18x70 bullets gives me just enough to barely down most well fitted heavies o.O

The 10% damage increase should be REMOVED for the Tactical Assault Rifles, their damage was just right beforehand.

(Getting involved with forums again, since CCP did some nice fixes yesterday... I'm happy that they were quick to fix things for a change.)

Here are some proposals to get the Tactical balanced for the upcoming update (in case the nerf hammer goes its way. lots of the guys calling for the nerf were NOT here pre-Chromosome when the Tac really was OP. in other words, they don't know what they're asking for.)
So I really want input from Closed Beta people to help drive these numbers home, if you like them.



Repeat post, placed in solo thread for general views:

Ok. I'll put some numbers out, so CCP doesn't smash the weapon.

We need to be VERY careful when it comes to the Tactical Assault Rifle, because MANY of you were NOT here Pre-Chromosome when it was TRULY overpowered.

Some things have to be made clear:
1. You cannot cut the range on the Tactical AR. It's meant to be used at the current ranges. It's a precision and counter sniping weapon.

2. You cannot increase the kick on the Tactical AR. We did this pre-Chromosome, and broke the weapon for the entire build.

3. You cannot severely cut the damage. It's balanced to be more potent than a breach. It has to be. As a semi-auto weapon every shot needs to count.
Those are the only 3 things you CAN'T nerf. The tactical has a function that it MUST fulfill.

The 10% damage increase should be REMOVED for the Tactical Assault Rifles, their damage was just right beforehand.
These are my proposed numbers:

GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifle
Damage: 67 HP
Rate of Fire: 620 RPM (compare with full auto Breach AR) down from 789.5
Accuracy Rating: 42.9 (similar hip fire spread to the Burst Scrambler Pistol) down from 56.1
Clip Size: 18 (reduction) down from 24
Max Ammo: 106 (reduction) down from 300

Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle
Damage: 70 HP
Rate of Fire: 639 RPM (better than GLU-5, but still lowered) down from 789.5
Accuracy Rating: 43.5 (exactly .6 higher than the GLU-5, as intended) down from 56.7
Clip Size: 18 (just like the GLU-5)
Max Ammo: 106


So there you have it.
A pair of Tactical Assault Rifles, balanced but NOT broken.

References:
- Accuracy Rating reference taken from hipfire for Burst Scrambler Pistol since it has very poor hip fire accuracy (this should DRASTICALLY reduce the Tactical's effectiveness in CQC, since that is the biggest issue here).

- Rate of Fire reference taken from Breach AR and PRO Scrambler Pistols RPMs (these are in the 500RPM range, but the Tac should be SLIGHTLY, just SLIGHTLY faster, fast enough to respond to finger inputs, but not fast enough for modded inputs).

- Damage reference taken from pre-10% global damage buff (rounded lower).

- Ammo reference taken from nearly every other weapon in game (majority of weapons in the game have a max amount where 1 clip is equal to 1/4 to 1/6 of their maximum ammo).

Those are my numbers.
For consideration by CCP, and the community.

I fear any numbers in excess of these will severely reduce the effectiveness of the weapon.
I saw it break once, I don't want it to break again.

There is nothing wrong with the TAC AR as it is working just fine the way it is.

Running around with the Duvolle TAC AR costs over 100k ber go so of course this weapon should be good. Top of the line.

So the bottom line is that CCP do not have to do a damn thing about this weapon. Simple

37 rounds from a Duvolle drops a 1200 HP heavy, that leaves 23 rounds left in the clip at optimal range.
18 rounds in a Tac Duvolle drops a 1200 HP, if i dont miss a single round at optimal range.

Basically the Stock Duvolle has 11 more Tac rounds worth inside it clips in case he misses.

Going by these basic numbers, you just broke the Tac again, Congratz.

This growing thread of rancor says otherwise:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76001&find=unread


My post is a defensive one, to protect the Tactical AR from over nerf.

18x70 bullets gives me just enough to barely down most well fitted heavies o.O

37 rounds from a Duvolle drops a 1200 HP heavy, that leaves 23 rounds left in the clip at optimal range.
18 rounds in a Tac Duvolle drops a 1200 HP, if i dont miss a single round at optimal range.

Basically the Stock Duvolle has 11 more Tac rounds worth inside it clips in case he misses.

Going by these basic numbers, you just broke the Tac again, Congratz.

And this is why the Duvolle costs 47k while the TAC Duvolle costs 77k. What is it that you are not understanding kid?




A growing thread with crybabies tells me nothing. lol what a joke!

Grow a brain larger than a walnut will you?

So you are angry now? Mad because of a video game so you start to hate on people who dont think the same as you?

Are you born to lose or is this new?

There is nothing wrong with the TAC AR as it is working just fine the way it is.

Running around with the Duvolle TAC AR costs over 100k ber go so of course this weapon should be good. Top of the line.

So the bottom line is that CCP do not have to do a damn thing about this weapon. Simple

"I'm a terrible player, therefore I need this piece of equipment to make me powerful so I can kill people in 3 shots. Please, do not nerf this weapon or else I'll be terrible again..."

Llan Heindell.

Why do people think price should be used as a way to balance things?

The TAC AR is just fine the way it is and works just like a 77k weapon should.

Translates as:

"I'm a terrible player, therefore I need this piece of equipment to make me powerful so I can kill people in 3 shots. Please, do not nerf this weapon or else I'll be terrible again..."

@topic

The TAC Duv has 78 base damage. It is too much damage for a weapon with a range advantage. I say 60 is enough. Since you can shoot people before they are able to shoot you back, you don't really need the damage advantage because you'll already be dealing damage from outside the danger zone.

Llan Heindell.

There is nothing wrong with the TAC AR as it is working just fine the way it is.

Running around with the Duvolle TAC AR costs over 100k ber go so of course this weapon should be good. Top of the line.

So the bottom line is that CCP do not have to do a damn thing about this weapon. Simple

sorry bro, there will be a TAR nerf for sure, deal with it

106 ammo capacity? Hell no. It needs a rof decrease like you said and perhaps the 10% removed that's it. Also dislike your clip size reduction. 24 clip size for both would be nice

I was going to agree with you, to you say; removing the 10% boost weapon damage only from the Tactical...I don't think you thought that one thoroughly.

The full 10% damage boost in ALL weapons, needs to be rollback to what it was to start with.

Everyone seems to have their own personal agenda in this forums...

The only tweak the TAC AR needs is regarding its ROF.

It should have less ROF than the breach variant.

=> The higher the damage output per bullet, the lower the ROF.