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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.05.13 09:56:00 -
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In the nearly 50 games I've played in this build, I've come across only 4 lois with repair tools. WTF are they using their slots for. PS, where are the scanners? |
Quill Killian
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.05.13 09:59:00 -
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Hmm. Well, with a lot of the dropsuits coming with built-in armor repair abitlities (at least on all of the racial logistics suits), it reduces the need for repair tools.
Add to that the fact that alot of "logiassaults" are running around, and, well, you see why repair tools are becoming more rare.
Oh, and it doesn't help one bit that the repair "cooldown" is still in effect, when folks get no points for keeping their team functioning. And getting the darn tool to lock on to a moving target is difficult, at best. Plus, why in God's name is the repair tool still coded to lock onto objectives that are fully repaired or require no repairs? Sheesh, CCP.
Last, but not least CCP, when will logistics troops get points again for keeping vehicles and installations in tip-top shape?
Right now, it's a very bad time to be a "real" logistics trooper. Heck, even our nanite injectors don't work half of the time. |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:00:00 -
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Repair tools>>>>>>>>>>built in repairers I should know. I'm armor tanked on both my characters |
IceStormers
Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:03:00 -
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The logi support role has been nerfed, personally i no longer play Logi even though i have spent all my sp in it
I now play as an assault in a scout suit with a uplink or repair tool |
Delirium Inferno
Edoras Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:03:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote: WTF are they using their slots for. Nothing, they're using the logistics for the increased CPU/PG but ignoring the equipment so they can put a complex mod in all their slots.
The ones who do use repair tools may stop healing if they reached their cooldown. In my opinion there should be a small amount of war points rewarded for fulling repairing someone's armor that does not work on the cooldown.
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Tiluvo
Digital Mercs
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:03:00 -
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I'm right here. LFSquad channel |
Import Beercase
Red Fox Brigade
19
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:05:00 -
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Nanohive (R) is more easier to use and radial messes up sometimes... So 2 hives and protoinjector is my deal on this build. |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:07:00 -
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Import Beercase wrote:Nanohive (R) is more easier to use and radial messes up sometimes... So 2 hives and protoinjector is my deal on this build. Lol I have that on this account, and trust me, it doesn't last long enough for me to use it myself |
Spunty
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:09:00 -
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Yo.
Pop into Dead Six Chat. I haven't meet a logi in D6 that doesn't carry a repair tool. Including myself. |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
384
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:12:00 -
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I'll always whip out my Repair Tool when I have the chance regardless of WP gains. I myself have been repaired many times too so maybe you just having, eh, bad pl.. luck?
Also Scanner gets mad use. It's my fave toy. |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
299
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:13:00 -
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I use the scanner, but not the repair tool. Maybe when I have four slots. |
Spunty
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
15
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:14:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:RuckingFetard wrote: WTF are they using their slots for. Nothing, they're using the logistics for the increased CPU/PG but ignoring the equipment so they can put a complex mod in all their slots. The ones who do use repair tools may stop healing if they reached their cooldown. In my opinion there should be a small amount of war points rewarded for fulling repairing someone's armor that does not work on the cooldown. You haven't played with me. I do use Caldari logi but I use advanced injector, repair tools, and hives. I don't care about cool down. I stop healing when the blue is healthy. |
Terarrim
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
20
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:15:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:In the nearly 50 games I've played in this build, I've come across only 4 logis with repair tools. WTF are they using their slots for. PS, where are the scanners?
As a all round support logi player last build gek/level 4 nano/level 5 triage nano/level 5 repper level 5 grenedier. I could do a bit of everything with no damage mods I could kill and was a threat to Vehicles but my main job was support wether that was offensive or defensivly.
I tried as best I could to go the same root this time due to the sp cost I have had to gimp my offence early on level 2 grenedier and bpo weapons, in order to fit a proto repper, level 3 nano (cant fit level 4 due to pg issues) and level 3 nano injector.
I spent 11 million on my build for proto logi amarr and it suffers in comparison. Still havent got level 5 in core skills that I need particularly level 5 in engineering. I still haven't got max defensive skills either had to sacrifice points in order to get that level 5 repper. I didn't get level 5 in nanos due to the fact I woudnt have the pg to have level 5 nano injector and level 5 nanohive anyway.
So as a pure support logi I have extreem difficulty in getting anywhere near as effective as my former build which is why other people will probably gone offence before support.
In addition I found issues with my support in this build:
In a game yesterday out of 5 rezzes I only manage to picked one person up.
