I think they should just delete all the different suits and weapons. Just have one choice. No skills, no options.

Then it'll be fair.

I've been going around a lot with different ideas about making the logibro more balanced.


And without sacrificing high and low slots that we need to live. Or the light weapon slot, the only thing that will be fair is to lower the base hp and speed of the logistics suit. This is what made it unattractive last build. And it would do so again

CALDARI logi is the ONLY one that needs adjusting
stop generalizing and thinking the ENTIRE logi set of suits needs looking into when its only 1
BE SPECIFIC or **** will get nerfed unnecessarily

How many slots would it give the proto caldari logi if it was one less than the assault in both high and low?

CALDARI logi is the ONLY one that needs adjusting
stop generalizing and thinking the ENTIRE logi set of suits needs looking into when its only 1
BE SPECIFIC or **** will get nerfed unnecessarily

Why not just make the Assault suits a little faster with a bit smaller signature radius?

I'd rather bring the other suits up. I'm in the Caldari logi suit and I like the way it plays.

Caldari Logi would be 3 high slots and 2 low slots. It would have 3 equipment slots as well. No sane person without an agenda would have a problem with this.

I hate when tards in unbalanced suits say 'no!!! buff everything else!" like the way it plays? well of course you do. Heavies three builds ago loved the balance of the game too. Because it was in their favor.

Wrong. Especially since the Gallente can do the same thing with armor and speed. Because then we run into the same problem in a year when all the good low modules and armor mods that dont slow you down make it into the game.

Im a logi and I agree that all the slots arent necessary since no one else has equipment slots. One less slot than the assault proto wouldnt bother me.

but given its role and light protection, shouldnt the Logi be the second fastest suit in the game?

but given its role and light protection, shouldnt the Logi be the second fastest suit in the game?

No, because it traded base speed so it could get more slots.

That's what you all fail to see, that all those slots only help it tie with assault suits.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780&p=1
Numbers.

It's the assault suits that need to be tuned, not the logi suits..

But I agree with the less slots part. Now that no one else can stack equip the Logi has its jack-of-all-trades/support role back.

thats just the thing. it should not tie with assault as they have different roles. equip slots are the difference.

Again, they need those slots just to tie with the assault suits. if you want to change the slots, then increase the base stats. That way the only difference will be side arm vs equipment.

And all those slots actually make them more expensive, even though they don't actually make them better.

I don't think they need to tie with assault suits, because then what reason do I have to go assault?

Caldari logi is pefect in its modules.

The only thing needing fixing is the racial bonus. Its +25% on SE is what makes the suit function better than the assualt suits because you are essentially adding extra base health allowing for DMG mod stack with no sacrifice to health when you compare it to assault suits. This makes them incredibly resilient.

Point is a reduction or a change in the caldari logi is the only thing needed. This in addition to making the assualt suits better in base health, movement and/or pg/cpu will be the only balancing needed.

the sidearm point goes out the window because not all logis lack them.

of course youd like to keep your advantage because that what people who use OP classes do, but its not good for the game to have logis as the ultimate warrior.

The logi suits should not have the ability to equip any damage mods the logi's purpose is to keep a supply line of ammo and drop uplinks on the field along with healing , there should be mod that increases the armour repair . To many logi's exploiting the fact they now carry more slots and do not use a logi as intended , instead now they neglect the above and go for pure kills this is not what a logi is about if this is the style of play you require then you should be assault or heavy

Also, speccing into medium level 5 unnecessary too, Dropsuit command level one should they split into Assault or Logi suits but asking the Logi to do both is RIDICULOUS.

Wrong. Especially since the Gallente can do the same thing with armor and speed. Because then we run into the same problem in a year when all the good low modules and armor mods that dont slow you down make it into the game.

Now that the all suits have 1 equip slot the Logis have their niche back. They dont need slots just for the sake of abusing them.

Why does the entire class need to be nerfed?

CALDARI logi is the ONLY one that needs adjusting
stop generalizing and thinking the ENTIRE logi set of suits needs looking into when its only 1
BE SPECIFIC or **** will get nerfed unnecessarily

there's nothing wrong with caldari logi stop trying to Nerf me

i need a large hp buffer because of all the duvolle running gek having damage mod having protosuit running assaults killing me so fast that i can barely help my team

-1 sadly i can't do that.....
Well that guy running gek........ tac AR and only damage mods is a glass cannon who will get killed by a grenade or by the guy who coughs next to him.
YOU !! on the other hand can fit 3 complex shield mods and 2 damage mods. Don't have the CPU/PG to do that ?? well you also have 4 lows to put CPU/PG upgrades into. You can even armor tank yourself slightly if that's the case. YOU can get more stamina than an caldari assault, YOU can be able to sprint faster than a caldari assault and YOU can do more damage without sacrificing you'r entire tank than a caldari assault. Now doesn't that seem broken ?? And mostly because of a little shield extender bonus.
Don't you think all the other logi suits are also facing these guys ?? Do WE get a major HP buff from a passive skill ??
Why doesn't the minmatar logi get a HP buff then ?? he's not meant to help the team and withstand damage ?? And the gallente one is broken because he can fit so many armor plates that......... he's gonna be slower than a heavy. Amarr is a bit of a cross being more slayer orientated but again he doesn't get a HP buff either.
SO I DO ASK WHY

My point of view on logis are that with their lower base EHP than the assault counterpart, we are more forced to buff ourselves with plates / extenders. Being slower than assaults we also have to at higher levels to fit stamina modules to be able to keep up with these. Suddenly free slots are beginning to be spare.

