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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:07:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Alina Heart wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Player using controller complains about CCP giving KBM much needed attention. Forgets that his toy comes with auto-aim, intended for the instant gratification-generation.
Hilarity ensues. You have no idea what your talking about, do you? I know that KBM is getting slowly getting there. Implemented terribly since closed beta, it is only slightly less worse now Slowly getting where? It still has it's problems but all in all I think all control schemes have improved with the latest build. And KB/M has auto-aim as well. Plugging in a KB/M doesn't turn it off, but I believe that is the stem of the problem controller people are having with aiming. The auto aim is now wonky, not the actual aiming interface.
That's disappointing news to me. You have to understand that I, as a EVE player, have pretty much written Dust off for being this curious experiment on a six year old console that to me remains a better idea on paper than on a outdated console and the already outdated PS4.
I pretty much dusted (pun intended) my PS3 off to see what the Uprising update was about since closed beta and updates since just made it impossible to be excited for this crap. Having said that, I am going to continue to follow Dust since my game of ten years is tied to your console peashooter. |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:09:00 -
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TheMarkOf22 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Player using controller complains about CCP giving KBM much needed attention. Forgets that his toy comes with auto-aim, intended for the instant gratification-generation.
Hilarity ensues. I'm better then 99% on the ds3 and the results would be the same if I used a mouse.
Of course, if the 1% keeps being better than you, even if you were to use a mouse, then you must be just as terrible as the other 98% (me included) is at this game. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:30:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Player using controller complains about CCP giving KBM much needed attention. Forgets that his toy comes with auto-aim, intended for the instant gratification-generation.
Hilarity ensues. SO you're saying the game doesn't have aim assist on the mouse? And there's nobody who'd prefer aim assist off in DUST for their sixaxis?
Pro-tip: Wrong on both counts.
Mouse aim is screwed because of acceleration. Sixaxis control is screwed because of acceleration and a lack of scaling. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:41:00 -
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I wish these devs would just give us DS3 users settings other than sensitivity. Needs to be deadzone settings, acceleration settings, and anything else that changes how the controls operate/feel.
Let the players create our own specific control feel with advanced settings, which would also be awesome for the community with some players doing in-depth theory crafting as well.
The kb/m advantage is ridiculous against DS3 users, even when the mouse was supposedly broken, I saw well known kb/m users still dominate with ease. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:43:00 -
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Quote:CCP catering TOO much to mouse and keyboard controls
I think CCP is catering almost enough to mouse users and not catering enough to DS3 users.
A subtle difference but i think a distinct difference.
CCP should not nerf mouse users anymore then they should nerf DS3 users....with the last update it felt very much like they were nerfing mouse users for some sort of arbitrary balancing....i guess we will see with the new hot patch.
CCP should make good controls that work and allow players to accel at game play...it should not matter which controller they use.
But yeah they need to double their efforts to make the DS3 work well. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.10 21:49:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote: ADS rotation setting would be ideal, and increasing non-ADS speed option by tripling the highest turn speed setting, when compared to COD these setting are laughable.
Anyone give two squirts of **** about CoD controller settings? I know I don't. Last I heard, the name of this game was Dust5-1-4
CoD control settings are not broken and therefore better then Dust 514.
So yeah, I care.
CCP has admitted that their control settings are broken...so they seem to care as well. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:10:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote: ADS rotation setting would be ideal, and increasing non-ADS speed option by tripling the highest turn speed setting, when compared to COD these setting are laughable.
Anyone give two squirts of **** about CoD controller settings? I know I don't. Last I heard, the name of this game was Dust5-1-4 CoD control settings are not broken and therefore better then Dust 514. So yeah, I care. CCP has admitted that their control settings are broken...so they seem to care as well.
Yeah, well, that doesn't mean that they should copy-paste CoD controller settings. They can develop their own that aren't broken (with maybe some input from other games) though they shouldn't just make the game more like CoD than it already is just because CoD has "the most fluid controller settings in video game history" in the opinion of an alt of banned forum user. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.10 22:24:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:hooc order wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote: ADS rotation setting would be ideal, and increasing non-ADS speed option by tripling the highest turn speed setting, when compared to COD these setting are laughable.
Anyone give two squirts of **** about CoD controller settings? I know I don't. Last I heard, the name of this game was Dust5-1-4 CoD control settings are not broken and therefore better then Dust 514. So yeah, I care. CCP has admitted that their control settings are broken...so they seem to care as well. Yeah, well, that doesn't mean that they should copy-paste CoD controller settings. They can develop their own that aren't broken (with maybe some input from other games) though they shouldn't just make the game more like CoD than it already is just because CoD has "the most fluid controller settings in video game history" in the opinion of an alt of banned forum user.