Reppers often missfire instead of the box appearing so i can lock on to rep someone the dot will apear and I will have to repeatedily spam the rep button in a desperate attempt to get my beam on someone before they die.
I have to run proto logi which while much cheaper is still relativly exepnesive plus as a proto user and a logi makes me a target. So sometimes to gain money I run advanced medium frame instead to gain back money and help my team mates by dps and level 4 rep/ammo nanos.
In conclusion repping is not as easy as before, and the costs are high in both the need for very high core skills and the actual skills themselves.
Lastly I found before the HMG buff that my main reason to play logi i.e. heavy support was pointless as the heavies were so week at dps that I was better off trying to add dps with my exile than keeping up the heavies with my proto repper.
BTW I will be posting a feedback review on either or of the two proto reppers dual or single if people wish in feedback section. |
Spunty
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
15
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:19:00 -
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Terarrim wrote:In a game yesterday out of 5 rezzes I only manage to picked one person up.
Reppers often missfire instead of the box appearing so i can lock on to rep someone the dot will apear and I will have to repeatedily spam the rep button in a desperate attempt to get my beam on someone before they die.
This^^^^^^
Injectors are unreliable and the repper can misfire. Very frustrating. |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
299
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:20:00 -
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I run rep tools and rep people even after hitting the triage limit. Sadly however despite the glowing screen of healyness effect we now get most bluedots refuse to be healed and instead sprint away as fast as they can. |
Import Beercase
Red Fox Brigade
19
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:22:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Import Beercase wrote:Nanohive (R) is more easier to use and radial messes up sometimes... So 2 hives and protoinjector is my deal on this build. Lol I have that on this account, and trust me, it doesn't last long enough for me to use it myself
Two proto repair hives and 3 proto gauged ammo hives on choke points. Or near supply depot I throw all of them down and go change suit for different hives and create a nanohive disco. Get around 800-1500 points with under 5 kills per round. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
554
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:24:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:In the nearly 50 games I've played in this build, I've come across only 4 logis with repair tools. WTF are they using their slots for. PS, where are the scanners?
I run the proto rep tool, loving the spider rep....advance injector and hives........ |
Terarrim
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
22
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:24:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:I run rep tools and rep people even after hitting the triage limit. Sadly however despite the glowing screen of healyness effect we now get most bluedots refuse to be healed and instead sprint away as fast as they can.
Due to my Amarr build and using the proto repper single usually (only 10 meter rep) it is harder to rep blue dots up that are not heavies due to my speed being below that of assault and scouts. Conversly with 105 hps a second if I do manage it, it only takes two seconds to get most assault back to full armour lol.
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Spunty
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
15
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:32:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:I run rep tools and rep people even after hitting the triage limit. Sadly however despite the glowing screen of healyness effect we now get most bluedots refuse to be healed and instead sprint away as fast as they can. This happens to me all too often.
We wear bumblebee suits people! How hard is it to not see us or the orange aura thing?
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Tenchu-13
What The French CRONOS.
105
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:33:00 -
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Terarrim wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:In the nearly 50 games I've played in this build, I've come across only 4 logis with repair tools. WTF are they using their slots for. PS, where are the scanners? As a all round support logi player last build gek/level 4 nano/level 5 triage nano/level 5 repper level 5 grenedier. I could do a bit of everything with no damage mods I could kill and was a threat to Vehicles but my main job was support wether that was offensive or defensivly. I tried as best I could to go the same root this time due to the sp cost I have had to gimp my offence early on level 2 grenedier and bpo weapons, in order to fit a proto repper, level 3 nano (cant fit level 4 due to pg issues) and level 3 nano injector. I spent 11 million on my build for proto logi amarr and it suffers in comparison. Still havent got level 5 in core skills that I need particularly level 5 in engineering. I still haven't got max defensive skills either had to sacrifice points in order to get that level 5 repper. I didn't get level 5 in nanos due to the fact I woudnt have the pg to have level 5 nano injector and level 5 nanohive anyway. So as a pure support logi I have extreem difficulty in getting anywhere near as effective as my former build which is why other people will probably gone offence before support. In addition I found issues with my support in this build: In a game yesterday out of 5 rezzes I only manage to picked one person up. Reppers often missfire instead of the box appearing so i can lock on to rep someone the dot will apear and I will have to repeatedily spam the rep button in a desperate attempt to get my beam on someone before they die. I have to run proto logi which while much cheaper is still relativly exepnesive plus as a proto user and a logi makes me a target. So sometimes to gain money I run advanced medium frame instead to gain back money and help my team mates by dps and level 4 rep/ammo nanos. In conclusion repping is not as easy as before, and the costs are high in both the need for very high core skills and the actual skills themselves. Lastly I found before the HMG buff that my main reason to play logi i.e. heavy support was pointless as the heavies were so week at dps that I was better off trying to add dps with my exile than keeping up the heavies with my proto repper. BTW I will be posting a feedback review on either or of the two proto reppers dual or single if people wish in feedback section.
