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Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 288	Posted - 2013.05.11 12:56:00 - [1] - Quote Does the Logi Suit need some tuning? Many say yes. Before anything else classes must first have the ability to perform the functions they were intended to do. Take the assault for instance: It has solid range, protection, movement and can carry an assortment of equipment. The recon suit has unreal movement and it has shields that make stick and move style tactics possible. The heavy is a slow moving, slow turning tank with high DPS. There are certain traits CCP has hard coded into the game through stats. The recon suit is limited by its low protection and while the Assault is solid in all areas, it is master of none. It is very strong in mid-range engagements but it can't deliver damage like the Heavy in the short area and is neither as protected or as fast as its counterparts. So what are the Logis strengths? It too is balanced but favors more of a support role. While it can certainly kill targets, its protection doesnt allow it the raw front line protection of the Heavy or Assault but it makes up for this by providing ammo, healing and other indirect methods to assist the mercs under its watch. Would we allow the Heavy to dart around the battlefield like a recon? Can a scout lay down suppressing fire with an HMG? Could an assault player soak up damage like a Heavy? No, CCP has taken the steps to allow customization, but within certain limits that stay true to the function of each class. The question presents itself then, if the Logi can use its PG/CPU to be the ultimate DPS or tank with movement, what exactly are the Heavy and Assault suit for? Recently, Chankk Saotome of SYN offered up a post that shocked many and started some necessary balance discussion. read the rest here: http://tinyurl.com/cvfwbyp
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2013.05.11 12:57:00 - [2] - Quote agree with less high and low slots. it really only needs equip and since no other class has more than one its a major advantage.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 174	Posted - 2013.05.11 12:59:00 - [3] - Quote terrible blog is now even more terrible, gj. now rename it into cod514 blog
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:00:00 - [4] - Quote wouldnt mind this. it would still let people choose how they wanted their suit to be setup. we have to do something though.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:08:00 - [5] - Quote How many slots would it give the proto caldari logi if it was one less than the assault in both high and low?
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 203	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:11:00 - [6] - Quote I think they should just delete all the different suits and weapons. Just have one choice. No skills, no options. Then it'll be fair.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 203	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:15:00 - [7] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think they should just delete all the different suits and weapons. Just have one choice. No skills, no options. Then it'll be fair. I wish there was a way the people calling for this could be black balled from receiving armor repair and nanite injector. I'm going to end up quitting the game because of all the whiny bitches. I'll bet some of these dudes crying about the Caldari logi are using a Tac AR and a modded controller. Or are crying for more freedom in KB/M controls so they can dominate.
NewOldMan KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 33	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:16:00 - [8] - Quote I've been going around a lot with different ideas about making the logibro more balanced. And without sacrificing high and low slots that we need to live. Or the light weapon slot, the only thing that will be fair is to lower the base hp and speed of the logistics suit. This is what made it unattractive last build. And it would do so again
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 203	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:31:00 - [9] - Quote Why not just make the Assault suits a little faster with a bit smaller signature radius? I'd rather bring the other suits up. I'm in the Caldari logi suit and I like the way it plays.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3115	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:36:00 - [10] - Quote CALDARI logi is the ONLY one that needs adjusting stop generalizing and thinking the ENTIRE logi set of suits needs looking into when its only 1 BE SPECIFIC or **** will get nerfed unnecessarily

Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3115	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:37:00 - [11] - Quote NewOldMan wrote: I've been going around a lot with different ideas about making the logibro more balanced. And without sacrificing high and low slots that we need to live. Or the light weapon slot, the only thing that will be fair is to lower the base hp and speed of the logistics suit. This is what made it unattractive last build. And it would do so again umm the speed is the same as last build why would u want to make it slower? base HP is also lower than assaults
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 203	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:43:00 - [12] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: CALDARI logi is the ONLY one that needs adjusting stop generalizing and thinking the ENTIRE logi set of suits needs looking into when its only 1 BE SPECIFIC or **** will get nerfed unnecessarily And the scrambler rifle will likely be the balance to the Caldari logi.
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2013.05.11 16:55:00 - [13] - Quote Tolen Rosas wrote: How many slots would it give the proto caldari logi if it was one less than the assault in both high and low? Caldari Logi would be 3 high slots and 2 low slots. It would have 3 equipment slots as well. No sane person without an agenda would have a problem with this.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:00:00 - [14] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: CALDARI logi is the ONLY one that needs adjusting stop generalizing and thinking the ENTIRE logi set of suits needs looking into when its only 1 BE SPECIFIC or **** will get nerfed unnecessarily This https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780&p=1 Logis need all those slots just to tie with assault suits, yes TIE, not be better. the only one who needs to be looked at is the Caldari logis, everyone here needs to stop talking out there ass. You want to nerf their slots? Give them the same base speed and health of an assault suit.
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:02:00 - [15] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Why not just make the Assault suits a little faster with a bit smaller signature radius? I'd rather bring the other suits up. I'm in the Caldari logi suit and I like the way it plays. I hate when tards in unbalanced suits say 'no!!! buff everything else!" like the way it plays? well of course you do. Heavies three builds ago loved the balance of the game too. Because it was in their favor.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:02:00 - [16] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: Tolen Rosas wrote: How many slots would it give the proto caldari logi if it was one less than the assault in both high and low? Caldari Logi would be 3 high slots and 2 low slots. It would have 3 equipment slots as well. No sane person without an agenda would have a problem with this. Only someone with an agenda would propose that. All it needs is the bonus adjusted/changed. Equipment for the side arm is a fair trade.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:04:00 - [17] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Why not just make the Assault suits a little faster with a bit smaller signature radius? I'd rather bring the other suits up. I'm in the Caldari logi suit and I like the way it plays. I hate when tards in unbalanced suits say 'no!!! buff everything else!" like the way it plays? well of course you do. Heavies three builds ago loved the balance of the game too. Because it was in their favor. I hate when tards try to nerf an entire class just because one suit is slighty OP Oooh, that one has 73.5 more HP than the assault suit, nerf the entire class! Dumbass...
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:07:00 - [18] - Quote Wrong. Especially since the Gallente can do the same thing with armor and speed. Because then we run into the same problem in a year when all the good low modules and armor mods that dont slow you down make it into the game. Now that the all suits have 1 equip slot the Logis have their niche back. They dont need slots just for the sake of abusing them.
DustMercsBlog Galactic News Network 69	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:10:00 - [19] - Quote Im a logi and I agree that all the slots arent necessary since no one else has equipment slots. One less slot than the assault proto wouldnt bother me. but given its role and light protection, shouldnt the Logi be the second fastest suit in the game?
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:13:00 - [20] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Wrong. Especially since the Gallente can do the same thing with armor and speed. Because then we run into the same problem in a year when all the good low modules and armor mods that dont slow you down make it into the game. If it goes for more speed, then it still has less health. If it goes for more armor, then it has less speed. If It goes for both then they practically tie. The situation is exactly the same for all suits, except the Amarr logi, who will always have less HP than it's assault counterpart. Look at the actual numbers instead of just pull stuff from your ass. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780&p=1 Numbers show the Caldari needs to get looked at, everything else is perfectly fine.

Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 36	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:15:00 - [21] - Quote The logi suits are balanced. If I want to pick up a guy off the ground I want the 1000hp to survive the attempt. Criticize the suit all you will, it is because players are specing into it to fill an assault role, it fits for logistics just fine. Removing High/Low slots would make us much more vulnerable on the field and as someone who in a bad match can lose over a mil just trying to pick people up to save their 250k isk suit I feel we deserve to have the high/lows to protect our assets.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:15:00 - [22] - Quote DustMercsBlog wrote: Im a logi and I agree that all the slots arent necessary since no one else has equipment slots. One less slot than the assault proto wouldnt bother me. but given its role and light protection, shouldnt the Logi be the second fastest suit in the game? No, because it traded base speed so it could get more slots. That's what you all fail to see, that all those slots only help it tie with assault suits. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780&p=1 Numbers.
Grezkev The Red Guards EoN. 252	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:15:00 - [23] - Quote terriblog
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 211	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:15:00 - [24] - Quote DustMercsBlog wrote: but given its role and light protection, shouldnt the Logi be the second fastest suit in the game? This^. Never really understood how a suit as "squishy" as the Logi that needs to move wouldn't be behind only the Scout in speed. But I agree with the less slots part. Now that no one else can stack equip the Logi has its jack-of-all-trades/support role back. Also, speccing into medium level 5 unnecessary too, Dropsuit command level one should they split into Assault or Logi suits but asking the Logi to do both is RIDICULOUS.
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 262	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:17:00 - [25] - Quote It's the assault suits that need to be tuned, not the logi suits. Give assaults the same VK1 stats as last build and switch the shield extender efficacy skill to the assault bonus rather than the logi bonus. problem solved.
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:18:00 - [26] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: DustMercsBlog wrote: Im a logi and I agree that all the slots arent necessary since no one else has equipment slots. One less slot than the assault proto wouldnt bother me. but given its role and light protection, shouldnt the Logi be the second fastest suit in the game? No, because it traded base speed so it could get more slots. That's what you all fail to see, that all those slots only help it tie with assault suits. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780&p=1 Numbers. thats just the thing. it should not tie with assault as they have different roles. equip slots are the difference.
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:19:00 - [27] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: It's the assault suits that need to be tuned, not the logi suits.. another one. when ur only argument is "dont nerf me, buff everyone else!!!" ur losing. hard.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:19:00 - [28] - Quote Kushmir Nadian wrote: But I agree with the less slots part. Now that no one else can stack equip the Logi has its jack-of-all-trades/support role back. Again, they need those slots just to tie with the assault suits. if you want to change the slots, then increase the base stats. That way the only difference will be side arm vs equipment. And all those slots actually make them more expensive, even though they don't actually make them better.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 315	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:22:00 - [29] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: DustMercsBlog wrote: Im a logi and I agree that all the slots arent necessary since no one else has equipment slots. One less slot than the assault proto wouldnt bother me. but given its role and light protection, shouldnt the Logi be the second fastest suit in the game? No, because it traded base speed so it could get more slots. That's what you all fail to see, that all those slots only help it tie with assault suits. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780&p=1 Numbers. thats just the thing. it should not tie with assault as they have different roles. equip slots are the difference. They are both medium suits, they should in fact tie. Logis and Assaults are both slayers, only difference is assault suits can adapt in the middle of combat(sidearms) while logis are part time babysitters(equipment). Why should they not tie? That's just more assault BS.
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 211	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:24:00 - [30] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Kushmir Nadian wrote: But I agree with the less slots part. Now that no one else can stack equip the Logi has its jack-of-all-trades/support role back. Again, they need those slots just to tie with the assault suits. if you want to change the slots, then increase the base stats. That way the only difference will be side arm vs equipment. And all those slots actually make them more expensive, even though they don't actually make them better. I'm just giving my .02, bro...ultimately its CCP's decision. I don't think they need to tie with assault suits, because then what reason do I have to go assault? "Hold on, I can get everything this assault suit has with three equip slots too? DEAL!" I think the equip slots are the Logi's main advantage...it shouldn't be the combat equal of the Assault. Still, I totally agree that it needs to be faster. How they aren't second in speed always made me scratch my head.



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