Mithridates VI
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#14Posted: 2013.05.08 22:03 | Report
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Wow, I put as much time into working with this community as I can because I want to see the game succeed. I trawl through ancient posts in the Rookie Training Grounds looking for new players who didn't get answers to their questions and I respond or I hit them up in-game and squad with them to show them the ropes.

I run every playstyle I can to get a feel for what's working and what isn't so I can contribute from a position of knowledge. I blew my KDR to hell testing damage on weapons to make spreadsheets to share.

While I'm at work, I lurk in IRC and bring information from there to the forums to inform people who can't follow the chat all the time, waiting for dev to drop some info.

Frankly, it's hurtful and insulting when all of that work is dismissed on the basis of a tag below my name which a pointless and rationally unstable justification for a bias.

No.

In before lock
And its hard to look past a tag when most of your corp are trolls , qqers , etc the only imp that seems to get respect is kain spero

In before lock
And its hard to look past a tag when most of your corp are trolls , qqers , etc the only imp that seems to get respect is kain spero

Most of the forum community are trolls and QQers. Your bias towards the Imperfects is based on a primitive perception of this community's status hierarchy and a need to identify, isolate and defend yourself against any group you don't personally identify with.

Most of the forum community are trolls and QQers. Your bias towards the Imperfects is based on a primitive perception of this community's status hierarchy and a need to identify, isolate and defend yourself against any group you don't personally identify with.

Look past the tag and into the heart.

LOL @ amateur psychology hour!

Most of the forum community are trolls and QQers. Your bias towards the Imperfects is based on a primitive perception of this community's status hierarchy and a need to identify, isolate and defend yourself against any group you don't personally identify with.

His corp's reputation is founded on how they have treated others

No, it's based on reading Zitro's shitposting along with other Imperfects who sit there and brag about how great they are and how their opinions are the only one who matters.

Fix your own ranks if you want to be taken more seriously.

No, it's based on reading Zitro's shitposting along with other Imperfects who sit there and brag about how great they are and how their opinions are the only one who matters.

Fix your own ranks if you want to be taken more seriously.

His corp's reputation is founded on how they have treated others; by associating with them he assumes that reputation. Fact of life, in the real world and online. Accept it for what it is, change it (never heard of him so not sure how much his "good deeds" are seen), or associate with someone who has a better image. Those are the choices.

Prove Zitro and the others wrong first?

No, it's based on reading Zitro's shitposting along with other Imperfects who sit there and brag about how great they are and how their opinions are the only ones that matter.

Fix your own ranks if you want to be taken more seriously.

There are a few bad things about this build, but you idiots keep ranting

Have you seen the other corporations in this game? You (not specifically) seem to be applying a different standard to IMP posts than to everyone else's.

Poster A says "BAWW ARs" and people respond with "Poster A is QQing."

Poster B says the same with an IMP tag and people say "THIS IS WHY NOBODY LIKES YOUR CORP."
EDIT: And then goes on to use that to strengthen their belief in this, where the same would not be applied to Poster A's corporation.

Only IMPs are doing this? Really? IMPs single-handedly spammed up the forums with QQ?

Problem is you take them too seriously

I find myself biting at their troll bait, but that's the fun I get here. I don't hate them, or doubt their skill cuz of their trolling. I just get my lulz, as they do, and move on.

Don't like their trolls, then don't reply. The fact that you hate their trolls but reply to them anyway shows that they were successful and got you foaming at the mouth.

Prove that you "elite players" don't have a more important opinion than everyone else in the game? Or prove that the whining is just whining?

There are a few bad things about this build, but you idiots keep ranting like 5 year olds who are yelling at their teacher to only listen to them because they made the prettiest finger painting to the point where it's obnoxious. Add on to that that this build, while not perfectly balanced, is nowhere near as off base as you all make it to be, which just makes it more difficult to take any of you seriously.

You're not reading what I'm posting. Try again.

Please restate what that post was supposed to communicate. Because it seems to me like https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division

Prove that you "elite players" don't have a more important opinion than everyone else in the game? Or prove that the whining is just whining?

