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Blamejudg3s KEQ
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
21
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Posted - 2013.05.11 08:49:00 -
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They should not even have the mouse option. Be happy with what you get
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Cinnamon267
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
39
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Posted - 2013.05.11 08:57:00 -
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Still don't get why mouse is even in this game.
Dust as an esport? Heh. |
Delta 749
Maverick Security Consulting
44
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:13:00 -
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Cinnamon267 wrote:Still don't get why mouse is even in this game.
Dust as an esport? Heh.
Because they are trying really really hard to get EVE players in, Ive seen a couple post about how they bought a PS3 just to play this and they are also usually the ones support kb/m control and keeping the frakked up skill system |
Hecarim Van Hohen
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:14:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:I hope somebody infiltrates your crappy corp again. It was quite entertaining to see you guys crying how you lost your isk and got kicked from your own corp You sound a bit bitter, is it past your nap time or do you need a cookie? |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
6
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:17:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:
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1. Speed limit Different suits gives you different speed limit - this is NOT what an fps should behave. This has became a first person MMORPG. With this "mechanism" in place, the game will never be skill based, and the control will NEVER be fixed because of how speed limits works. With speed limits on, you cannot even twitch shoot enemies even within a small angle. Your reaction time is not a useful skill anymore.
Dust is now confirmed to be an RPG and not a shooter. The "first person shooter" experience I am looking for is DEAD.
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I've never properly played an FPS before, so I'm unsure as to what an FPS player would expect, but it seems to me that you are controlling your guy in his dropsuit, regardless of your controller's attributes. If wearing that dropsuit, along with the weight and size of any weapon being held, dictates a maximum speed of movement, why on earth would you exceed that?
Reaction time is still a factor, it always will be no matter what - but so is your skill in controlling your player. I shouldn't be able to point a large gun at you in the blink of an eye. There's inertia and momentum involved, and not those of your mouse.
Perhaps this twitch aiming is the expectation of an FPS, if so, fair enough. |
steadyhand amarr
NW WARLORDS
521
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:23:00 -
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well he was short lived and wont really be missed. im sorry your I WIN buttion was brought into line and now you have to fight on level playing field. but i would rather lose mouse player who is winning simplely due to using a mouse than 20 DS3 players who are frustrated there losing gunfights becuase they cant spin around at lightspeed.
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Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
491
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:32:00 -
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I've been playing FPSs for 20 years, mostly on PC, so keep that in mind when reading my responses below.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:1. Speed limit Different suits gives you different speed limit - this is NOT what an fps should behave. This has became a first person MMORPG. With this "mechanism" in place, the game will never be skill based, and the control will NEVER be fixed because of how speed limits works. With speed limits on, you cannot even twitch shoot enemies even within a small angle. Your reaction time is not a useful skill anymore.
Dust is now confirmed to be an RPG and not a shooter. The "first person shooter" experience I am looking for is DEAD.
About time we get different suits with varying levels of movement options. It has been done before, even on PC games. I'm most familiar with Tribes in its different incarnations, and it works, and is a lot of fun. Asymmetric FPSs are difficult to pull off, but offer much deeper gameplay than those with the same characters only differentiated by weapons.
And your claim that turning rate restrictions mean there's no benefit from player skill are ludicrous, and you know it.
Quote:2. Mouse is too good for FPS, so we nerfed it! :CCP logic: So you basically confirmed the :CCP logic: I predicted earlier. Since I am a mouse user, I can not put up with non-sense like this, especially when the control is speed limited in the first place.
Everyone knows mouse is too good against a controller. CCP has to balance both DS3/4 and KBM, otherwise one or both will be unhappy. Controller user base is orders of magnitude larger than KBM users on PS3/4, so KBM has to cater to their restrictions. Live with it.
I've played console FPSs for only five years, and still prefer a mouse. But I prefer sitting on my couch and playing on my 2m wide screen more.
Balancing will be difficult, as it has never been tried before (I believe a version of UT had both, not sure how they balanced it). I would have preferred to have controller only and have the devs concentrate on more important features of the game. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
392
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:33:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:well he was short lived and wont really be missed. im sorry your I WIN buttion was brought into line and now you have to fight on level playing field. but i would rather lose mouse player who is winning simplely due to using a mouse than 20 DS3 players who are frustrated there losing gunfights becuase they cant spin around at lightspeed.
