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trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:51:00 -
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I find the title of that monoclegate article amusing, "the day that eve online died" (2011). |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
977
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:00:00 -
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OMG HE SPENDS MONEY SO HE GETS TO DO THE SAME THING ONLY FASTER! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
^ What the Pay2Win people sound to me right now. |
Jin Robot
Polar Gooks
424
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:06:00 -
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I personally am thinking Mega boosters and fused locus definitely toe the line with P2W, but CCP are smart cookies so I have faith they wont kill there own game by making it a "rich people lap poor people" game. I hope atleast, because I would love to play this game for a long time. |
Selinate deux
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:23:00 -
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Vavilia Lysenko wrote:"Monoclegate" had bugger all to do with Pay 2 Win.
It was mainly a bunch of hysterical screaming about the price of a Monocle, hence the name. (ok, ship spinning disappeared and the captains quarters made GPU's take a massive **** but nothing Pay 2 Win in that build at all or any build in the whole bloody 10 Years).
I would be really interested to hear your reasoning behind the post and it's title, just so I can understand wtf you are talking about.
I've only been playing for 10 days or so but as far as I can see there is no pay 2 win, which is a bit of a shame because I would dearly love to pay to one shot the mini-blobs of Logi bastards that are running around atm (no offence Logi bastards, but you are, and deep in your hearts you know you are.).
As for the boosters, sure you can buy them, but then again you are not being forced into it.
Quick, before "THEY" lock the thread and come for you while you are sleeping.
"Monoclegate", as ******* idiotic as that name is and the situation surrounding it, was about more than just that monocle.
Around that time, CCP released Walking in Stations along with the aurum store and such. The entire event was spurred on by the walking in stations portion of the game being forced upon the player base in spite of prior comments that explicitly said we would have a way to opt out of ever entering the stations. Then, someone found an internal memo talking about selling ammo or guns for ships that could perform better than the ones sold on the market already on the aurum store to give players an advantage if they were willing to pay real money (BUT WAIT, THAT'S NOT QUITE THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD PAY FOR IT.. read on for more details).
The term monoclegate was only adopted because of the absurd ~$60 or $80 price tag attached to that ridiculous monocle in the aurum store, which players adopted as a symbol for their protests.
So there you go. Monoclegate was spurred on by a "pay to win scheme", and the forced walking in stations, basically. Players felt they were taking the game in a direction that was completely at odds with what they wanted in the game (more content for spaceships and flying in space).
The true idiocy of the entire ******* thing comes from the fact that... Hold your breath... Eve is already pay to win. You can buy plex and sell it for in game cash, and from there buy loads of stuff in Eve, even characters that have a fairly substantial set of skills and such if you pay enough isk. The reverse is true too... That being you can use isk to buy plex, convert it to aurum, and use that to pay for stuff in the aurum store, making it a bit less of a straightforward "pay to win" model with ways to access the content without real money existing, but still one that already exists right now nonetheless.
Now here's the fun part for all of you arguing. Dust will be pay to win by the same method sooner or later either way. Once we have access to the market, we'll be able to buy plex with real cash and sell it for isk and have the same outcome.
Basically the only real legitimate complaint during that whole debacle was complaining about the walking in station content being forced upon the players. Everything else was just an idiotic misunderstanding by players of how the game already operates, and the players are all still butthurt any time a dev even thinks about developing the station content. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
980
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:37:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:Vavilia Lysenko wrote:"Monoclegate" had bugger all to do with Pay 2 Win.
It was mainly a bunch of hysterical screaming about the price of a Monocle, hence the name. (ok, ship spinning disappeared and the captains quarters made GPU's take a massive **** but nothing Pay 2 Win in that build at all or any build in the whole bloody 10 Years).
I would be really interested to hear your reasoning behind the post and it's title, just so I can understand wtf you are talking about.
I've only been playing for 10 days or so but as far as I can see there is no pay 2 win, which is a bit of a shame because I would dearly love to pay to one shot the mini-blobs of Logi bastards that are running around atm (no offence Logi bastards, but you are, and deep in your hearts you know you are.).
As for the boosters, sure you can buy them, but then again you are not being forced into it.
Quick, before "THEY" lock the thread and come for you while you are sleeping.