I have ran into the same problems. Logi became way too expensive in SP points. I'm not nearly half way where I was before i think. Even tho ISK prices had a significant drop, running logi is still expensive.
'rezzing' people has become something like russian roulette... some times you win and some time you loose... I have had to spam the injector wildly on more the one occasion, hoping to find whoever was dying on the ground and therefore putting myself unnecessarily at risk. And to be honest the radial menu-bug doesn't help either. At times the switch just doesn't register and you have to do do it a few times before you actually have the injector in your hands.
Alot of small bugs/things that make running logi alot more difficult then before.
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Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
301
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:34:00 -
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Spunty wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:I run rep tools and rep people even after hitting the triage limit. Sadly however despite the glowing screen of healyness effect we now get most bluedots refuse to be healed and instead sprint away as fast as they can. This happens to me all too often. We wear bumblebee suits people! How hard is it to not see us or the orange aura thing?
My best time ever on this game was the first bluedot I healed in uprising, He saw the orange aura glow and must have assumed I was attacking him or something so he spun round threw a grenade at me which with me being just behind him landed at his feet and well you can guess how that worked out.
Also Damn you error 404. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1040
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:35:00 -
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They're too busy at taking the assaults job. Because who cares about support? |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1111
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:35:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:In the nearly 50 games I've played in this build, I've come across only 4 logis with repair tools. WTF are they using their slots for. PS, where are the scanners? too much sp investment to get to logi suits |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
19
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:35:00 -
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My rep beam always decides to jump to the ally with full health next to you or the installation behind you.
That and it seems that I have to wait a good 2 sec before I can get a lock on when I whip my reptool out (that is when the game decides to not take out the nanohives instead)...you are long out of my range by then...
PS: don't start running around corners when you are finally being repped. |
Llan Heindell
One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative
80
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:37:00 -
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I have proto repair tools. And I use them, they are good.
Problem is, even with a proto repair tool that reps 105/s I can't keep a heavy alive when he is being hit by TAC Duv. lol It's just stupid like that.
Llan Heindell. |
Spunty
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
15
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:42:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Spunty wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:I run rep tools and rep people even after hitting the triage limit. Sadly however despite the glowing screen of healyness effect we now get most bluedots refuse to be healed and instead sprint away as fast as they can. This happens to me all too often. We wear bumblebee suits people! How hard is it to not see us or the orange aura thing? My best time ever on this game was the first bluedot I healed in uprising, He saw the orange aura glow and must have assumed I was attacking him or something so he spun round threw a grenade at me which with me being just behind him landed at his feet and well you can guess how that worked out. Also Damn you error 404. Several blueberries had thought I was attacking them in Chromosome when I was repping. They just see what looks like electricity and freak out.
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Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
304
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:48:00 -
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Atleast in Chromosome if your rep'd them from behind you wouldn't startle them lol. |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
83
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:49:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:In the nearly 50 games I've played in this build, I've come across only 4 logis with repair tools. WTF are they using their slots for. PS, where are the scanners? too much sp investment to get to logi suits Really? I got Adv. Logi equipment with only 4 million SP. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
809
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:50:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:In the nearly 50 games I've played in this build, I've come across only 4 logis with repair tools. WTF are they using their slots for. PS, where are the scanners? We can't use them because the radial wheel is ****ed up. If you're low on armor and a logi is shooting at you in control bursts, or if you're out of ammo and they're shooting at the ground in controlled burst, or even if you're dead and a hive of logi bees are just buzzing around you with their stingers out until you bleed to death, that's why.
But if they're Caldari wiht a Duvolle TAR, you're **** out of luck. |
Tok'Ra Operative
Tok'Ra. General Tso's Alliance
12
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Posted - 2013.05.13 10:50:00 -
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If you want to save up isk and sp, your left with a militia suit with 1 (!) utility slot. It's like they removed the logi out of the logi |
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