Not everyone is content to suck and wave the the camera around like stevie wonder trying to hit a target like you controller guys do.
I've seen how you clowns play. Don't pretend you're good at it. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
491
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:36:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:well he was short lived and wont really be missed. im sorry your I WIN buttion was brought into line and now you have to fight on level playing field. but i would rather lose mouse player who is winning simplely due to using a mouse than 20 DS3 players who are frustrated there losing gunfights becuase they cant spin around at lightspeed.
Not everyone is content to suck and wave the the camera around like stevie wonder trying to hit a target like you controller guys do. I've seen how you clowns play. Don't pretend you're good at it.
Not everyone, but the literally tens of millions who play BF and CoD and KZ and Halo on consoles do, and like it. |
Raxsus Lannister
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
15
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:37:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Bye! I assure you, you won't be missed :) Get disbanded again please You still here? I tought you were leaving?
Hecarim shut up. you're better than this |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2923
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:44:00 -
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The nature of the sixaxis controller is such that it's impossible to exceed certain reasonable speed restrictions without significant loss of precision.
The nature of the way a mouse works allows for near-instant turning as well as pinpoint precision.
A skilled mouse user with no turn speed limit will be able to negate the advantage of another player sneaking up on them. No matter how skilled a player with a sixaxis controller is, they can never achieve the same thing.
Speed cap is a necessity for the control schemes to be at least moderately balanced. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
287
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:53:00 -
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Raxsus Lannister wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Bye! I assure you, you won't be missed :) Get disbanded again please You still here? I tought you were leaving? Hecarim shut up. you're better than this
Listen to your friend.. |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
99
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:54:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:CCP Wolfman just posted this in the stickied aiming thread. This confirmed two things. 1. Speed limit is in place, and will not go away. 2. Mouse users are nerfed purely because of "mouse is too good". That's it, I quit. Dust is confirmed dead, good bye.1. Speed limit Different suits gives you different speed limit - this is NOT what an fps should behave. This has became a first person MMORPG. With this "mechanism" in place, the game will never be skill based, and the control will NEVER be fixed because of how speed limits works. With speed limits on, you cannot even twitch shoot enemies even within a small angle. Your reaction time is not a useful skill anymore. Dust is now confirmed to be an RPG and not a shooter. The "first person shooter" experience I am looking for is DEAD. 2. Mouse is too good for FPS, so we nerfed it! :CCP logic: So you basically confirmed the :CCP logic: I predicted earlier. Since I am a mouse user, I can not put up with non-sense like this, especially when the control is speed limited in the first place. Good bye Dust, it was good while it lasted. But you are an RPG, and will not become a proper FPS, let alone "e-sport" or "triple A shooter". I should have guessed. :CCP: This will be the last post you see. Unless CCP magically reverse all the damage they have done, but knowing :CCP: being :CCP:, that is simply impossible. Good bye! PS I would give out my stuff, but CCP hasn't code in a way to transfer ISK or items so I can't. LOLOLOL
Thank god, I was hoping you'd leave soon. You were a tax on the community, and will not be missed. Maybe I'll see a noticeable increase in post quality around here now
To your point though,
Quote:This has became a first person MMORPG.
That is exactly what it is. First Person Shooter (your view is in the first person and you shoot stuff) with MMO and RPG properties. For you to have expected otherwise was completely ridiculous; they have said as much as this on numerous occasions. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
393
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:57:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:well he was short lived and wont really be missed. im sorry your I WIN buttion was brought into line and now you have to fight on level playing field. but i would rather lose mouse player who is winning simplely due to using a mouse than 20 DS3 players who are frustrated there losing gunfights becuase they cant spin around at lightspeed.
Not everyone is content to suck and wave the the camera around like stevie wonder trying to hit a target like you controller guys do. I've seen how you clowns play. Don't pretend you're good at it. Not everyone, but the literally tens of millions who play BF and CoD and KZ and Halo on consoles do, and like it.
The majority of people in this world are stupid. If I believed it was CCP's primary goal to cater to stupid people, I wouldn't be here.
OP seems to believe this is their goal, so he is having a negative reaction. It is to be expected.
