Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off.

the TAR disagrees with you

the tar disagrees with everyone.

I haven't used the TAR yet, but doesn't it still have a lot of recoil making it not so great up close? Scrambler Rifle has no recoil at all because it is a laser.

If it's OP then pick up a militia one and tell me its still too powerful. CCP doesn't favor the AR. The FPS crowd in general does. Learn the difference.

I literally have no points in infantry skills, and only have militia BPOs for ground gear. Slap on an exile though and I still hit top 4 for kills in most matches

ARs just represent a much easier form of combat. It promotes camping and kill stealing, and is just very simple overall so long as you remain aware of your cover.

I've fought against ARs being stupidly good for a year now, constantly gravitating towards more difficult platforms, but I'm done: AR Heavy for me with my respec

With the AR being the most balanced weapon in the game its weaknesses are not as visible as the others....

AR vs Heavy/shotgun/smg they just out range you..
AR vs Laser they get close....
AR vs SR pretty even but SR overheats (and does more damage)

Most of the specialized guns do large amounts of damage to either shields or armor...AR does equal damage to both. I use AR and yes the TAC is OP no doubt. I don't think its OP it just can be used in all situations....the other guns are used best in certain situations....if your a heavy and your getting beat by a AR user while trying to engage at 40+m you will loose....if your a laser user getting beat by a AR user at 10m that is not knowing your weapon not a OP gun.

Assault rifles are the meat and potatoes of ground troops. Learn to love them.

Like I said above. Great. If they are indeed so amazing, USE IT!!! AR's were at one point the kings pre-chromosome. I've been playing with them through nerf after nerf after buff. I only hope that you don't regret your decision after respec, when CCP sees your thread and decides to nerf them yet again.

Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off.

With the AR being the most balanced weapon in the game its weaknesses are not as visible as the others....

AR vs Heavy/shotgun/smg they just out range you..
AR vs Laser they get close....
AR vs SR pretty even but SR overheats (and does more damage)

Most of the specialized guns do large amounts of damage to either shields or armor...AR does equal damage to both. I use AR and yes the TAC is OP no doubt. I don't think its OP it just can be used in all situations....the other guns are used best in certain situations....if your a heavy and your getting beat by a AR user while trying to engage at 40+m you will loose....if your a laser user getting beat by a AR user at 10m that is not knowing your weapon not a OP gun.

Like I said above. Great. If they are indeed so amazing, USE IT!!! AR's were at one point the kings pre-chromosome. I've been playing with them through nerf after nerf after buff. I only hope that you don't regret your decision after respec, when CCP sees your thread and decides to nerf them yet again.

the AR is working as intended.

Your flaw is located between your chair and your controller.

Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off.

the problem is that it's a jack of all trades and master of them all.

TAC AR can, and usually will be the superior gun in every encounter. I actually want the AR's to be a jack of all trades gun.

the problem is that it's a jack of all trades and master of them all.

TAC AR can, and usually will be the superior gun in every encounter. I actually want the AR's to be a jack of all trades gun.

Oh? So tell me, which one wins at long range? AR or sniper rifle? The sniper rifle is specialised for sniping, so while you can indeed snipe with an AR, the more specialised weapon will win.

Which one wins at CQC? Rifle or shotgun? Rifle can be used for CQC, but the more specialised weapon will get the job done more effectively.

Suppressive fire? AR can be used, but it's mag is gonna run dry before a HMG does.

I haven't used the tactical yet, but I've been killed by it. It seems to be something of a battle rifle and designated marksman's rifle hybrid. Judging by how effectively it kills me at range, it is working as intended. Judging by how ineffectively it has been deployed against me at closer ranges, it is working as intended. I may be mistaken on the tactical though, as my experience with it is limited to defending myself against it.

But the AR is master of no special role that another weapon cannot perform better, albeit without its own drawbacks.

So you are assuming a lot of stuff and did not actually try the weapon itself, right?
So you don't know how the weapon feels and works in game from your own experiences.

For sure snipers kill Tacs.
But from my experience ingame it's like that:

You have BIG chances against all of the following weapons:
Shotgun, SMG, AR, LR, SMG, MD, HMG, SR

With a quick trigger finger and a decent aiming you will own everything from cqc, to mid. Long range right now is pretty much reserved to snipers.

You have 78 dmg with every shot, and can shoot as fast as you can push the button.
On top of this you have a range which is even longer than the LR and only gets pwned by the sniper.

This are facts, and experiences I could make with the Tac, now tell me again how this weapon works.