CoD is the top selling FPS of all time in the history of video games. It is a solid game with solid controls and solid game play and lots of popular game modes and features. Dust right now (i have not played Dust with the new hot patch) is a broken pile of crap with none of the above mentioned things CoD has.
Perhaps CCP should start making their game more like CoD at least its game play rather then listening to EvE fanboys like you.
I also suggest you and other like you stop ripping on CoD and using the term as some sort of short hand for pointing out 'bad' games.
The fact is Dust really really really sucks right now and CCP has a horrible track record as an FPS game maker. As CCP/EvE fan boy you have no place to be talking smack about any FPS let along the most successful one ever made. |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:04:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:hooc order wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote: ADS rotation setting would be ideal, and increasing non-ADS speed option by tripling the highest turn speed setting, when compared to COD these setting are laughable.
Anyone give two squirts of **** about CoD controller settings? I know I don't. Last I heard, the name of this game was Dust5-1-4 CoD control settings are not broken and therefore better then Dust 514. So yeah, I care. CCP has admitted that their control settings are broken...so they seem to care as well. Yeah, well, that doesn't mean that they should copy-paste CoD controller settings. They can develop their own that aren't broken (with maybe some input from other games) though they shouldn't just make the game more like CoD than it already is just because CoD has "the most fluid controller settings in video game history" in the opinion of an alt of banned forum user. CoD is the top selling FPS of all time in the history of video games. It is a solid game with solid controls and solid game play and lots of popular game modes and features. Dust right now (i have not played Dust with the new hot patch) is a broken pile of crap with none of the above mentioned things CoD has. Perhaps CCP should start making their game more like CoD at least its game play rather then listening to EvE fanboys like you. I also suggest you and other like you stop ripping on CoD and using the term as some sort of short hand for pointing out 'bad' games. The fact is Dust really really really sucks right now and CCP has a horrible track record as an FPS game maker. As CCP/EvE fan boy you have no place to be talking smack about any FPS let along the most successful one ever made.
Hi, you must be new to MMOs. Let me introduce you to the core concept of MMOs then; a MMO generally is more dynamic and more evolving than the traditional genres of RPGs and FPS thus trying things that may work or not is the very DNA of MMOs.
Dust today is nowhere as polished as Call of Duty or Battlefield. But unlike Call of Duty or Battlefield, Dust brings more to the table by trying new things whereas the best selling Call of Duty hasn't ventured beyond the template since it is the established cash cow that Activision has been milking for a number of years as its audience continue to throw money at a franchise that doesn't bring anything new to the table and never will bring anything new to the table.
As much as I have a certain disdain for Dust being a console game, these passionate Dust players are a lot more relevant to me as a EVE fanboy than a clown with downs playing CoD ever would be. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:20:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:hooc order wrote:
CoD is the top selling FPS of all time in the history of video games. It is a solid game with solid controls and solid game play and lots of popular game modes and features. Dust right now (i have not played Dust with the new hot patch) is a broken pile of crap with none of the above mentioned things CoD has.
Perhaps CCP should start making their game more like CoD at least its game play rather then listening to EvE fanboys like you.
I also suggest you and other like you stop ripping on CoD and using the term as some sort of short hand for pointing out 'bad' games.
The fact is Dust really really really sucks right now and CCP has a horrible track record as an FPS game maker. As CCP/EvE fan boy you have no place to be talking smack about any FPS let along the most successful one ever made.
Hi, you must be new to MMOs. Let me introduce you to the core concept of MMOs then; a MMO generally is more dynamic and more evolving than the traditional genres of RPGs and FPS thus trying things that may work or not is the very DNA of MMOs. Dust today is nowhere as polished as Call of Duty or Battlefield. But unlike Call of Duty or Battlefield, Dust brings more to the table by trying new things whereas the best selling Call of Duty hasn't ventured beyond the template since it is the established cash cow that Activision has been milking for a number of years as its audience continue to throw money at a franchise that doesn't bring anything new to the table and never will bring anything new to the table. As much as I have a certain disdain for Dust being a console game, these passionate Dust players are a lot more relevant to me as a EVE fanboy than a clown with downs playing CoD ever would be.
@hooc order CoD is little more than an annual object which presents reskinned items including very little innovation which is eaten up by hyperactive fools with more money than sense. This is ALL it is now and ALL it ever will be. I hope with my all that Dust NEVER turns out to be anything like that annual object. Also, you can call me a fanboy all you want, this will not change the fact that I have myself railed against CCP for decisions they have made that I felt were mistake. If either of us is a fanboy, I'd wager that it would be you white knighting for CoD as you have.