Cutting down some of the base CPU/PG of the logi is definitely going to kick logis in the right direction as we again narrow their fitting options down to now maybe also include CPU upgrades and / or PG upgrades.
Buffing assault bonuses to something assaults can actually use (GODS SAKE GIVE THEM THAT 2% BONUS TO LIGHT WEAPON DAMAGE ) would also even it out a lot more. Suddenly the killing ability of logis is pretty much gone and assaults have definitely gotten that back.

Why does the entire logi class have to be nerfed?

this ??
I really call that a minor nerf. The idea right now is to cut away slots on all logi suits and give them sidearms instead of light weapons. Changing the caldari logi bonus is a must. Nerfing the overall CPU/PG can be redone in another way.

LOGIS: overall bonus make equipment take 5% or 10% less CPU/PG per level. (Then also nerf CPU and PG by like 5%-15% overall to really encourage logistically play and not assault+1 play)
AMARR: 10% bonus to armor repair module and equipment effectiveness per level (again donno what amarrs thing is so please come up with better. Has to be balanced with gall and this doesn't seem it)
MINMATAR: 5% bonus to hacking speed and DISTANCE.
CALDARI: 10% bonus to shield regen per level.
GALLENTE: 1 HP/s passive armor repair.
(Amarr really needs some love so adding 1 more low slot would definitely be good. Maybe removing 1 low on caldari but very optional)

Above are my ideas how to turn logis back into logis. As complex damage mods costs a lot of CPU lowering max CPU of logis would make them less able to stack these. Having a overall bonus to lower equipment CPU/PG will help actual logis in fitting stuff. My biggest fitting issue is definitely those advanced nanohives and reppers. So lowering CPU/PG for those would give the logi back the logi part of them.

You are avoiding the question. Why does the entire class need to be nerfed?

Ughh... stacking damage modules after 3(maybe 4) is stupid. Stacking penalties, did you forget those?

A damage bonus is all assaults need.

replace tanking bonuses with support skill bonuses.

dont support this. you cant limit what people put in their slots. you hurt the customization side of the game when you do that. dont know why its so difficult to understand. Logis are now the only classes with multiple equip slots, this is their niche.

for them to have more or even the same slots as assault makes them a better option and renders the assault useless. no one's nerfing anything. the class is being tuned correctly, if you were running it correctly there's no issue. if not you knew it couldnt last forever.

To stop logis doing a better job at killing than assaults and heavies. <-----
.

The Caldari logi is the only one even remotely close to being equal to an assault. The Minmatar and Gallente suits are wet paper against anything other than a scout and us Amarr Logis still have less HP than any assault.

Sounds like the entire class isn't the problem.

The Caldari logi is the only one even remotely close to being equal to an assault. The Minmatar and Gallente suits are wet paper against anything other than a scout and us Amarr Logis still have less HP than any assault.

Sounds like the entire class isn't the problem.

Amarr logis need a slight buff. Slower than all the other and got fewer modules than all the others. Maybe add another low slot ??

Chiming in as a dedicated logi, from last build to this one.

This tired thread spamming is getting ridiculous. The Caldari Logi needs balance to its bonus. The extra 25% shield HP is stupid and should be a max of maybe 10 or 15%.

I run Gallente and yes you can get 1000 armor HP. I don't know anyone doing that because you would be far slower than a heavy.

I do run at about 700 EHP (mix of shields and armor) and guess what, I still get murdered, not because I can't handle it but because I'm repping and reviving. The best part of it is I can stand in front of the person that I just helped up and tank some of the damage so they can run. I'm at the top of the leaderboards because I'm doing these things, not because I'm concentrating on kills and going 18/0.

There are more of us reviving/repping than you think. The issue is that 1) hardly anyone waits for the needle and 2) there is a consistency glitch with being able to revive people even when they wait. This is a CCP issue, not a Logi issue.

To kitten over the other Logi suits or make us use only sidearms is beyond ridiculous. I'm already slow as hell and even though I love SMGS they are nothing without speed. Get over yourselves as assaults assuming that everyone should just fall over dead when you fart in our general direction.

If you want NOBODY running Logi then go ahead and nerf away. Your expensive suits will go in the trash compactor and I'll run a sniper or something just to send as many of them their as I can.

We all have a ton of money right now, we all won't someday soon after PC runs a month or so, and you'll need us. If we get blown away in our large banana safety cone suits like its nothing no one here will be happy.

Dude... wtf are you even talking about? The only problem here is the caldari logi's racial bonus. Logis aren't better than assaults, they need those slots just to match the assaults base stats. Sidearm or equipment, that's the only real difference aside from movement speed.

what hes talking about is the most valid way to fix the class. Logis are not assaults and shouldnt have the slots assaults do SINCE NO ONE ELSE CAN CARRY MORE THAN ONE EQUIP NOW. logis have their specialty back now.

excessive slots only leave the class open for abuse with damage, armor and shield mods.

its really basic, if they do have the same slots why would anyone in their right mind choose assault over a logi? logi should have one less high and low than the assault of the same class.

what hes talking about is the most valid way to fix the class. Logis are not assaults and shouldnt have the slots assaults do SINCE NO ONE ELSE CAN CARRY MORE THAN ONE EQUIP NOW. logis have their specialty back now.

excessive slots only leave the class open for abuse with damage, armor and shield mods.

its really basic, if they do have the same slots why would anyone in their right mind choose assault over a logi? logi should have one less high and low than the assault of the same class.