I would like to take a moment for those interested, and make you aware of an Uprising within Planetary Response Organization. To put the record straight for anyone interesting in twisting truths, here is a summary of the past Events;

On Saturday, a policy change was implemented much to the dismay of the folks who participated in the effected program. As a result of this instability, we are anticipating the defection of approximately 75-150 of our active Veterans.

I can assure you much to your dismay that this will have limited short term effects on our present and future goals.

For those who served before us, thank you for your service.
Best of luck to you and your new corporation(s).

Goat Bless!

To be clear Joe your "Policy Change" was to disband all the platoons that were set up for Planetary Conquest. Some of which were actually winning Corp battles against decent corps.
Also to be clear, Joe, those people you lost was 90% of alpha squad, and 50% of the rest of the platoons. So basically most of the people who spent the last 1-3 months training for Planetary conquest. You real reason for disbanding them all of a sudden, no one knows, but I am pretty sure that you got tired of not being the center of attention.

I love everyone in PRO, and I will miss them. If you weren't the leader Joe, I might of liked you too. You have this amazing ability to cultivate a friendly environment, and you can be a good guy. However you sir are a horrible leader. You just are in-able to make any good strategic decisions. Maybe because you are always worried that someone was going to shine brighter then you, but probably just because of all the booze.

Are you sure this isn't some kind of ploy to get your members in other Corps to gather information for tomorrow? The whole thing just sounds kinda sketchy for some reason.

I hope you are joining us.

Of Course.

I hope you are joining us.

We'll to be have inactive for the past week or so , I seen this one coming.

Best wishes for PRO, PR0, and all the members.

The decision to disband the platoons was unfortunate. I understand that the platoons may have seemed "clickish" to some, but they served a strategic purpose. Squading up with the same group of people allow you to become familiar with their play styles and increase a squads effectiveness as a unit.

This certainly wasn't the first shortsighted decision made by PRO leadership that has allowed me to question any future with the corp. Staying with PRO any longer would only invite more opportunities for disappointment in the future.

There are lots of great people in PRO, and good luck to all of you

We'll to be have inactive for the past week or so , I seen this one coming.
Edit: We'll sorry to joe, but I'll be joing with sev kimura as soon as he'll have me. Nothing against your leadership capabilities, but the way sev holds a transcending connection of leadership through a playerbase of 40 or more makes a greater impact on me than the way your able to hold together a much more vast playerbase.

Thank you moon I hope every member of PRO reads this

It has been in the works for a while, again best of luck to our friends outside the circle.

Nice choice of words, noted.

Unfortunately saying "Next time you may thing it through?", serves no purpose anymore.
Good luck to you as well.

Wait what? Are you serious? I'm sorry, I was able to forgive a lot of things before, but as a PRO member I'm afraid I'll need more than the generic, "There were disagreements on policy" and, "we disbanded the platoon project because we felt it was harmful to the community" for this. I mean, this is huge, why the hell are up to 150 of our top members (including arguably our best player, Sev Kimura), leaving the corp?

Everyone was outside the circle but you Joe and maybe some of the directors, you choose that will never challenge you.

They were outside the circle as a result of isolating themselves sorry, its the catch 22 of the platoon program, shall we continue here, or do you wish to reply in game?

Wait what? Are you serious? I'm sorry, I was able to forgive a lot of things before, but as a PRO member I'm afraid I'll need more than the generic, "There were disagreements on policy" and, "we disbanded the platoon project because we felt it was harmful to the community" for this. I mean, this is huge, why the hell are up to 150 of our top members (including arguably our best player, Sev Kimura), leaving the corp?

They were outside the circle as a result of isolating themselves sorry, its the catch 22 of the platoon program, shall we continue here, or do you wish to reply in game?

Erm Joe can I get a response to my question? Unless you're endorsing PRO members taking up Mobius' offer and getting info solely from their new pub chat.

Hey Tim! Long time no shoot in the face.

The only surprise about this is that it took you guys 3 months to figure it out while everyone who played MAG was telling you this from the beginning.

Honestly when it comes to online gaming you have to take info like that with some skepticism. I mean sure, it's possible it's accurate, but it's just as possible it's just a bunch of people trying to smear someone's name (for w/e reason). I've encountered the latter enough times in my experience with different players to know that ultimately, you have to use your judgment and decide for yourself.

Well Joe here has been telling his whole corp (PRO) that we have been in an alliance with Sever True Blood, Subdreditt, and Test Alliance for the last 3 months. Today I come to find out, we have no alliance with STB. So given that JOE has lied to us about that and the fact we got an alliance channel like everyone else. I'll assume that PRO has no alliances. Was this information limited only to your Secret Circle also Joe?

