DUST Search - CCP catering TOO much to mouse and keyboard controls

Sete Clifton wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

@hooc order
CoD is little more than an annual object which presents reskinned items including very little innovation which is eaten up by hyperactive fools with more money than sense. This is ALL it is now and ALL it ever will be. I hope with my all that Dust NEVER turns out to be anything like that annual object. Also, you can call me a fanboy all you want, this will not change the fact that I have myself railed against CCP for decisions they have made that I felt were mistake. If either of us is a fanboy, I'd wager that it would be you white knighting for CoD as you have.

I think you're sort of missing the point as to how he's comparing Dust to COD. He's not saying Dust should be a mindless shooter with nothing to do besides shoot people in the face.

Whether you like COD or not, the fact is that no other game does the core shooter mechanics (for a console FPS) better than COD (maybe Halo). In terms of aiming, moving, shooting, reloading, switching weapons, using equipment, and overall polish, Dust is mediocre at best. That's simply not good enough. This has nothing to do with Dust being a niche shooter, it's about a game that needs to play well at the most fundamental levels, which it hasn't and still continues not to.

The biggest thing that separates Dust from other shooters is PC and it's connection to EVE. The problem is that it'll mean nothing if the game doesn't actually play better.


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hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 47	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:43:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: CCP catering TOO much to mouse and keyboard controls I think CCP is catering almost enough to mouse users and not catering enough to DS3 users. A subtle difference but i think a distinct difference. CCP should not nerf mouse users anymore then they should nerf DS3 users....with the last update it felt very much like they were nerfing mouse users for some sort of arbitrary balancing....i guess we will see with the new hot patch. CCP should make good controls that work and allow players to accel at game play...it should not matter which controller they use. But yeah they need to double their efforts to make the DS3 work well.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 47	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:49:00 - [2] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: ADS rotation setting would be ideal, and increasing non-ADS speed option by tripling the highest turn speed setting, when compared to COD these setting are laughable. Anyone give two squirts of **** about CoD controller settings? I know I don't. Last I heard, the name of this game was Dust5-1-4 CoD control settings are not broken and therefore better then Dust 514. So yeah, I care. CCP has admitted that their control settings are broken...so they seem to care as well.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 47	Posted - 2013.05.10 22:24:00 - [3] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: hooc order wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: TheMarkOf22 wrote: ADS rotation setting would be ideal, and increasing non-ADS speed option by tripling the highest turn speed setting, when compared to COD these setting are laughable. Anyone give two squirts of **** about CoD controller settings? I know I don't. Last I heard, the name of this game was Dust5-1-4 CoD control settings are not broken and therefore better then Dust 514. So yeah, I care. CCP has admitted that their control settings are broken...so they seem to care as well. Yeah, well, that doesn't mean that they should copy-paste CoD controller settings. They can develop their own that aren't broken (with maybe some input from other games) though they shouldn't just make the game more like CoD than it already is just because CoD has "the most fluid controller settings in video game history" in the opinion of an alt of banned forum user. CoD is the top selling FPS of all time in the history of video games. It is a solid game with solid controls and solid game play and lots of popular game modes and features. Dust right now (i have not played Dust with the new hot patch) is a broken pile of crap with none of the above mentioned things CoD has. Perhaps CCP should start making their game more like CoD at least its game play rather then listening to EvE fanboys like you. I also suggest you and other like you stop ripping on CoD and using the term as some sort of short hand for pointing out 'bad' games. The fact is Dust really really really sucks right now and CCP has a horrible track record as an FPS game maker. As CCP/EvE fan boy you have no place to be talking smack about any FPS let along the most successful one ever made.