There are a few bad things about this build, but you idiots keep ranting like 5 year olds who are yelling at their teacher to only listen to them because they made the prettiest finger painting to the point where it's obnoxious. Add on to that that this build, while not perfectly balanced, is nowhere near as off base as you all make it to be, which just makes it more difficult to take any of you seriously.

Well after 50 posts from zitro and other "top players" about the same thing over and over again, all getting bumped to the top of the forums constantly, all while (what was already posted by me earlier, I have no desire to repeat it), what the hell do you expect.

still see a troll

No.

If your reading comprehension is that poor then there's no reason to continue in this thread.

I think Imps are too quick to defend themselves in this area. Yes, most people are trolls. But most people ARE NOT assholes. See the difference? Yes, there are Imps that are not assholes; Howdidthattaste, Kane Spero, you, and many more are fine.

But the people that you consider to be 'leet' are generally the rejects of society. They spend their entire time on the game and are consequently good at the game. They are also assholes that measure their life through their gaming skill and brag about how great they are on these forums. The Imps chose to let these people in so that they could have the best stats. You can either have good social image or have these degenerates in your corp, can't hate on people for pointing out that these people make your entire corp look like pricks with their offensive and hateful comments.

/iamdoneherenow

You still haven't described any behaviours which are not shared among the other corps.

Unless you were using a general "you", you also put words in my mouth and then used them to fuel your argument.

...and I am blaming people who attribute the qualities of a part to the whole because it's logically fallacious to do so, just as I would be in error to assume that everyone in EoN. was guilty of this error, or to assume that because GATT accepted IM-JUST TO-PRO after he stole from TSOLE, that everyone in GATT is a thief.

We miss you Mith. Your logic was an asset to TSOLE. Imps don't know what they got.

Take for example Sota Pop, who just made a wild swing at Zion because he was so hurt about one comment another guy made. Maybe if he defied the stereotype (and all the other Imps with this problem) then it would fade. He makes his corp look like pricks with his comment, and it would do him well to stop if he really cared about his corp's PR.

Not sure where I put words into your mouth, I stated that you were right about most people being trolls, then didn't reference your words again.

Since you didn't quote me I'm just going to have to assume you were referring to my comment.

The behavior that your corp possesses that no other corp does is an overabundance of trolls. We all know Xero, troll of PFBHz, and dark cloud, rage poster of SI, but those are the only people in those corps that I can think of off the top of my head. On the other hand, I can name dozens of Imps with a self-control issue when posting on forums. Take for example Sota Pop, who just made a wild swing at Zion because he was so hurt about one comment another guy made. Maybe if he defied the stereotype (and all the other Imps with this problem) then it would fade. He makes his corp look like pricks with his comment, and it would do him well to stop if he really cared about his corp's PR.

Not sure where I put words into your mouth, I stated that you were right about most people being trolls, then didn't reference your words again.

We miss you Mith. Your logic was an asset to TSOLE. Imps don't know what they got.

this thread still not locked yet? cmon vegas

Your regular reference to the IMPs and, thus far, poor justification for the negative feelings you have expressed are noted.

Not understood, but noted.

do i have an inner imp?

do i have an inner imp?

im going by facts from reading every single imp thread and what have i learned from that? well i pretty much answered that in my first post on this thread

dude im going by facts from reading every single imp thread and what have i learned from that? well i pretty much answered that in my first post on this thread

His corp's reputation is founded on how they have treated others; by associating with them he assumes that reputation. Fact of life, in the real world and online. Accept it for what it is, change it (never heard of him so not sure how much his "good deeds" are seen), or associate with someone who has a better image. Those are the choices.

I think there will be an eventual showdown

EPIC RAP BATTLES of HISTORY

Mith v ReGnUm

Who will win, who will earn our love

there is too many regnums on the forums even he does beat one of us he has to face another regnum

there is too many regnums on the forums even he does beat one of us he has to face another regnum

You're right - this isn't filled with hate. It's filled with contempt. My bad?