Honestly when it comes to online gaming you have to take info like that with some skepticism. I mean sure, it's possible it's accurate, but it's just as possible it's just a bunch of people trying to smear someone's name (for w/e reason). I've encountered the latter enough times in my experience with different players to know that ultimately, you have to use your judgment and decide for yourself.

Wait what? Are you serious? I'm sorry, I was able to forgive a lot of things before, but as a PRO member I'm afraid I'll need more than the generic, "There were disagreements on policy" and, "we disbanded the platoon project because we felt it was harmful to the community" for this. I mean, this is huge, why the hell are up to 150 of our top members (including arguably our best player, Sev Kimura), leaving the corp?

So is Molon Labe. affiliated with Hellstorm?

Well Joe here has been telling his whole corp (PRO) that we have been in an alliance with Sever True Blood, Subdreditt, and Test Alliance for the last 3 months. Today I come to find out, we have no alliance with STB. So given that JOE has lied to us about that and the fact PRO does not have an alliance channel like everyone else. I'll assume that PRO has no alliances. Was this information limited only to your Secret Circle also Joe?

Well havent you got to ask yourself this.. Why was Sev Kimura in the Corp in the 1st place? For such a high rated/ranked player that could go anywhere in Dust (so I have been told), why PRO? And you say arguably our best players.. how do you define that? are you judging on their SP?..

Our best players are loyal ones, and WOW I played with guys last night in PRO that i had never played with before and they were going 15/1 now would where do you consider that?

All I can say is I thank and fully support Joe in what he is doing and so do the rest of our corporation, the 'policy change' works and we only come back stronger.

Good Luck Sev...

Sum1ne Else.

Our public channel: Sand Castles

You can talk to us directly, squad up, shoot the ****, whatever.

Can we watch you get swept away by the tide? :3

Can we watch you get swept away by the tide? :3

LMFAO!!!! Well I'm glad you all have seen the proverbial light, although a few months too late. The first wave of us to leave was almost 3 months ago, and we all saw CBJ's paranoia and thuggery.

As the saying goes what goes around comes around, karma is a ***** isn't joe, I guess I was right in the end, you are just a thug and a bully, and as previous comments mentioned had you relinquished your leadership PRO might have actually become something.

But I do have to commend you on one thing, you were so ******* paranoid about everyone that your worst fears came true. LMFAO!!!!!!

Oh and your in game message to me being a tool was one of the funniest things I've ever read, a "leader" sending hate mail is ******* hilarious!!

There was a vote last night.

I'm not sure if we've been given the green light to announce the result of that vote. I'll have to find out after work.

Prima, I would suggest that you not post on this matter, as you clearly do not fully understand the situation and are seriously misunderstanding what occurred and what we stand for.

We wanted nothing but the success of PRO, but we truly felt that ContraBanJoe was not pursuing that success in the correct fashion. Nobody stated that we felt that any of the defectors could have run PRO better than Joe has, however, we do feel that Joe was not leading us in the best way that HE could have. Sev attempted to calmly bring his grievances to Joe's attention, as he as done many times before. Sev was met with nothing but animosity, personal attacks, and refusal of cooperation from Joe.

As for the platoons, it has nothing to do with "cliques" or removal of separation. The reason we are upset is that the platoons were WORKING, for the first time we were winning battles against some of the best corps in Dust. Alpha Platoon had won battles against What The French, SVER True Bloods, Hellstorm Inc., Internal Error, and several others. Bravo and Charlie were showing similar improvement and many were excited to either join platoons or spearhead new platoons. Joe removed platoons as soon as they started to become successful.

And why was a thread needed on this drama?...

Planetary Response Organization, we're not going anywhere."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

There have been some members of Molon Labe. and others accuse ContraBanJoe of having anger, poor leadership skills, or paranoia. As such, there have been no chat logs posted, no evidence provided, or any other forms of proof to verify any kind of behavior like this from ContraBanJoe and their arguments are generally hearsay.

+1

Prima, I would suggest that you not post on this matter, as you clearly do not fully understand the situation and are seriously misunderstanding what occurred and what we stand for.

We wanted nothing but the success of PRO, but we truly felt that ContraBanJoe was not pursuing that success in the correct fashion. Nobody stated that we felt that any of the defectors could have run PRO better than Joe has, however, we do feel that Joe was not leading us in the best way that HE could have. Sev attempted to calmly bring his grievances to Joe's attention, as he as done many times before. Sev was met with nothing but animosity, personal attacks, and refusal of cooperation from Joe.