I'm still not entirely convinced they will continue along this route, however. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
34
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Posted - 2013.05.11 09:59:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Raxsus Lannister wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Bye! I assure you, you won't be missed :) Get disbanded again please You still here? I tought you were leaving? Hecarim shut up. you're better than this Listen to your friend..
I will and offer you my apologies. |
Soozu
5o1st
83
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Posted - 2013.05.11 10:00:00 -
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I use a playstation controller. On my main I am a ground guy with SP into shotgun. On my secondary an armour tanker with maxed out PG skills. I gave it the old college try and have spent many many hours playing since the 6th but I can't do it anymore. I adapted, but it wasn't worth the effort.
Until all my SP is refunded and turret aim if fixed on my secondary he is pooched. Until range, hit detection, massive terrain glitches and aiming for the controller is fixed, primary is toast and I won't be here.
If these aren't completely fixed before whatever option comes up to get your money back and delete your character, I'll take the money and run.
Remaining 5o1st gets my stuff. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
492
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Posted - 2013.05.11 10:00:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:well he was short lived and wont really be missed. im sorry your I WIN buttion was brought into line and now you have to fight on level playing field. but i would rather lose mouse player who is winning simplely due to using a mouse than 20 DS3 players who are frustrated there losing gunfights becuase they cant spin around at lightspeed.
Not everyone is content to suck and wave the the camera around like stevie wonder trying to hit a target like you controller guys do. I've seen how you clowns play. Don't pretend you're good at it. Not everyone, but the literally tens of millions who play BF and CoD and KZ and Halo on consoles do, and like it. The majority of people in this world are stupid. If I believed it was CCP's primary goal to cater to stupid people, I wouldn't be here. OP seems to believe this is their goal, so he is having a negative reaction. It is to be expected. I'm still not entirely convinced they will continue along this route, however. They like to flirt with disaster, but often change course at the last moment.
It's pretty myopic to look at controller users as a group as stupid.
Controller is here to stay, so you can either adapt or quit. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
39
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Posted - 2013.05.11 10:07:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:He's got valid points, though. Mouse users should not be penalized for using the mouse properly.
DS3 users like to scream out with visceral hatred towards me when i mention this, but the console FPS community is the only competitive gaming community in the entire industry to demand other control methods be banned from play.
The fighting game community does not put up with that kind of whining, nor do racing game communities, flight sim communities, or PC FPS communities.
Just the console FPS community. They stand alone as selfish, ignorant, and incapable of taking responsibility for their own equipment.
And in this case, the responsible folks who truly are competitive are the ones who are suffering for it. Kinda lame. mouse users shudnt exploit turn speed and strafe bugs, but they do. ha ha ha. u got what was coming to u. sh!tty for the ppl who didnt. i used to watch and listen to ppl in the warbarg passing these little tips around, u shud have reported it before everyone abused it. sry utsuru if ur reading this. any mouse user ive talked to said it was op for sniping aswell. the option to use a controller is on the table but that wud mean ud have to play fair
its like the kbm ppl let out a fart and dont want to admit it. sry to quote myself but i think this is why they got the nerf. |
UK-Shots
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
49
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Posted - 2013.05.11 10:16:00 -
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so when can i have your stuff? is there any special way i can get it |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
40
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Posted - 2013.05.11 10:19:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:so when can i have your stuff? is there any special way i can get it
yeah come in this alley blindfolded and suck it from the end of a hose |
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KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire
434
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Posted - 2013.05.11 10:30:00 -
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Smooth Head wrote:TURD 514 just lost 10% of its entire player base. Aren't they in the Richard Head Alliance?
I loved the QQ about this being an RPG when that was what interested me in the first place was FPS/RPG/MMO(tied to EVE). |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
399
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Posted - 2013.05.11 11:08:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Arramakaian Eka wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:well he was short lived and wont really be missed. im sorry your I WIN buttion was brought into line and now you have to fight on level playing field. but i would rather lose mouse player who is winning simplely due to using a mouse than 20 DS3 players who are frustrated there losing gunfights becuase they cant spin around at lightspeed.