"Monoclegate", as ******* idiotic as that name is and the situation surrounding it, was about more than just that monocle. Around that time, CCP released Walking in Stations along with the aurum store and such. The entire event was spurred on by the walking in stations portion of the game being forced upon the player base in spite of prior comments that explicitly said we would have a way to opt out of ever entering the stations. Then, someone found an internal memo talking about selling ammo or guns for ships that could perform better than the ones sold on the market already on the aurum store to give players an advantage if they were willing to pay real money (BUT WAIT, THAT'S NOT QUITE THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD PAY FOR IT.. read on for more details). The term monoclegate was only adopted because of the absurd ~$60 or $80 price tag attached to that ridiculous monocle in the aurum store, which players adopted as a symbol for their protests. So there you go. Monoclegate was spurred on by a "pay to win scheme", and the forced walking in stations, basically. Players felt they were taking the game in a direction that was completely at odds with what they wanted in the game (they wanted more content for spaceships and flying in space). The true idiocy of the entire ******* thing comes from the fact that... Hold your breath... Eve is already pay to win. You can buy plex and sell it for in game cash, and from there buy loads of stuff in Eve, even characters that have a fairly substantial set of skills and such if you pay enough isk. The reverse is true too... That being you can use isk to buy plex, convert it to aurum, and use that to pay for stuff in the aurum store, making it a bit less of a straightforward "pay to win" model with ways to access the content without real money existing, but still one that already exists right now nonetheless. Now here's the fun part for all of you arguing. Dust will be pay to win by the same method sooner or later either way. Once we have access to the market, we'll be able to buy plex with real cash and sell it for isk and have the same outcome. Basically the only real legitimate complaint during that whole debacle was complaining about the walking in station content being forced upon the players. Everything else was just an idiotic misunderstanding by players of how the game already operates, and the players are all still butthurt any time a dev even thinks about developing the station content. Ehhm, PLEX doesn't give you a ingame advantage. You can either pay for a sub, or use PLEX which someone else pays for and then you have to buy it from him with ISK. Its not Pay2Win because someone actually has to make the money the hard way to get it. It creates a balance between people with lots of ingame time but not a lot of money and people with a lot of money and almost no time to play. So basically, CCP created an option for people to play without having to pay, and without having to make the game free to play, and create a balance between the two groups mentioned above. Win, Win, Win.
When they start selling Battleships that have the HP of a Titan then we'll be talking pay to win. |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
903
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:27:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:If there is anything thats truely pay to win WE will make sure to remove it.
WE? Did CCP just employ the CPM?
I didn't know you were a CCP employee now Jenza, grats. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2871
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:30:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:sorry but i dont see how this relates to whats going on now.
If there is anything thats truely pay to win we will make sure to remove it.
Stuff like Omega boosters definitely fall into this category. |
Selinate deux
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:32:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: Ehhm, PLEX doesn't give you a ingame advantage. You can either pay for a sub, or use PLEX which someone else pays for and then you have to buy it from him with ISK. Its not Pay2Win because someone actually has to make the money the hard way to get it. It creates a balance between people with lots of ingame time but not a lot of money and people with a lot of money and almost no time to play. So basically, CCP created an option for people to play without having to pay, and without having to make the game free to play, and create a balance between the two groups mentioned above. Win, Win, Win.
When they start selling Battleships that have the HP of a Titan then we'll be talking pay to win.
Buy plex = pay for anything in game = pay to win. It's not that complicated. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1486
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Posted - 2013.05.10 17:57:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:jenza aranda wrote:If there is anything thats truely pay to win WE will make sure to remove it. WE? Did CCP just employ the CPM? I didn't know you were a CCP employee now Jenza, grats.
I do not know proper decorum here. Gift basket? |
Goretint
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:09:00 -
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So some people pay money to do things faster.. It's still just a temporary advantage since someone who doesn't pay will get there eventually. As long as people keep paying, CCP will keep updating, and F2P'ers have a game to play. |
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Maran Quinto
Infinity Engine Sleeping Dragons
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:10:00 -
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Rowley Pup wrote:Jotun Hiem wrote:Congratulations, you posted two year old news.
Cookie? Those who forget the past, are doomed to repeat it.
Those who create a storm in a cookie jar, dont get cookies.... |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1486
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:12:00 -
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Goretint wrote:So some people pay money to do things faster.. It's still just a temporary advantage since someone who doesn't pay will get there eventually. As long as people keep paying, CCP will keep updating, and F2P'ers have a game to play.
You don't get there faster, you get MORE. Yes that means you also get the same faster, but that's not where it stops. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
39
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:12:00 -
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Goretint wrote:So some people pay money to do things faster.. It's still just a temporary advantage since someone who doesn't pay will get there eventually. As long as people keep paying, CCP will keep updating, and F2P'ers have a game to play.
The people who get there eventually, will also get better boosts, due to the skill boosts from getting there also |
Goretint
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:49:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Goretint wrote:So some people pay money to do things faster.. It's still just a temporary advantage since someone who doesn't pay will get there eventually. As long as people keep paying, CCP will keep updating, and F2P'ers have a game to play. You don't get there faster, you get MORE. Yes that means you also get the same faster, but that's not where it stops.
Ok. fair enough. But free fits CAN still kill aur fits and top end, sp heavy fits. As long as there aren't any massively unbalanced items like invincible tanks or 1HK AR's, I still see it as people who play with real cash are paying for me to play free. |
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