Its pretty much a scrambler pistol with 30 bullets.

The tac is a sweet spot gun. To far and you might just miss the target , too close and the full auto variants can give you a headache.

Well, I have been waiting till the 14th to pick a direction. I wanted to see what develops and what changes are made. My question to the communitee is this, Are you content with the tac assault rifles beeing the go to weapon, with an invisible boundrie which encourages blob war fare because of the new range mechanics?

Its great with a good trigger finger but it will be nerfed ...I've heard a lot of complainers with it

It's great with a modded controller too

It's great with a modded controller too

I wouldn't know so ill take your word for it

Which are against the EULA and a perma ban offense. Don't use em unless your willing to risk loosing your character and all its SP.

the same way CCP catches botters, you can detect input speeds and consistency. The system can detect if you are spamming at unrealistic rates and at perfect intervals. Its all algorithms and easy to detect.

I understand the complaints, god knows 98% of my deaths have been due to duvolle tacs within the past few days. But I have to say, I have been in some of the best firefights I've ever seen since I started playing dust after the tac adjustment. Squads forming firelines, teams fighting from cover, trading fire, then retreat for reload and regen. Flanking maneuvers have been in the spotlight leading to some awesome tactical plays. It isn't every match or every group, but I am definitely seeing more and more gameplay gems now that it's the go to rifle.

I'm not disagreeing with you in any point you brought up, but my observation remains the same. Call it an unintentional side effect or whatever you need to, but those moments have made dust actually fun, and the potential of its future as a tactical shooter shine in those firefights, more so than any other match I've seen. Even corporate.

I wouldn't know so ill take your word for it

Well, I have been waiting till the 14th to pick a direction. I wanted to see what develops and what changes are made. My question to the communitee is this, Are you content with the tac assault rifles beeing the go to weapon, with an invisible boundrie which encourages blob war fare because of the new range mechanics?

I keep seeing the phrase "go to weapon."

What are people insinuating when they say this?

Well, I have been waiting till the 14th to pick a direction. I wanted to see what develops and what changes are made. My question to the communitee is this, Are you content with the tac assault rifles beeing the go to weapon, with an invisible boundrie which encourages blob war fare because of the new range mechanics?

that it's the current OP weapon
just play against the imps and see what all they are using. right now it's the TAC ar again

Oh I have. They're all Tac Rifles and Fused Locus grenades. S.S.D.D

I just wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page as far as defining "go to weapon"

Because I think Buster Friendly basically laid out what "OP" means in the context of Dust and the TAC rifles are fitting it.

Here's personally what I'd like to see happen to the TAR:

-Increase damage. Somewhere around 80 or 90?
-Reduce rate of fire. Thinking around 120 to 150.
-Add bloom effect (more dispersion as RoF increases). So beyond 120 rof, dispersion increases.
-Slight reduction in recoil.

What's the RoF for it now??

When BO came out, last CoD i'll ever play, they had a cap on Semi Auto guns, and when you past the cap your gun would jam...sort of speak.

id be fine if the tack did same dmg as a breach or at least similar but 2.5 times a full auto ar is stupid as it fires the same god dam rounds

granted it does require some skill but in cq mowing a full squad of 6 solo is stupid when ur milita fit with tac againts proto

What's the RoF for it now??

I can't find the topic in feedback, but the OP made a very valid point that the TAR should be taken from the Plasma Rifle class and put into the Caldari Rail Rifle line, tweak the shield/armor damage ration and rename it the Gauss Rifle. I'd probably tweak the ROF on it though, but it's kind of good as is if you make that big change.

Or nerf it a little until the gauss rifle is completed.

I've never been quiet on my dislike of the Tac AR, but it fills a niche that many people love - the marksman. It's no sniper rifle, but it's able to take out reds at a great distance. The problem with the Tac AR is that it is still freaking amazing at CQC, and any failings that it might have are easily covered by making another fit with the same tier of the AR as it is governed by the exact same skill.

There is no trade off to skilling up the AR. You'll have a guaranteed great weapon at all ranges for the price of one skill. No other weapon is able to do that, and makes choices in what you want to do that much more limited.

This problem is then compounded by the Gallente Assault suit, which lets you fit high tier weapons without sacrificing any tank or damage output. This suit also is an armor tanker which is strong against lasers, the only weapon that can compete with the Tac AR for dealing damage at that range.

This puts all those small little advantages in the hands of the Tac AR, coming together to form the new OP (I hate that term too. please keep reading) weapon.

There does need to be a weapon to fill that role, It just shouldn't be in that skill tree.

My recommended course of action would be just to take the Tac AR out of the game. No nerfs to the point of being unplayable, just freaking nuke it and replace it with a new sniper rifle variant with a 25 round magazine and a decent rate of fire while extending the range slightly on the Gallente AR, ideally it's optimal should end where the LR starts. (possibly meaning bringing the LR's optimal in a little bit. but that's another thread)

This would accomplish a few things, namely it would give sniper rifle users the role of the designated marksman again. I can count on one hand how many times I've been shot by a sniper, let alone killed this build. Throw them a bone FFS. Less weapon diversity is the last thing this game needs.

secondly, it would balance out the roles of the various suits a little better. a low capacity weapon would put the Caldari assault in the running for owning the mid-long range game again with the suit specialty (reload bonus, for the uninformed), while letting the laser keep up with that role as it would be able to burn through Caldari shields (though the new variant would outrange the LR by a 10-20 meters), letting the designated marksman decide whether or not to close in and have a weapon that is still formidable in cqc though it doesn't fill that role as well as the AR or HMG.

As far as skill bonuses go, the new variant would still get helped by the sniper rifle op bonus of reduced sway as the rail rifle would have have to get settled in for a moment to balance having a longer range.

lol is not it ridiculous that SR has damage on the order of 200, non- esistent ROF and round clips of 3 to 5 and an ungodly sway and Tac AR got damage of 70-80, huge range, maybe recoil that become an issue only with sustained fire, but otherwise a ROF that comes preset for a turbo controller. Lol for balancing weapons.

not gonna happen. In theory it's possible, but it's not gonna happen. Devs usually stop this by capping the ROF. A much more simpler and realistic solution than using algorithms.

Which are against the EULA and a perma ban offense. Don't use em unless your willing to risk loosing your character and all its SP.

I don't think modded controllers are as much to blame here as people claim. I would not be surprised if some people use them but I also know that there are some gamers with impressive button pressing abilities.

This is not an issue of a small population of players doing well with this gun because of modded controllers. This is an issue of a gun that most who pick it up or are on the receiving end feel it is imbalanced compared to other guns in the game (including other ARs).