As for the platoons, it has nothing to do with "cliques" or removal of separation. The reason we are upset is that the platoons were WORKING, for the first time we were winning battles against some of the best corps in Dust. Alpha Platoon had won battles against What The French, SVER True Bloods, Hellstorm Inc., Internal Error, and several others. Bravo and Charlie were showing similar improvement and many were excited to either join platoons or spearhead new platoons. Joe removed platoons as soon as they started to become successful.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I expect this to turn into a very juicy drama thread hope I'm not disappointed. *grabs popcorn*

Well havent you got to ask yourself this.. Why was Sev Kimura in the Corp in the 1st place? For such a high rated/ranked player that could go anywhere in Dust (so I have been told), why PRO? And you say arguably our best players.. how do you define that? are you judging on their SP?..

Our best players are loyal ones, and WOW I played with guys last night in PRO that i had never played with before and they were going 15/1 now would where do you consider that?

All I can say is I thank and fully support Joe in what he is doing and so do the rest of our corporation, the 'policy change' works and we only come back stronger.

Good Luck Sev...

Sum1ne Else.

Since your are looking for proof, here is a voice recording of Joe in PRO corp chat last night. Nuff Said.

https://soundcloud.com/hawkin-pete/joe-going-off

Sand castles are the best because you can always build another one the next day in the same spot . In this life nothing stays the same, nothing, so changes are good. I am happy for the guys that left because maybe you guys needed to enjoy the game more and maybe you are going to find the answers were are looking for. I really wish you guys the best to all of the ones that left the corp. It was a pleasure sharing a squad and the corp with you guys. As from my part, I carry no feelings towards any of you and if we ended in the same team in a match I will go to team chat for old times sake.

Since your are looking for proof, here is a voice recording of Joe in PRO corp chat last night. Nuff Said.

https://soundcloud.com/hawkin-pete/joe-going-off

More of a rhetorical question to generate discussion about this affiliation. I can see you guys on the Hellstorm forums making mention of it.

Heh funny. There's no time to give a simple response to a post, but there's time to kick me from the guild for a disagreeable post.

Say hello to Joes egotistical and tyrannical ways when dealing with any opposition.

Heh funny. There's no time to give a simple response to a post, but there's time to kick me from the guild for a disagreeable post.

Look on the corporate recruitment forum for our thread. We'll take you in.

Yeah! Join PRO 2.0 so we can do this every other week!

No need to name call Thor, it was funny and only to be expected.

I can already see that PRO will b gunning for us when PC starts just from joe's comments doesn't have too be this way

For some Isk Bunnies will come to your aid :)

For some Isk Bunnies will come to your aid :)

Listened to that audio, very interesting clip for sure. Joe wants Molon Labe. to back off? Sounds like Joe is scared of what Molon Labe. is going to become, not to mention the players they have at their disposal. Sev Kimura is a great leader, I can't believe how ignorant ContraBanJoe is, thinking this was a premeditated ordeal. How dumb founded do you have to be? Sorry ContraBanJoe but you caused this on yourself, I dare you to 'wipe out' Molon Labe., you know they would smash you, just saying.

lol, considering....most of us have already "PAID" PFBH 300mil ...ill consider them PAID IN FULL...

Joe why would you post this on the forums? what like 90% of the commmunity i'm sure doesn't give a **** about what happens in PxRxO, and the 10% that do are either from PRO, Ex-Pro, or had/have ties to PRO..

anyway ... i'm not bashing ya joe.. or anyone, but i think our focus should be on CONQUEST... Lets stop running our Mouths(fingers i guess) and Discuss this on the Battlefield.... Actions do speak louder than words after all.


Good To all In Conquest,

LT. Apparition

It seems like you have you numbers mixed up from reading the previous few pages...

Anyway..I think this should be the last post from both PRO and Labe. - I will do my best to make this happen, I hope Labe. have the mutual respect to do the same.

And finally..WOW wouldnt this be the biggest conspiracy going- PRO have now infiltrated 'The League of Infamy' with Labe. and have fooled the community at the same time getting back the 300m from PFBH that was originally lost by Alpha toon the now Labe. ha ha #Now got you thinking- do you trust them? really?

It seems like you have you numbers mixed up from reading the previous few pages...

Anyway..I think this should be the last post from both PRO and Labe. - I will do my best to make this happen, I hope Labe. have the mutual respect to do the same.

And finally..WOW wouldnt this be the biggest conspiracy going- PRO have now infiltrated 'The League of Infamy' with Labe. and have fooled the community at the same time getting back the 300m from PFBH that was originally lost by Alpha toon the now Labe. ha ha #Now got you thinking- do you trust them? really?

