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So, how do you expect them to turn a profit with Dust since it's a F2P? There's been worse things done in F2P games. Would you rather Dust be using a Weapon-Rental system like others which outright forces complete dedication to get your money's worth?

sorry but i dont see how this relates to whats going on now.

If there is anything thats truely pay to win we will make sure to remove it.

good post +1 it shows how slimy CCP really is

For those that have trouble making connections, why do you think CCP is forcing a grind? You think its to make the game last longer? As of now it would take 13 years to unlock everything.


Boosters my friends, boosters.

It was mainly a bunch of hysterical screaming about the price of a Monocle, hence the name. (ok, ship spinning disappeared and the captains quarters made GPU's take a massive **** but nothing Pay 2 Win in that build at all or any build in the whole bloody 10 Years).

There is a better way: http://www.dota2.com/store/

sorry but i dont see how this relates to whats going on now.

If there is anything thats truely pay to win we will make sure to remove it.

Yeah, you don't have that power. Not to mention you are on record LIKING this massive mess of SP sinks. That plus omega boosters make CCP's pay to win scheme plain as day.

CCP Trying to make money? no way. I thought they made this game with no expectation of making anything! The shock! sadly some would actually think that. then get offended when others view em as crazy.

Then add more content to incentivize Boosters ffs.

"Monoclegate" had bugger all to do with Pay 2 Win.
I would be really interested to hear your reasoning behind the post and it's title, just so I can understand wtf you are talking about.

sorry but i dont see how this relates to whats going on now.

If there is anything thats truely pay to win we will make sure to remove it.

If you would bother reading CCP's internal magazine, which I linked, you'd understand the title and post. The things in that magazine are what the EVE players were pissed off about, as the magazine directly discusses how to implement a pay2win scheme in EVE and DUST. The issue back then was about much more than overpriced monocles; and I see many of those things, being played out here in DUST with the Uprising patch.

I'll even be nice and repeat the link: http://www.mediafire.com/?n8ohtufd1mtamgb

YCCP already kindly challenged us to find AUR items that don't have an ISK variant with the same status, because if there was, they would like to know so they could remove it/add ISK variant.

"Monoclegate" had bugger all to do with Pay 2 Win.

It was mainly a bunch of hysterical screaming about the price of a Monocle, hence the name. (ok, ship spinning disappeared and the captains quarters made GPU's take a massive **** but nothing Pay 2 Win in that build at all or any build in the whole bloody 10 Years).

I would be really interested to hear your reasoning behind the post and it's title, just so I can understand wtf you are talking about.

I've only been playing for 10 days or so but as far as I can see there is no pay 2 win, which is a bit of a shame because I would dearly love to pay to one shot the mini-blobs of Logi bastards that are running around atm (no offence Logi bastards, but you are, and deep in your hearts you know you are.).

As for the boosters, sure you can buy them, but then again you are not being forced into it.

Quick, before "THEY" lock the thread and come for you while you are sleeping.

"Monoclegate", as ******* idiotic as that name is and the situation surrounding it, was about more than just that monocle.

Around that time, CCP released Walking in Stations along with the aurum store and such. The entire event was spurred on by the walking in stations portion of the game being forced upon the player base in spite of prior comments that explicitly said we would have a way to opt out of ever entering the stations. Then, someone found an internal memo talking about selling ammo or guns for ships that could perform better than the ones sold on the market already on the aurum store to give players an advantage if they were willing to pay real money (BUT WAIT, THAT'S NOT QUITE THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD PAY FOR IT.. read on for more details).

The term monoclegate was only adopted because of the absurd ~$60 or $80 price tag attached to that ridiculous monocle in the aurum store, which players adopted as a symbol for their protests.

So there you go. Monoclegate was spurred on by a "pay to win scheme", and the forced walking in stations, basically. Players felt they were taking the game in a direction that was completely at odds with what they wanted in the game (they wanted more content for spaceships and flying in space).

The true idiocy of the entire ******* thing comes from the fact that... Hold your breath... Eve is already pay to win. You can buy plex and sell it for in game cash, and from there buy loads of stuff in Eve, even characters that have a fairly substantial set of skills and such if you pay enough isk. The reverse is true too... That being you can use isk to buy plex, convert it to aurum, and use that to pay for stuff in the aurum store, making it a bit less of a straightforward "pay to win" model with ways to access the content without real money existing, but still one that already exists right now nonetheless.

Now here's the fun part for all of you arguing. Dust will be pay to win by the same method sooner or later either way. Once we have access to the market, we'll be able to buy plex with real cash and sell it for isk and have the same outcome.

Basically the only real legitimate complaint during that whole debacle was complaining about the walking in station content being forced upon the players. Everything else was just an idiotic misunderstanding by players of how the game already operates, and the players are all still butthurt any time a dev even thinks about developing the station content.

If there is anything thats truely pay to win WE will make sure to remove it.

sorry but i dont see how this relates to whats going on now.

If there is anything thats truely pay to win we will make sure to remove it.

Ehhm, PLEX doesn't give you a ingame advantage.
You can either pay for a sub, or use PLEX which someone else pays for and then you have to buy it from him with ISK.
Its not Pay2Win because someone actually has to make the money the hard way to get it.
It creates a balance between people with lots of ingame time but not a lot of money and people with a lot of money and almost no time to play.
So basically, CCP created an option for people to play without having to pay, and without having to make the game free to play, and create a balance between the two groups mentioned above.
Win, Win, Win.

When they start selling Battleships that have the HP of a Titan then we'll be talking pay to win.

WE? Did CCP just employ the CPM?

I didn't know you were a CCP employee now Jenza, grats.

Those who forget the past, are doomed to repeat it.

So some people pay money to do things faster.. It's still just a temporary advantage since someone who doesn't pay will get there eventually. As long as people keep paying, CCP will keep updating, and F2P'ers have a game to play.

So some people pay money to do things faster.. It's still just a temporary advantage since someone who doesn't pay will get there eventually. As long as people keep paying, CCP will keep updating, and F2P'ers have a game to play.

You don't get there faster, you get MORE. Yes that means you also get the same faster, but that's not where it stops.