I think Imps are too quick to defend themselves in this area. Yes, most people are trolls. But most people ARE NOT assholes. See the difference? Yes, there are Imps that are not assholes; Howdidthattaste, Kane Spero, you, and many more are fine.

But the people that you consider to be 'leet' are generally the rejects of society. They spend their entire time on the game and are consequently good at the game. They are also assholes that measure their life through their gaming skill and brag about how great they are on these forums. The Imps chose to let these people in so that they could have the best stats. You can either have good social image or have these degenerates in your corp, can't hate on people for pointing out that these people make your entire corp look like pricks with their offensive and hateful comments.

/iamdoneherenow

You will notice the "change it" part of his comment, so he believes you can be viewed differently if you ("you" meaning your entire corp) make an effort to change it.

SoTa, I have to hand it to you, you are a masterful troll if there ever was one.

This entire thread. Using another person to cause a raucous eruption of nonsense.

*claps*

It's filled with the truth. I guess the truth is contemptible. People associated to you treat people badly, and the populous' opinion of those people will be associated with you, too. You will notice the "change it" part of his comment, so he believes you can be viewed differently if you ("you" meaning your entire corp) make an effort to change it.

I feel so used.

I feel so used.

anywho i have come to the conclusion that im done messing with the imps got my own corp to think about , but i will always be an anti complainer type guy

An anti complainer on a gaming forum? Are you sure you're in the right place? If you just want to QQ at QQ you can use facebook.

He is a true blue IMP and forum warrior. He is where he belongs.

yeah im sure i bash on every complaining thread anyway done wit this thread


Nstomp

anywho i have come to the conclusion that im done messing with the imps got my own corp to think about , but i will always be an anti complainer type guy

He makes his corp look like pricks with his comment, and it would do him well to stop if he really cared about his corp's PR.

Let's say for example... an Imp makes a thread saying not all Imps are the same. How would that thread turn out?

owait... sorry, Mith - it matters not what you do, you're an Imp and therefor scum - is the message we clearly got here.

Gotta love this community <3

Let's say for example... an Imp makes a thread saying not all Imps are the same. How would that thread turn out?

owait... sorry, Mith - it matters not what you do, you're an Imp and therefor scum - is the message we clearly got here.

Gotta love this community <3

Only IMPs are doing this? Really? IMPs single-handedly spammed up the forums with QQ?

Mith, your trying to defend your new Corp, that's respectable but seriously you knew when you signed up that you were joining a bunch of KDR obsessed, E-thugging, afk farming bunch of douchebags.

I'm not suddenly leaping into the fray to defend the Imperfects since joining them, I've always made it quite clear that the forum community's response to the tag was fairly transparently biased in my opinion.

Given the inclination to view the group as only capable of trolling, QQing and negativity it's no wonder that you maintain this worldview, however my opinion is based on joining the group for myself so I am not speaking from a position of ignorance and can actually assess the qualities of each of the members by interacting with them as human beings, rather than making sweeping judgments based on popular opinion and the negative filter that popular opinion places over future interactions.

I concede. I admit I was biased to his post and was lookin' to make a jab at ZTCD. But it's a personal reason and not an Imp mentality.

No Imp has EVER pushed me to troll anyone FYI. And - in fact - has warned me that some of the people I target do not deserve what I offer to give.

Mith, your trying to defend your new Corp, that's respectable but seriously you knew when you signed up that you were joining a bunch of KDR obsessed, E-thugging, afk farming bunch of douchebags. Now not all of them are like this, like you of course but the reputation they have and how they are perceived among the community has all been established and brought upon by they themselves. You can't deny this, they bask in the negative light and hatred they've created for themselves. Some have brought some good to the community like Free Beers and Kain Spero, but what have the rest done besides call out every Corp and player who didn't Didn't Corp battle them, Got stomped in a pub match or who doesn't have 8.0 KDR? Trolling, QQing, and Negativity is all the Imperfects will ever be in the eyes of the community.

Or care what ya give...