@Nyctohylophobia I sincerely hope that Dust remains a fringe, niche FPS rather than an annual object that is viewed as little more than a cash cow. This is not to say that I don't want CCP to make money with it, I just don't want the money to be their #1 focus, the community should be their #1 focus. |
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XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:21:00 -
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TheMarkOf22 wrote:From what I hear and see you can customize controls on mouse, set faster turn speeds and even move faster in some cases (not sure if it's patched)
Now on the controller, I play on 100/100 and my ADS speed is FAR too slow, I can't even track moving targets, it's even slower then last build.
You need to fix the controller's turn speed, and ADS speed.
ADS rotation setting would be ideal, and increasing non-ADS speed option by tripling the highest turn speed setting, when compared to COD these setting are laughable.
Also, holding R2 and L3 to set squad order needs to be removed, make a Universal objective that can be set by hitting circle.
And giving suits with no side arms, no quick swap option is a HUGE problem.
I support this thread |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:27:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:@hooc order CoD is little more than an annual object which presents reskinned items including very little innovation which is eaten up by hyperactive fools with more money than sense. This is ALL it is now and ALL it ever will be. I hope with my all that Dust NEVER turns out to be anything like that annual object. Also, you can call me a fanboy all you want, this will not change the fact that I have myself railed against CCP for decisions they have made that I felt were mistake. If either of us is a fanboy, I'd wager that it would be you white knighting for CoD as you have. I think you're sort of missing the point as to how he's comparing Dust to COD. He's not saying Dust should be a mindless shooter with nothing to do besides shoot people in the face.
Whether you like COD or not, the fact is that no other game does the core shooter mechanics (for a console FPS) better than COD (maybe Halo). In terms of aiming, moving, shooting, reloading, switching weapons, using equipment, and overall polish, Dust is mediocre at best. That's simply not good enough. This has nothing to do with Dust being a niche shooter, it's about a game that needs to play well at the most fundamental levels, which it hasn't and still continues not to.
The biggest thing that separates Dust from other shooters is PC and it's connection to EVE. The problem is that it'll mean nothing if the game doesn't actually play better. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:06:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:
Hi, you must be new to MMOs. Let me introduce you to the core concept of MMOs then; a MMO generally is more dynamic and more evolving than the traditional genres of RPGs and FPS thus trying things that may work or not is the very DNA of MMOs.
Dust today is nowhere as polished as Call of Duty or Battlefield. But unlike Call of Duty or Battlefield, Dust brings more to the table by trying new things whereas the best selling Call of Duty hasn't ventured beyond the template since it is the established cash cow that Activision has been milking for a number of years as its audience continue to throw money at a franchise that doesn't bring anything new to the table and never will bring anything new to the table.
As much as I have a certain disdain for Dust being a console game, these passionate Dust players are a lot more relevant to me as a EVE fanboy than a clown with downs playing CoD ever would be.
What things? All i see is a lobby FPS. You forget i have actually played the game Dust 514 not just read the list of promises CCP has given us.
But OK lets look at the MMO elements of Dust.
here is the list:
Chat, and voice chat.
That is it!!! I cannot explore, i cannot effect the universe, i cannot go on an adventure, i can't even choose where i fight my battles. I can barely choose who i fight my battle s with and against.
I can't trade, i cannot go out of my cell and have a beer at my local station PUB. All i see is an FPS with a built in Teamspeak.
There is no MMO here.
Also it is not hard to find an MMO without broken controls. guild wars, WoW, Rift, and on and on and on.
The only thing that CCP has given us is a lobby FPS with crap controls and crap nerfs and a skill/level system that is cut and pasted from EvE and iterations of the same sort of system can be found in any single player RPG on the market today....a Sp/level system by the way that is a horrible fit for a lobby FPS as it buffs old players beyond anything a new player can compete against in the actual game CCP has given us which is a broken lobby FPS.
Don't bother responding..."CCP has promises SOON^Tm" is not even close to what an MMO is.
So to reiterate. the actual game Dust 514 is not an MMO
The actual game is lobby FPS with built in teamspeak.
The actual game is broken on several different levels.
The actual game is easily compared to any other lobby FPS like CoD.
the actual game is crap compared to any other lobby FPS and if it was even 50% as good as CoD it would not have 5000 players it would have 50000 players cuz every FPS player who owns a PS3 has heard of it and found it to be crap.
