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Mortal Maximus
THE CELESTIAL BEINGS
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:51:00 -
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From the militia to the Devoutes, i mean they are really powerful, and are given lots of people bad scores for the most part. Could you down the power of assualt rifles a little bit? |
General John Ripper
187.
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:52:00 -
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yea lets make nova knives the new GOTO weapon of choice! |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:54:00 -
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Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
296
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:06:00 -
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Mortal - Wrong forum. No details. No chance. Keep playing, keep learning. It will get better for you. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
622
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:08:00 -
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my only real qualm anymore is with the tactical AR. it's almost like playing one of those COD games, i'm getting dropped so fast. lol. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
218
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:09:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off.
the TAR disagrees with you  |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:10:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off. the TAR disagrees with you
the tar disagrees with everyone. |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
271
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:12:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off. the TAR disagrees with you the tar disagrees with everyone.
I haven't used the TAR yet, but doesn't it still have a lot of recoil making it not so great up close? Scrambler Rifle has no recoil at all because it is a laser. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:14:00 -
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CCP will never make AR's less than the most powerful. If anything, they'll make them more powerful. CCP just loves the AR and will make sure no other weapon can compete against it. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
218
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:14:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:calisk galern wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off. the TAR disagrees with you the tar disagrees with everyone. I haven't used the TAR yet, but doesn't it still have a lot of recoil making it not so great up close? Scrambler Rifle has no recoil at all because it is a laser.
recoil? hipfire is deadly accurate  |
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stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
Gentlemen's Agreement
70
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:28:00 -
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You all are confusing "most used weapon" with "overpowered weapon". You think the AR is too powerful just because it's a vanilla 'go-to' choice for the majority of Dust players. How can you even tell if the AR is OP by itself anyways. You have no idea how heavily specced into AR the people dropping you are.
If it's OP then pick up a militia one and tell me its still too powerful. CCP doesn't favor the AR. The FPS crowd in general does. Learn the difference. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3056
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:30:00 -
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stormtroopin wrote:If it's OP then pick up a militia one and tell me its still too powerful. CCP doesn't favor the AR. The FPS crowd in general does. Learn the difference.
I literally have no points in infantry skills, and only have militia BPOs for ground gear. Slap on an exile though and I still hit top 4 for kills in most matches
ARs just represent a much easier form of combat. It promotes camping and kill stealing, and is just very simple overall so long as you remain aware of your cover.
I've fought against ARs being stupidly good for a year now, constantly gravitating towards more difficult platforms, but I'm done: AR Heavy for me with my respec  |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:35:00 -
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well one issue is that the laser was nerfed to the ground. Right now it needs its range to be increase to be the same as the TAC AR and the optimal should be from 60M to that new range max instead of from 60M-80M. |
xxMemphis
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
23
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:39:00 -
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With the AR being the most balanced weapon in the game its weaknesses are not as visible as the others....
AR vs Heavy/shotgun/smg they just out range you..
AR vs Laser they get close....
AR vs SR pretty even but SR overheats (and does more damage)
Most of the specialized guns do large amounts of damage to either shields or armor...AR does equal damage to both. I use AR and yes the TAC is OP no doubt. I don't think its OP it just can be used in all situations....the other guns are used best in certain situations....if your a heavy and your getting beat by a AR user while trying to engage at 40+m you will loose....if your a laser user getting beat by a AR user at 10m that is not knowing your weapon not a OP gun. |
stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
Gentlemen's Agreement
70
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:stormtroopin wrote:If it's OP then pick up a militia one and tell me its still too powerful. CCP doesn't favor the AR. The FPS crowd in general does. Learn the difference. I literally have no points in infantry skills, and only have militia BPOs for ground gear. Slap on an exile though and I still hit top 4 for kills in most matches
1. Great. You must be extremely gifted with the AR because this NEVER happens. The exile is pretty crap now, and most people only get anywhere with the proto AR's.
2. If you do so well with it, what are you complaining about? If you can't beat em, join em.
DUST Fiend wrote:ARs just represent a much easier form of combat. It promotes camping and kill stealing, and is just very simple overall so long as you remain aware of your cover.
This is completely your opinion. The same could be said of sniping, tanking, and forge gunners./quote]
DUST Fiend wrote:I've fought against ARs being stupidly good for a year now, constantly gravitating towards more difficult platforms, but I'm done: AR Heavy for me with my respec
Like I said above. Great. If they are indeed so amazing, USE IT!!! AR's were at one point the kings pre-chromosome. I've been playing with them through nerf after nerf after buff. I only hope that you don't regret your decision after respec, when CCP sees your thread and decides to nerf them yet again. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
452
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:42:00 -
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There is no alternative to the Assault Rifles available ingame. But we still have the Caldari AR and the Minmatar AR to see yet, which should be released at some point, I want to say in the near future, but its ccp and the near future could mean next year.
Assault rifles are the meat and potatoes of ground troops. Learn to love them.
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stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
Gentlemen's Agreement
70
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:44:00 -
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xxMemphis wrote:With the AR being the most balanced weapon in the game its weaknesses are not as visible as the others....
AR vs Heavy/shotgun/smg they just out range you..
AR vs Laser they get close....
