But where is the balance? I call my DS in and chose a stupid spot. You kill me and keep 1.3 million of assets. How do I as a DS pilot make 1.3 million in ISK or assets from you?

I can't steal your guns or suits. Letting you keep it lets you gain something from a match in a way I cannot. That is not fair. If you can steal my stuff, I need to be able to steal yours. Otherwise we have a situation where those making high risk investments can be robbed by those who are taking no such risk.

How about if i get close enough to hold O on you you get knocked out and I get your suit? Fair?

The fact that you even said chose a stupid spot.....ergo its not my problem.....pick a better spot......its fair whether u think it is or not

Well done for avoiding the content of my post and focusing on a totally irrelevant point. Making an assertion that it's fair without justification is useless. Saying it is fair weather i think so or not is a somewhat weak argument. I can simply reply by saying it is not fair. Now where do we go. Justify your response or be ignored.

Ill try help you. Lets say its a great spot, but i disconnect, or it drops on me, or i get pushed far from it by a friendly lav..It makes no difference. You as infantry have a way to make millions of ISK. The Pilot does not.

Explain how it is fair that in a match we can both :

Kill
Get War Points
Get Skill Points
Earn ISK from battle payments

But only you can stay in role and steal millions from me. I'm waiting.

Don't blame the thief if you leave your car unlocked and with the key in the ignition.

That a long reply where you missed the point. Ill try make this simple

1) We both die 5 times. Loot is handed out as part of loot table at the end of the match - Both of us share this method. Our suits and equipment are added to the loot table. Balance (well sort of. In a vehicle i lose a suit and a vehicle)

2) I die calling in a drop ship. How is totally irrelevant. Please try to get that. i lose my suit and you, because you were close can personally take my vehicle. it does NOT go into the loot pool for the team. - You gain from me and above your team millions of ISK.

Now is there a way for a tank/HAV/DS pilot to remove loot from the loot table and take it personally while playing his role? No. This is the imbalance. You are asking for a way to make more ISK in a match than I can just because you are infantry. That is imbalanced. That is the unfairness.

Now please stop with this childish truism about new eden being unfair. If your an adult you should know that this isn't new eden, this is a game on Earth. It is a profit generating medium targeted at the media market. It is a product that sells for real money things like tanks to people. If you do that you need to watch your product carefully to avoid breaking the law.

If i can have a AUR DS taken from me then the game needs to allow me to do the same to others. And not just their DS or Tank but whatever they have bought to the fight in the same manner they can take my stuff. In this case hacking it after their death.



Also did you seriously write that while sober? What a ignorant thing to write. I guess if you wear a short dress and get drunk you cant blame the rapist, or the burglar for coming into your house on a warm night if you sleep with the window open. You see it all the time do you? You vulgar synonym for the human vulva

During several games last evening myself and several other members of the DUST 514 community were all talking about hacking vehicles in a battle.

Currently when you hack an enemy vehicle you simply are granted friendly access to the LAV/HAV or Dropship for however long it takes you to run it off a cliff and blow it up Gumball Rally style.

The assumption was made that if you hacked the vehicle, you could keep it in your assets as you effectively "stole" it from your enemy, much like scamming or more specifically looting occurs in EVE Online.

CCP and fellow DUST players, I propose a change to the current system in which if/when you hack someones vehicle you can recall it and save the vehicle for future deployment either in that battle, or in whatever battle you wish in the future. This vehicle would and should be represented in your post match "Salvage" section, on top of any other salvage you might have received during that match.

This game mechanic is both a way to curb people from spawning tons of vehicles in a match, as well as provide those who hack the vehicle a reward for their effort.

I have brought this up to a CPM0 member and he is in support of it, and I hope both CCP and the DUST community would consider this proposal a good way to curb the mass vehicle spawning and provide people more incentives to work in the "Hacking" side of things for their respective armies.

This is a great thread. Let me provide some background.

We have discussed allowing players to directly salvage items - not just for vehicles, on the battlefield. I really like the proposal for the vehicle salvage, where hacked vehicles can be recalled into the hacker's inventory. To do this however, we would have to resolve a couple of technical issues:

1. Rather than making a vehicle usable by a particular team/individual after being hacked, enforce the concept of a new "owner" of the vehicle, so that the vehicle knows where to go to when being recalled.

2. Each blueprint and corresponding item would need to be linked. It wouldn't be feasible (or make much sense) to allow players who have hacked a vehicle that is a blueprint or has blueprints on it to inherit that blueprint. Rather, we would want a recall to place a blueprint's corresponding consumable item in the player's inventory.

This isn't a gargantuan task, but it's not something we can quickly deploy as part of a hotfix.

Thanks for the feedback guys, I will see what I can do.

ive had these exact convo's with my friends... OP 100% support as long as its a true copy... un changeable and fully 'usable' (skill free)

A little tack-on here - it goes without saying that going this route would mean that you wouldn't be able to call in your salvage if you don't have the skills for it. It would work just as any other item you have in your inventory.

Is it possible to get an update on this concept?

This is a great thread. Let me provide some background.

We have discussed allowing players to directly salvage items - not just for vehicles, on the battlefield. I really like the proposal for the vehicle salvage, where hacked vehicles can be recalled into the hacker's inventory. To do this however, we would have to resolve a couple of technical issues:

1. Rather than making a vehicle usable by a particular team/individual after being hacked, enforce the concept of a new "owner" of the vehicle, so that the vehicle knows where to go to when being recalled.

2. Each blueprint and corresponding item would need to be linked. It wouldn't be feasible (or make much sense) to allow players who have hacked a vehicle that is a blueprint or has blueprints on it to inherit that blueprint. Rather, we would want a recall to place a blueprint's corresponding consumable item in the player's inventory.

This isn't a gargantuan task, but it's not something we can quickly deploy as part of a hotfix.

Thanks for the feedback guys, I will see what I can do.

A little tack-on here - it goes without saying that going this route would mean that you wouldn't be able to call in your salvage if you don't have the skills for it. It would work just as any other item you have in your inventory.

During several games last evening myself and several other members of the DUST 514 community were all talking about hacking vehicles in a battle.

Currently when you hack an enemy vehicle you simply are granted friendly access to the LAV/HAV or Dropship for however long it takes you to run it off a cliff and blow it up Gumball Rally style.

The assumption was made that if you hacked the vehicle, you could keep it in your assets as you effectively "stole" it from your enemy, much like scamming or more specifically looting occurs in EVE Online.

CCP and fellow DUST players, I propose a change to the current system in which if/when you hack someones vehicle you can recall it and save the vehicle for future deployment either in that battle, or in whatever battle you wish in the future. This vehicle would and should be represented in your post match "Salvage" section, on top of any other salvage you might have received during that match.

This game mechanic is both a way to curb people from spawning tons of vehicles in a match, as well as provide those who hack the vehicle a reward for their effort.

I have brought this up to a CPM0 member and he is in support of it, and I hope both CCP and the DUST community would consider this proposal a good way to curb the mass vehicle spawning and provide people more incentives to work in the "Hacking" side of things for their respective armies.

the issue with this is that you may hack something you cant use therefore cant deploy. so you'll fill your inventory with loads of random crap you cant use.