You seem to care enough to cry about how often I troll you in war room ;)

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I honestly feel that their mentorship, leadership, gaming abilities, community awareness and community leadership, as well as their unparalleled commitment to the advancement of blueberry education to improve the overall quality of DUST, not just for themselves, but for all of us. Their unquestionable tactics within DUST has served to show all how to properly rain death and destruction upon the heads of those who are unwilling to succumb to the greater needs of this community. I for one would let anyone of these men and women date my children, because I trust that they will always have the betterment of my children in mind, just as they have the betterment of this game and community in mind.

Besides Ydubbs is just upset because he can't be a part of the magnificence that is Negative-Feedback and that is the only reason that he begged and pleaded with you to say something to me. Furthermore, he exemplifies the jealousy and wanton need to be a part of something bigger than himself and huddles in a corner in the fetal position sucking his thumb and crying about his failures to have a meaningful and positive impact on this community as a whole. His selfishness is exactly why Negative-Feedback has been forced to stand up for this community and carry us all into a new future where all of New Eden will fear mercs, just as our brothers lifted up Cronos in the recent tournament at fanfest and carried them to victory. I ask you friends, what better show of dedication can one group of players offer another, what better show of community or selflessness can be shown?

Rest assured my friends, Negative-Feedback is here for you and together we can usher in a new and positive future that is profitable for all, BUT you must be willing to join us in this endeavor. For those who work against the community of Brothers and slanders and badmouths this Brotherhood will surely face the wrath of the just and righteous call of NEGATIVE-FEEDBACK.

I troll cause I like to so now that others are starting to accept it I just don't find it fun anymore so anytime I can come in and poke here and poke there is cool but as far as trying to join the elite trollers... just isn't for me.

Well you know what, guys, and I don't know about you but to me this Mithri dude reminds me of Forrest Gump and I'm gonna tell you guys exactly why he reminds me of Forrest Gump. I mean the guy obviously means well, man, but at the same time he's lacking just enough in the social department for a guy like me to notice that and let me give you guys an example so you know what I'm talking about. And Mithri if you're reading this, dude, don't take this in the wrong way, bro. That being said, what I'm talking about here is the part of his message where he states that the people who give him **** because he is part of the corp he is part of are not being rational.

That to me sounds like equivalent of the biggest geek walking up to group of jocks and saying "I choose you to be my best friend". Nothing against geeks or jocks here, guys, just an example. Now let's go back to that statement. Is the community being rational for giving him **** because of the corp he's in? I don't know, probably not. Is that statement likely to change anybody's mind? Probably not. But I've got a better question for you guys: Are people rational? Well, I think hell no! You see people are far from rational and expecting people to be rational is asking for trouble if you ask me. You see when it comes to things like social dynamics and group behaviour especially, you have to be a little smarter than that. I mean I understand you guys got this whole, freedom of speech thing going on in your alliance, no big deal there, I get it. But at the same time, man, you've got to be ready to be treated like the most moronic person who's part of the group you associate yourself with. Asking for people to be friendly to you, just because you are a great guy? I mean c'mon, man, let's be a little bit more realistic here: It's not gonna happen.

I think you read the word 'rational' and decided I was Spock, dismissing things because they didn't fit my model of reality which is not the case. The rest of your post is a strawman based on that.

Now, don't get me wrong, if it was an entertaining strawman I would engage with it but your entire forum persona bores me so I will not.

And then you used that direction, as you have done in the past, to attempt reinforce your own assertions of your mastery of social skills, despite the very vocal negative responses to your misogyny and blatantly unfunny trolling.

Sounds like crying at your betters to me.

Look past the tag and into the heart.

See this is exactly what I mean, man, and I was afraid you might be out there reading this message and I didn't want you to take it the wrong way, dude.

And some of this guy's posts have made me facepalm.

You do realise that quoting a post, asserting that it's proving your point and then implying that the poster was upset by your comments is trolling 101?