AR vs SR pretty even but SR overheats (and does more damage)
Most of the specialized guns do large amounts of damage to either shields or armor...AR does equal damage to both. I use AR and yes the TAC is OP no doubt. I don't think its OP it just can be used in all situations....the other guns are used best in certain situations....if your a heavy and your getting beat by a AR user while trying to engage at 40+m you will loose....if your a laser user getting beat by a AR user at 10m that is not knowing your weapon not a OP gun.
Exactly. And let's not forget that the AR also has no way of increasing the range. They seem OP right now because everyone is using the TacAR that has ridiculous range and damage, with minimal hip fire kick back. |
stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
Gentlemen's Agreement
70
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:44:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Assault rifles are the meat and potatoes of ground troops. Learn to love them.
+1 |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3056
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:46:00 -
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stormtroopin wrote:Like I said above. Great. If they are indeed so amazing, USE IT!!! AR's were at one point the kings pre-chromosome. I've been playing with them through nerf after nerf after buff. I only hope that you don't regret your decision after respec, when CCP sees your thread and decides to nerf them yet again.
I'm a former dedicated dropship pilot, aka, a CCP masochist: SWING DA HAMMA!!! |
Llan Heindell
One-Armed Bandits
Heretic Initiative
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:46:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off.
Why don't the Tac AR overheats then? It should be a fair trade off.
Terrible excuse.
Llan Heindell. |
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
220
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:47:00 -
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xxMemphis wrote:With the AR being the most balanced weapon in the game its weaknesses are not as visible as the others....
AR vs Heavy/shotgun/smg they just out range you..
AR vs Laser they get close....
AR vs SR pretty even but SR overheats (and does more damage)
Most of the specialized guns do large amounts of damage to either shields or armor...AR does equal damage to both. I use AR and yes the TAC is OP no doubt. I don't think its OP it just can be used in all situations....the other guns are used best in certain situations....if your a heavy and your getting beat by a AR user while trying to engage at 40+m you will loose....if your a laser user getting beat by a AR user at 10m that is not knowing your weapon not a OP gun.
and if you try to fight a TAR, TAR always wins |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3056
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:47:00 -
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stormtroopin wrote:Like I said above. Great. If they are indeed so amazing, USE IT!!! AR's were at one point the kings pre-chromosome. I've been playing with them through nerf after nerf after buff. I only hope that you don't regret your decision after respec, when CCP sees your thread and decides to nerf them yet again.
I've been a dropship pilot for a year, aka, a CCP masochist: SWING DA HAMMA!! |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
5
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:54:00 -
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*sigh*
I usually don't comment on 'nerf' threads, unless it's been cleverly ninja'd because I like cleverness, it invites trolling and the like, but I'm going to make an exception for this one because it's a very special 'nerf' thread. It's asking for a nerf to the most baseline infantry weapon, basically, making it the first one everyone should learn to use before skilling into something more specialised. It's your first pistol, your first sniper rifle, your first tactical rifle, your first shotgun, because it can fill the role of all those weapons if you learn how to use it right, just not as specialised as all those weapons. Of course, it's not an anti-armour weapon, but that's another class entirely, so it's beside the point.
The AR is, essentially, a jack-of-all-trades, master of none. It's primary purpose on a battlefield is "assault", hence the name, and it needs to be effective as an assault weapons, that is, a weapon that is meant for charging and killing the enemy. When used correctly, in short well-aimed bursts, it is designed to kill quickly. That's the case for any assault rifle in any game and even in real life (except maybe a few of those old British L1s that had magazine "issues" that we won't go into). If you're in the crosshairs of one, you should be expecting to die at the same time as trying not to, or trying to kill your opponent first.
But, I've seen this thread before, and the reason why I never comment on these is because it is always the same thing. Just another someone complaining about a weapon they get killed by a lot. All that means is, the AR is working as intended. It is killing. |
raineater
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
1
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:58:00 -
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lol add little swap to tacs lol when scoped not as much as snipers but touch as far i see it tacs are easy snipers now lol |
stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
Gentlemen's Agreement
70
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:59:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:the AR is working as intended.
It all boils down to this. Everyone agrees that the AR is the most balanced weapon (yes of course except the T.AR) so why mess with it. Nerf the nerf threads pls.. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
226
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:02:00 -
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it's not the car...
it's the driver
we use militia guns
they take away the range of the weapons...
and you still get beat by em.
and you blame the guns.
your flaw is located between your chair and your controller.
the devs cannot fix this flaw in your gaming.
Peace
B |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3057
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:17:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:
Your flaw is located between your chair and your controller.
CURSE YOU USB PORT!!! |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
445
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:26:00 -
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I personally cant wait for the minmatar AR.....I just want those beastly looking weapons. If looks could kill this gun would just scream pwnage. |
Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
50
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:28:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Scrambler Rifles do twice the damage and can fire just as fast if you have a good trigger finger. Of course they overheat, but it's a fair trade off.
You are talking about this semi-auto scrambler which indeed makes nearly double the dmg than the regular assault rifles. But what you forget about is the Tac Ar which just does 1(!) HP less dmg, but has the advantage that it will never overheat.
I don't have in mind how much rounds the Tac has per mag, but I think it's somewhere around 20 I think.
So the Tac AR is still the FotM weapon #1 quick grab it before BACON. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
126
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:29:00 -
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the problem is that it's a jack of all trades and master of them all.
TAC AR can, and usually will be the superior gun in every encounter. I actually want the AR's to be a jack of all trades gun. |
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