Well see that was a HUGE oversight by Joe. This way we get paid and you get retribution in seeing PRO get demolished by a group of MERCS who have hated Joe FOREVER.

Just sayin'. The offer is always on the table. However I HIGHLY doubt we'd take an offer from Joe to do a damn thing!

It seems like you have you numbers mixed up from reading the previous few pages...

Anyway..I think this should be the last post from both PRO and Labe. - I will do my best to make this happen, I hope Labe. have the mutual respect to do the same.

And finally..WOW wouldnt this be the biggest conspiracy going- PRO have now infiltrated 'The League of Infamy' with Labe. and have fooled the community at the same time getting back the 300m from PFBH that was originally lost by Alpha toon the now Labe. ha ha #Now got you thinking- do you trust them? really?

It seems like you have you numbers mixed up from reading the previous few pages...

Anyway..I think this should be the last post from both PRO and Labe. - I will do my best to make this happen, I hope Labe. have the mutual respect to do the same.

And finally..WOW wouldnt this be the biggest conspiracy going- PRO have now infiltrated 'The League of Infamy' with Labe. and have fooled the community at the same time getting back the 300m from PFBH that was originally lost by Alpha toon the now Labe. ha ha #Now got you thinking- do you trust them? really?

Since your are looking for proof, here is a voice recording of Joe in PRO corp chat last night. Nuff Said.

https://soundcloud.com/hawkin-pete/joe-going-off

No more posting Molon Labe. members, we are done with this crap. moving on fellas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KK8H2zW1wY&list=WLF856F49EDD0CFAEF

Really, This is your leader? Wow Guys.

lol - from one dictator to the next.

Well see that was a HUGE oversight by Joe. This way we get paid and you get retribution in seeing PRO get demolished by a group of MERCS who have hated Joe FOREVER.

Just sayin'. The offer is always on the table. However I HIGHLY doubt we'd take an offer from Joe to do a damn thing!

THANK YOU... We were looking for this video months and months ago! Couldn't find it for the life of me.

Salute!

Oh... My... Gawd...
Why didn't you show me this earlier. This is the guy I followed for 4 months? I am a total idiot. Wow, I am so embarrassed because of all the support I gave this guy. That is the guy I have been supporting? Holy ****! I deserve all the **** people have been giving me.

I apologize to everyone. Check and mate, I lose. I concede. Nothing I can say can justify this. I am grateful for the friends and comrads that I made in PRO, but how do I explain that I defended this man to be a part of a good group of guys. Pelt me with tomatoes and onions, I deserve it. I want to bury my head in the sand forever.

A little over the top again, (I suppose in common spirit), but its very sweet sir.

Your both a scholar and a puppet.

I thought we said this thread was dead guys... think about it. Go... Shooooo?

Goat bless you,

I have tin cans to snack on.
Salute.

listen to the lyrics and ask why , why now, who, New Eden is a place for all kinds of shenanigans. Mega corp lotto was 1 day prior. Who left? where is your isk now? and now who is to blame. And most important who is still working for the cause? Be paranoid its a crazy train out there folks. Its a perfect storm right now for mega corp lotto and the followers. I feel bad now because I legit liked a lot of you. Sorry you got in the middle of this. or not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w17PV72I8G0&feature=fvwrel

Most of the Defectors are joining Molon Labe. which is being run by Sev Kimura.

I think what you meant to say (because this is what actually happened) was that you kicked Thundernick from your corp because he was talking with Sev Kimura, about maybe switching corps. He then went on to win the lottery to the tune of 781 mil ISK, and you choose not honor it. Thundernick one of the nicest guys you could know, who had never said a bad thing about anyone in PRO, including Joe, you screwed him over I hope you are so very proud of yourselves.

NTM JOE promised many people that left, he would refund them for the lottery tickets they had bought before the drawing.

Would Thundernick of joined Molon if you had not kicked him? ---- We will never know.
Will more people leave PRO now that the lottery is over? ---- ...

My only regret was not removing Sev Kimura 5 months ago when our directors were reviewing him... 3 directors wanted him to stay, 5 didn't. I personally knew better than to keep him around, but chose to side with my "friends" as directors... turns out they are not as good at judging character as I believed them to be.

Tada!

I have no regrets over the decision to shut down platoons... they never should have existed. My only regret was not removing Sev Kimura 5 months ago when our directors were reviewing him... 3 directors wanted him to stay, 5 didn't. I personally knew better than to keep him around, but chose to side with my "friends" as directors... turns out they are not as good at judging character as I believed them to be.