See, here's the thing dude and let me perfectly honest with you here, but before that let me answer your question. No, I did not realise that, cause everybody who's been following my forum posts know that I didn't even know what trolling means until a short time ago, because let me tell you, I haven't spend a lot of times chatting in online communities before this, bro. This is a learning experience for me as much as it's for you, man. That being said, let me get back to the topic. The fact of the matter is that I didn't want to have a confrontation or an argument with you about my statement to begin with. I threw out my own opinion, as a man who knows a thing or two about social dynamics, to the general public who can in fact look at it a little bit more objectively.

You're not having an argument with me, man. Welcome to communicating on the internet, by the way...but you haven't upset me with what, to be quite honest with you, looked like an attempt to do so. If it wasn't, I'd advise that you read your posts before making them and consider their tone. Just a little tip for the future

If you're going to claim to know a thing or two about social dynamics, you are sure to understand that coming into a conversation which you are not a part of and immediately asserting that one of the participants lacks social skills before suggesting that your own are very well developed... is pretty much not done.

So! I presumed the transgression intentional, an attempt at baiting, but instead it was just considered kind of adorable. Almost naively charming. Have no fear about having caused offence, though. We're as cool as we were before you entered the thread.

Now, Mithri, your situation is a little bit different though, as you don't wish to take this **** from the community cause it insults you, no big deal. I understand where you're coming from, bro. What I was trying to say though, is that you can't expect people to like you just because you're a great guy or because it's irrational for people to give you **** because you're associated with a certain group. Well the fact of the matter is that you'll be treated like you're the most moronic person in the group you've associated yourself with.

Don't get me wrong. I don't have any expectation that stamping my feet and crying "why won't you all just be nicer to me" is a reasonable course of action, even if people were hostile towards me. They generally aren't, to be honest, in the thread SoTa quoted to start this one I was using my own membership within this group to highlight the fact that applying a blanket rule to the entire alliance is folly.

I haven't found myself treated like the most moronic person in the group. What I was responding to was a blanket rage thread at the IMP tag, not anything targeted at me. My interaction with this community has largely remained unchanged by my affiliation with this group. It's best to read the OP as somewhat tongue in cheek.

I became so accustomed to the people I was communicating with being familiar with this history that I didn't think to explain it, but I see how you could have gathered the impression that I was legitimately having a tantrum about not being treated right. It ain't so, brother... and if it were, asking people to be nice because it's the rational course of action would not be my response.

In that case, man, everything seems to be all fine and dandy to me!

Well you know what, guys, and I don't know about you but to me this Mithri dude reminds me of Forrest Gump and I'm gonna tell you guys exactly why he reminds me of Forrest Gump. he's lacking just enough in the social department for a guy like me to notice And Mithri if you're reading this, dude, take this in the wrong way, bro, what I'm talking about here Is the community being rational for giving him **** because of the corp he's in You see people are expecting you to be the most moronic person. Asking for people to be friendly to you, just because you are a great guy? I mean c'mon, man, let's be realistic here: It's not gonna happen.

I haven't read this thread past the first page. But honestly this whole forum community is one of the most hostile, needlessly antagonistic and frankly assholeish communities I've been a part of. It's rubbed off on me a bit too and I'm slightly worse of a human being from being a part of it.

But it's fun and it kills time at work. So yeah. Plus a good villian is fun. Imps are like the Miami heat. Good but whiney and unlikable.

I haven't read this thread past the first page. But honestly this whole forum community is one of the most hostile, needlessly antagonistic and frankly assholeish communities I've been a part of. It's rubbed off on me a bit too and I'm slightly worse of a human being from being a part of it.

But it's fun and it kills time at work. So yeah. Plus a good villian is fun. Imps are like the Miami heat. Good but whiney and unlikable.

I haven't read this thread past the first page. But honestly this whole forum community is one of the most hostile, needlessly antagonistic and frankly assholeish communities I've been a part of. It's rubbed off on me a bit too and I'm slightly worse of a human being from being a part of it.

But it's fun and it kills time at work. So yeah. Plus a good villian is fun. Imps are like the Miami heat. Good but whiney and unlikable.

Welcome to New Eden, where even the forums are PVP!

Come for the tears, stay for the trolls.

PS. We're assholes because we care <3