Not everyone is content to suck and wave the the camera around like stevie wonder trying to hit a target like you controller guys do. I've seen how you clowns play. Don't pretend you're good at it. Not everyone, but the literally tens of millions who play BF and CoD and KZ and Halo on consoles do, and like it. The majority of people in this world are stupid. If I believed it was CCP's primary goal to cater to stupid people, I wouldn't be here. OP seems to believe this is their goal, so he is having a negative reaction. It is to be expected. I'm still not entirely convinced they will continue along this route, however. They like to flirt with disaster, but often change course at the last moment. It's pretty myopic to look at controller users as a group as stupid. Controller is here to stay, so you can either adapt or quit.
I don't have to do either.
I have this thing called a mouse, and it rapes your controller.
Deal with it? |
Rurouni Kenshin
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.11 11:16:00 -
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I'm a KBM user and status quo is fine with me as long as they don't make it any worse.
I have consistently getting 6 KDR per match with the current settings. Imagine if they remove our "handicap" I'd probably be raping everybody.
I love competition so instead of whining, lets just adapt and BRING IT! |
Heavy Breaks
Ill Omens EoN.
43
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Posted - 2013.05.11 11:29:00 -
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Bye.
The doors in New Eden are heavy you might want to wear butt protection! |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
466
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:18:00 -
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Moving this to the Locker Room. |
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General John Ripper
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
158
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:20:00 -
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bye. You wont be missed. |
Failonius
Quantum Degeneracy
13
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:01:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I don't have to do either.
I have this thing called a mouse, and it rapes your controller.
Deal with it?
Obviously not here. Not anymore.
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Saki Seto
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:29:00 -
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Hey Im new to this game, if you havent given your stuff away please give it to me. I will have more use for it than most here. Thank you. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A.
150
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Posted - 2013.05.13 14:48:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:Hi We made changes to the mouse first because that appeared to have the more significant issue. The updated mouse sensitivity scale is now virtually the same as Chromosome. The only differences are a spike that existed at the end of the scale has been smoothed out and ADS speed is higher. We wanted to get these changes to you quickly so we could gauge the impact they would have before making further updates. The rotation speed limitations that are applied to the different dropsuit classes do present issues for tuning control with the mouse and ensuring DS3 players donGÇÖt find themselves at a very significant disadvantage. The maximum settings for pitch and yaw are one of the areas we are currently looking at making further changes to. We are continuing to work with and test different settings for both DS3 and mouse and we will make further updates once we have tested them. The feedback we have received has been very useful but also very varied, in some cases conflicting and in others confusing. We have been unable to replicate some of the issues (such as Move settings having an impact on the mouse which just shouldnGÇÖt be possible). Because of this we are also investigating the possibility that changes/problems outside of the control system itself are effecting the experience. More on that if we find anything. One last thing, whether youGÇÖre providing constructive feedback or screaming in pure hatred please mention what control method youGÇÖre using. We really need to know that CCP Wolfman CCP Wolfman just posted this in the stickied aiming thread. This confirmed two things. 1. Speed limit is in place, and will not go away. 2. Mouse users are nerfed purely because of "mouse is too good". That's it, I quit.
Dust is confirmed dead, good bye.1. Speed limit Different suits gives you different speed limit - this is NOT what an fps should behave. This has became a first person MMORPG. With this "mechanism" in place, the game will never be skill based, and the control will NEVER be fixed because of how speed limits works. With speed limits on, you cannot even twitch shoot enemies even within a small angle. Your reaction time is not a useful skill anymore. Dust is now confirmed to be an RPG and not a shooter. The "first person shooter" experience I am looking for is DEAD. 2. Mouse is too good for FPS, so we nerfed it! :CCP logic: So you basically confirmed the :CCP logic: I predicted earlier. Since I am a mouse user, I can not put up with non-sense like this, especially when the control is speed limited in the first place. Good bye Dust, it was good while it lasted. But you are an RPG, and will not become a proper FPS, let alone "e-sport" or "triple A shooter". I should have guessed. :CCP: This will be the last post you see. Unless CCP magically reverse all the damage they have done, but knowing :CCP: being :CCP:, that is simply impossible. Good bye! PS I would give out my stuff, but CCP hasn't code in a way to transfer ISK or items so I can't. LOLOLOL You'll be back. |
PlanetsideTwo F2P2013PS4
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.15 23:12:00 -
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Planetside 2 day/night infantry battle
Coming to ps4 this year |
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