed, it's also the fundamental game that is going to have to change. It has to create true missions for the dropship where none exist now. At the moment the dropship is a solution in search of a problem. The issue is the current game play requires only two roles, slayer and healer. There are no tactical challenges that would require a tool like the dropship to solve. CCP will require time to develop game modes that can truly make use of this wonderful tool. We won't be playing mindless Ambush or Brownian motion Skirmish forever. ****, I'm actually seriously considering this.


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