Read my words, please. The title of this thread is "Assault Rifles", not "Tactical Assault Rifles". I'm addressing primarily assault rifles, just the regular kind as the thread title suggests, and made it quite clear that my experience with the tactical is limited.

From the militia to the Devoutes, i mean they are really powerful, and are given lots of people bad scores for the most part. Could you down the power of assualt rifles a little bit?

my only real qualm anymore is with the tactical AR. it's almost like playing one of those COD games, i'm getting dropped so fast. lol.

A counter to the TAC AR team is a LAV. You will start to freak out any non-AV carrying TAC/AR team if you come barreling toward them (+1 for you). They will need to find cover or gamble and try and snipe you (probably +1 for you). If they do have AV that means they don't have close range grenades (+1 for you). While they try and dodge your LAV the rest of your team can work on them with their shorter range gear.

This weapon is actually decently balanced. Other than the fact that the 10% blanket weapon dmg increase could be removed there is nothing that need to be changed on this weapon.

The issue is with the laser being nerfed to the ground. Its max range is less than that of the tact. The laser should have the same range as the tact and its optimal range should be from 60-93 (or whatever the tacts max range is). This is the thing that needs to be changed not that the tact is OP...it seems like it is because there is no weapon that can effectively compete against it because other weapons were nerfed too hard. Bring laser inline with where it should be and the tact will no longer dominate. In reality the reg AR absolutely destroys the tact AR in CQC (assuming both players are of equal skill).

A counter to the TAC AR team is a LAV. You will start to freak out any non-AV carrying TAC/AR team if you come barreling toward them (+1 for you). They will need to find cover or gamble and try and snipe you (probably +1 for you). If they do have AV that means they don't have close range grenades (+1 for you). While they try and dodge your LAV the rest of your team can work on them with their shorter range gear.

Nope, the problem is the insane DPS. Look we get it, you like stomping and use the TAC.

If you try shooting the tact at the 768 (or whatever) RPM you will be looking at the sky after the 3rd round. The tact is balanced (as I said could probably remove the 10% blanket increase all weapons rcv'd) if you try to spam it without jamming the gun into someones back you will lose every time (unless the other player is just bad). The biggest issue is that lasers can no longer compete against it when lasers should have the advantage at that range. If this is fixed then you will suddenly see that the tact will have an effective counter.

You just have to remember there is a difference between a weapon being balanced and a weapon having an effective counter. The TAC is balanced with no effective counter after the laser was nerfed to the ground. Call for lasers to get the same range as the tact and you will find (some) tact users complaining that the laser is pwning them.

well one issue is that the laser was nerfed to the ground. Right now it needs its range to be increase to be the same as the TAC AR and the optimal should be from 60M to that new range max instead of from 60M-80M.

Dude, TEN bullets can give 1000 hp damage with skills and damage mods. The answer is not to make another weapon OP to balance it. That is not balance, its stupid.

NO RANGE INCREASES FOR ANYONE! I think everything should have their range decreased so you guys have to get with whoever you shoot at. Then its HMG ftw baby! :D

But something needs to be done about the TAR range, whether it is brought down or other things are brought up. I much prefer the range be lowered a bit because if yoy start raising the range on everything then we will start migrating to the gameplay we had iits the end of chromosonewhere engagemebt ranges were ridiculous because everyone had sharpshooter 10.

I have been here since last August. I am not a noob, I am making a valid point about your favorite OP weapon and you dont like it. That is why you are resorting to name calling, you have nothing else.

Tact is balanced because it cannot put out the DPS that the RPM says it can simply because the recoil is much greater on it. Unless you are so close that the dispersion/recoil makes no difference then spamming 10 rounds at someone will have you miss the majority of those rounds.

The only reason people are complaining about the TAR is because it has become more prevalent because it has a better range

In reality the reg AR absolutely destroys the tact AR in CQC (assuming both players are of equal skill).

wrong, it was supposed to have more range but the truth is that it has better range, better accuracy, better ADS and better DPS.

the TAR is better at LR range than LR when LR is supposed to be everything at its supposed range.

Ok you are half right and half wrong here you are going crazy with your statements now..

"NO RANGE INCREASES FOR ANYONE! I think everything should have their range decreased so you guys have to get with whoever you shoot at"

dude, what do you want both teams to fight it out in an elevator?

jesus.

that right there is some codboi stuff.

Peace
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Actually an elevator may be too big of an area.

"NO RANGE INCREASES FOR ANYONE! I think everything should have their range decreased so you guys have to get with whoever you shoot at"

dude, what do you want both teams to fight it out in an elevator?

jesus.

that right there is some codboi stuff.

Peace
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