Tada!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w17PV72I8G0&feature=fvwrel

First, your off on the winnings, it was 710 Million ISK.

Second, your off on Thunder Nick. He left us, sad but true. He was never kicked.

Third, the offer was put in place to those who wanted ticket refunds before leaving. I would have honored that had they stayed to collect their donations back, but they did NOT remain long enough to get reimbursed.

Molan Labe: Ya'll were my first family in New Eden where I felt at home. While, I will not leave PFBHz, I'm more than willing to provide my services as a class-act tanker for mere pennies on the dollar, as tanks ain't cheap.
If y'all are ever lacking the man power, I'll help if you cover my tanks and then a few hundred thousand for my corp.

Just to set to record straight here. Yes Thunder Nick was kicked. Please keep in mind that I did kick him after listening to him on the sand castle channel. .

Cheeseburger obvs knows when digging a deeper hole is a bad idea. I'm running low on popcorn, anyone got a refill?

Just to set to record straight here. Yes Thunder Nick was kicked. Please keep in mind that I did kick him after listening to him on the sand castle channel.


Thunder Nick was removed 2 days before the draw took place.

Second, your off on Thunder Nick. He left us, sad but true. He was never kicked.


Your intel is terrible dude, and it discredits anything you say further.

I have no regrets over the decision to shut down platoons... they never should have existed. My only regret was not removing Sev Kimura 5 months ago when our directors were reviewing him... 3 directors wanted him to stay, 5 didn't. I personally knew better than to keep him around, but chose to side with my "friends" as directors... turns out they are not as good at judging character as I believed them to be.

Tada!

rofl - way to undercut your CEO Cheeseburger without intending too.

It's not your fault your CEO acts like a Cao Cao when he's actually a Liu Bei.

+1 to everyone who gets the reference.

rofl - way to undercut your CEO Cheeseburger without intending too.

It's not your fault your CEO acts like a Cao Cao when he's actually a Liu Bei.

+1 to everyone who gets the reference.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms :D

And hey now, Liu Bei was a major player.

I'd say he's more of a Zhang Jiao.

Cheeseburger obvs knows when digging a deeper hole is a bad idea. I'm running low on popcorn, anyone got a refill?

Wagers on Cheeseburger being an alt of contra?
same with moon cricket bob.

rofl - way to undercut your CEO Cheeseburger without intending too.

It's not your fault your CEO acts like a Cao Cao when he's actually a Liu Bei.

+1 to everyone who gets the reference.

rofl - way to undercut your CEO Cheeseburger without intending too.

It's not your fault your CEO acts like a Cao Cao when he's actually a Liu Bei.

+1 to everyone who gets the reference.

You sir are awesome! Which was your favorite?

Lu Meng and Zhang Liao as far as officers go. Cao Cao is a brilliant ruler - but if Sun Ce hadn't died like an idiot we may of saw Wu with land in the Central Plains.

So much to love about ROTK :D

Wagers on Cheeseburger being an alt of contra?
same with moon cricket bob.

SunCe wouldn't of been able to battle CaoCao. As strong as SunCe was CaoCao was still extremely strong and had knowledge in the art of war. ZhouYu however was my favorite in the three kingdoms era.

Zhang Jiao is nothing like Liu Bei. Liu Bei was a lucky fool nothing more. He won over his talent with his benevolence and virtue. Liu Bei had no knowledge of strategy and was pretty worthless. If not for The Sleeping Dragon he would of been slaughtered in Jing after CaoCao invaded swiftly after Liu Zhang's death.

This is the more recent series. The older is good as well but this one isn't bad I am on episode 44. I love this stuff. Play all the games read the books and play the games.

"To get to know a friend, you must share an inheritance with him."

rofl - way to undercut your CEO Cheeseburger without intending too.

It's not your fault your CEO acts like a Cao Cao when he's actually a Liu Bei.

+1 to everyone who gets the reference.

No one cares bro..go back to the rookie training grounds till you can beat them regardless...it's pro bro..like **** but..worse.

Oh... My... Gawd...
Why didn't you show me this earlier. This is the guy I followed for 4 months? I am a total idiot. Wow, I am so embarrassed because of all the support I gave this guy. That is the guy I have been supporting? Holy ****! I deserve all the **** people have been giving me.

I apologize to everyone. Check and mate, I lose. I concede. Nothing I can say can justify this. I am grateful for the friends and comrads that I made in PRO, but how do I explain that I defended this man to be a part of a good group of guys. Pelt me with tomatoes and onions, I deserve it. I want to bury my head in the sand forever.