Open your eyes fan boy. CCP does not need to be defended with lame excuses about "its an MMO", "it is different" "SOON^TM". It needs to be told to get its crap into gear and FIX IT NOW. Not SOON^TM. NOW^TM |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:10:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:@hooc order CoD is little more than an annual object which presents reskinned items including very little innovation which is eaten up by hyperactive fools with more money than sense. This is ALL it is now and ALL it ever will be. I hope with my all that Dust NEVER turns out to be anything like that annual object. Also, you can call me a fanboy all you want, this will not change the fact that I have myself railed against CCP for decisions they have made that I felt were mistake. If either of us is a fanboy, I'd wager that it would be you white knighting for CoD as you have. I think you're sort of missing the point as to how he's comparing Dust to COD. He's not saying Dust should be a mindless shooter with nothing to do besides shoot people in the face. Whether you like COD or not, the fact is that no other game does the core shooter mechanics (for a console FPS) better than COD (maybe Halo). In terms of aiming, moving, shooting, reloading, switching weapons, using equipment, and overall polish, Dust is mediocre at best. That's simply not good enough. This has nothing to do with Dust being a niche shooter, it's about a game that needs to play well at the most fundamental levels, which it hasn't and still continues not to. The biggest thing that separates Dust from other shooters is PC and it's connection to EVE. The problem is that it'll mean nothing if the game doesn't actually play better.
To be honest i prefer BF3 shooter mechanics over CoD...but that is a taste thing. None really better just preference.
Dust shooter mechanics are broken...i am not sure "broken" can have a flavor. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:07:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:@hooc order CoD is little more than an annual object which presents reskinned items including very little innovation which is eaten up by hyperactive fools with more money than sense. This is ALL it is now and ALL it ever will be. I hope with my all that Dust NEVER turns out to be anything like that annual object. Also, you can call me a fanboy all you want, this will not change the fact that I have myself railed against CCP for decisions they have made that I felt were mistake. If either of us is a fanboy, I'd wager that it would be you white knighting for CoD as you have. I think you're sort of missing the point as to how he's comparing Dust to COD. He's not saying Dust should be a mindless shooter with nothing to do besides shoot people in the face. Whether you like COD or not, the fact is that no other game does the core shooter mechanics (for a console FPS) better than COD (maybe Halo). In terms of aiming, moving, shooting, reloading, switching weapons, using equipment, and overall polish, Dust is mediocre at best. That's simply not good enough. This has nothing to do with Dust being a niche shooter, it's about a game that needs to play well at the most fundamental levels, which it hasn't and still continues not to. The biggest thing that separates Dust from other shooters is PC and it's connection to EVE. The problem is that it'll mean nothing if the game doesn't actually play better. To be honest i prefer BF3 shooter mechanics over CoD...but that is a taste thing. None really better just preference. Dust shooter mechanics are broken...i am not sure "broken" can have a flavor.
It does, and it's bitter.
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Schalac 17
Murderz for hire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:35:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Alina Heart wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Player using controller complains about CCP giving KBM much needed attention. Forgets that his toy comes with auto-aim, intended for the instant gratification-generation.
Hilarity ensues. You have no idea what your talking about, do you? I know that KBM is getting slowly getting there. Implemented terribly since closed beta, it is only slightly less worse now Slowly getting where? It still has it's problems but all in all I think all control schemes have improved with the latest build. And KB/M has auto-aim as well. Plugging in a KB/M doesn't turn it off, but I believe that is the stem of the problem controller people are having with aiming. The auto aim is now wonky, not the actual aiming interface. That's disappointing news to me. You have to understand that I, as a EVE player, have pretty much written Dust off for being this curious experiment on a six year old console that to me remains a better idea on paper than on a outdated console and the already outdated PS4. I pretty much dusted (pun intended) my PS3 off to see what the Uprising update was about since closed beta and updates since just made it impossible to be excited for this crap. Having said that, I am going to continue to follow Dust since my game of ten years is tied to your console peashooter. Ok, so while you are stoking your neckbeard in the basement realize this. I am a huge FPS fan and have also played EVE for a very long time and see DUST as a great enhancement to the EVE universe. I have never written off DUST because I feel that if implemented properly DUST could add so much more to the EVE universe it is unparalleled in the gaming market today. What CCP wishes to accomplish with DUST I 200% support.
It is not a peashooter as you have named it. We will be coming for your capital ships. It is also not a better idea on paper, it is an idea that needs to be expanded on and implemented fully in EVE with people in EVE breaking your lines to deploy mercs onto your planets via blockade runners and deployable drop ships. DUST is a vision of invasion unprecedented in sci-fi shooters today. It is a reason to play round after round of FPS greatness. It is a vision of domination. What CCP wishes to do with DUST, I only hope they accomplish it, because if they do it will be the greatest thing ever to come to the FPS market. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.11 03:24:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:. It is a vision of domination. What CCP wishes to do with DUST, I only hope they accomplish it, because if they do it will be the greatest thing ever to come to the FPS market.
Cool...how about we talk about the state of Dust that it is today...which sucks...and which this tread is about.
Specifically lets talk about how the DS3 controls suck today, instead of vigorously stroking CCPs hypothetical vision for 5 years from now. |
Infekti0n
One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative
26
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Posted - 2013.05.11 03:45:00 -
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I am a KB/M user myself, but if it helps to improve the DS3 aim, i dont really mind. +1 |
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