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 47	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:06:00 - [4] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Hi, you must be new to MMOs. Let me introduce you to the core concept of MMOs then; a MMO generally is more dynamic and more evolving than the traditional genres of RPGs and FPS thus trying things that may work or not is the very DNA of MMOs. Dust today is nowhere as polished as Call of Duty or Battlefield. But unlike Call of Duty or Battlefield, Dust brings more to the table by trying new things whereas the best selling Call of Duty hasn't ventured beyond the template since it is the established cash cow that Activision has been milking for a number of years as its audience continue to throw money at a franchise that doesn't bring anything new to the table and never will bring anything new to the table. As much as I have a certain disdain for Dust being a console game, these passionate Dust players are a lot more relevant to me as a EVE fanboy than a clown with downs playing CoD ever would be. What things? All i see is a lobby FPS. You forget i have actually played the game Dust 514 not just read the list of promises CCP has given us. But OK lets look at the MMO elements of Dust. here is the list: Chat, and voice chat. That is it!!! I cannot explore, i cannot effect the universe, i cannot go on an adventure, i can't even choose where i fight my battles. I can barely choose who i fight my battle s with and against. I can't trade, i cannot go out of my cell and have a beer at my local station PUB. All i see is an FPS with a built in Teamspeak. There is no MMO here. Also it is not hard to find an MMO without broken controls. guild wars, WoW, Rift, and on and on and on. The only thing that CCP has given us is a lobby FPS with crap controls and crap nerfs and a skill/level system that is cut and pasted from EvE and iterations of the same sort of system can be found in any single player RPG on the market today....a Sp/level system by the way that is a horrible fit for a lobby FPS as it buffs old players beyond anything a new player can compete against in the actual game CCP has given us which is a broken lobby FPS. Don't bother responding..."CCP has promises SOON^Tm" is not even close to what an MMO is. So to reiterate. the actual game Dust 514 is not an MMO The actual game is lobby FPS with built in teamspeak. The actual game is broken on several different levels. The actual game is easily compared to any other lobby FPS like CoD. the actual game is crap compared to any other lobby FPS and if it was even 50% as good as CoD it would not have 5000 players it would have 50000 players cuz every FPS player who owns a PS3 has heard of it and found it to be crap. Open your eyes fan boy. CCP does not need to be defended with lame excuses about "its an MMO", "it is different" "SOON^TM". It needs to be told to get its crap into gear and FIX IT NOW. Not SOON^TM. NOW^TM
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 47	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:10:00 - [5] - Quote Sete Clifton wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: @hooc order CoD is little more than an annual object which presents reskinned items including very little innovation which is eaten up by hyperactive fools with more money than sense. This is ALL it is now and ALL it ever will be. I hope with my all that Dust NEVER turns out to be anything like that annual object. Also, you can call me a fanboy all you want, this will not change the fact that I have myself railed against CCP for decisions they have made that I felt were mistake. If either of us is a fanboy, I'd wager that it would be you white knighting for CoD as you have. I think you're sort of missing the point as to how he's comparing Dust to COD. He's not saying Dust should be a mindless shooter with nothing to do besides shoot people in the face. Whether you like COD or not, the fact is that no other game does the core shooter mechanics (for a console FPS) better than COD (maybe Halo). In terms of aiming, moving, shooting, reloading, switching weapons, using equipment, and overall polish, Dust is mediocre at best. That's simply not good enough. This has nothing to do with Dust being a niche shooter, it's about a game that needs to play well at the most fundamental levels, which it hasn't and still continues not to. The biggest thing that separates Dust from other shooters is PC and it's connection to EVE. The problem is that it'll mean nothing if the game doesn't actually play better. To be honest i prefer BF3 shooter mechanics over CoD...but that is a taste thing. None really better just preference. Dust shooter mechanics are broken...i am not sure "broken" can have a flavor.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 48	Posted - 2013.05.11 03:24:00 - [6] - Quote Schalac 17 wrote: . It is a vision of domination. What CCP wishes to do with DUST, I only hope they accomplish it, because if they do it will be the greatest thing ever to come to the FPS market. Cool...how about we talk about the state of Dust that it is today...which sucks...and which this tread is about. Specifically lets talk about how the DS3 controls suck today, instead of vigorously stroking CCPs hypothetical vision for 5 years from now.