The 10% damage increase should be REMOVED for the Tactical Assault Rifles, their damage was just right beforehand.

(Getting involved with forums again, since CCP did some nice fixes yesterday... I'm happy that they were quick to fix things for a change.)

Here are some proposals to get the Tactical balanced for the upcoming update (in case the nerf hammer goes its way. lots of the guys calling for the nerf were NOT here pre-Chromosome when the Tac really was OP. in other words, they don't know what they're asking for.)
So I really want input from Closed Beta people to help drive these numbers home, if you like them.



Repeat post, placed in solo thread for general views:

Ok. I'll put some numbers out, so CCP doesn't smash the weapon.

We need to be VERY careful when it comes to the Tactical Assault Rifle, because MANY of you were NOT here Pre-Chromosome when it was TRULY overpowered.

Some things have to be made clear:
1. You cannot cut the range on the Tactical AR. It's meant to be used at the current ranges. It's a precision and counter sniping weapon.

2. You cannot increase the kick on the Tactical AR. We did this pre-Chromosome, and broke the weapon for the entire build.

3. You cannot severely cut the damage. It's balanced to be more potent than a breach. It has to be. As a semi-auto weapon every shot needs to count.
Those are the only 3 things you CAN'T nerf. The tactical has a function that it MUST fulfill.

The 10% damage increase should be REMOVED for the Tactical Assault Rifles, their damage was just right beforehand.
These are my proposed numbers:

GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifle
Damage: 67 HP
Rate of Fire: 620 RPM (compare with full auto Breach AR) down from 789.5
Accuracy Rating: 42.9 (similar hip fire spread to the Burst Scrambler Pistol) down from 56.1
Clip Size: 18 (reduction) down from 24
Max Ammo: 106 (reduction) down from 300

Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle
Damage: 70 HP
Rate of Fire: 639 RPM (better than GLU-5, but still lowered) down from 789.5
Accuracy Rating: 43.5 (exactly .6 higher than the GLU-5, as intended) down from 56.7
Clip Size: 18 (just like the GLU-5)
Max Ammo: 106


So there you have it.
A pair of Tactical Assault Rifles, balanced but NOT broken.

References:
- Accuracy Rating reference taken from hipfire for Burst Scrambler Pistol since it has very poor hip fire accuracy (this should DRASTICALLY reduce the Tactical's effectiveness in CQC, since that is the biggest issue here).

- Rate of Fire reference taken from Breach AR and PRO Scrambler Pistols RPMs (these are in the 500RPM range, but the Tac should be SLIGHTLY, just SLIGHTLY faster, fast enough to respond to finger inputs, but not fast enough for modded inputs).

- Damage reference taken from pre-10% global damage buff (rounded lower).

- Ammo reference taken from nearly every other weapon in game (majority of weapons in the game have a max amount where 1 clip is equal to 1/4 to 1/6 of their maximum ammo).

Those are my numbers.
For consideration by CCP, and the community.

I fear any numbers in excess of these will severely reduce the effectiveness of the weapon.
I saw it break once, I don't want it to break again.

37 rounds from a Duvolle drops a 1200 HP heavy, that leaves 23 rounds left in the clip at optimal range.
18 rounds in a Tac Duvolle drops a 1200 HP, if i dont miss a single round at optimal range.

Basically the Stock Duvolle has 11 more Tac rounds worth inside it clips in case he misses.

Going by these basic numbers, you just broke the Tac again, Congratz.

This growing thread of rancor says otherwise:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76001&find=unread


My post is a defensive one, to protect the Tactical AR from over nerf.

Grow a brain larger than a walnut will you?

"I'm a terrible player, therefore I need this piece of equipment to make me powerful so I can kill people in 3 shots. Please, do not nerf this weapon or else I'll be terrible again..."

Llan Heindell.

There is nothing wrong with the TAC AR as it is working just fine the way it is.

Running around with the Duvolle TAC AR costs over 100k ber go so of course this weapon should be good. Top of the line.

So the bottom line is that CCP do not have to do a damn thing about this weapon. Simple

There is nothing wrong with the TAC AR as it is working just fine the way it is.

Running around with the Duvolle TAC AR costs over 100k ber go so of course this weapon should be good. Top of the line.

So the bottom line is that CCP do not have to do a damn thing about this weapon. Simple

Well, people are generally rolling much higher HP totals, and overall durability these days. I think CCP made a good call for the 10%. Sniper rifles actually hurt again for one. lol

But I dont think the Tactical needed it.
It basically punches as hard as a scrambler at excess 70m... that's a hell of a lot of power.
The 10% puts the duvy tac at 78, and the glu-5 at 75... that's pretty high.

Pre-10% they were working great. The 10% makes every weapon work, great, but no one was really fussing the tactical until after it was implemented.

lol I admit to having an agenda: 'wanting to buffer the incoming hit to the tactical' lol because i really like using it.

You just realized you're going to need to be accurate with a duvolle tactical, Congratz.
Better not miss, genius.

If you had an attention span long enough to realize the thread was intending to be a nerf buffer you'd spare me the sarcasm.

There's growing antipathy against the Tactical.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76001&find=unread