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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:14:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:In before lock And its hard to look past a tag when most of your corp are trolls , qqers , etc the only imp that seems to get respect is kain spero
Most of the forum community are trolls and QQers. Your bias towards the Imperfects is based on a primitive perception of this community's status hierarchy and a need to identify, isolate and defend yourself against any group you don't personally identify with. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:31:00 -
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You still haven't described any behaviours which are not shared among the other corps.
Unless you were using a general "you", you also put words in my mouth and then used them to fuel your argument.
...and I am blaming people who attribute the qualities of a part to the whole because it's logically fallacious to do so, just as I would be in error to assume that everyone in EoN. was guilty of this error, or to assume that because GATT accepted IM-JUST TO-PRO after he stole from TSOLE, that everyone in GATT is a thief.
Crash Monster wrote:LOL @ amateur psychology hour! Monkeypolitik is not a complicated topic, even if I had not put any time into studying it. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:37:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:His corp's reputation is founded on how they have treated others No, it isn't. No IMP can make a thread with benevolent intent without insane troll logic finding personal gain in the suggestion.
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:39:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Nstomper wrote:In before lock And its hard to look past a tag when most of your corp are trolls , qqers , etc the only imp that seems to get respect is kain spero Most of the forum community are trolls and QQers. Your bias towards the Imperfects is based on a primitive perception of this community's status hierarchy and a need to identify, isolate and defend yourself against any group you don't personally identify with. No, it's based on reading Zitro's shitposting along with other Imperfects who sit there and brag about how great they are and how their opinions are the only one who matters. Fix your own ranks if you want to be taken more seriously. Have you seen the other corporations in this game? You (not specifically) seem to be applying a different standard to IMP posts than to everyone else's.
Poster A says "BAWW ARs" and people respond with "Poster A is QQing."
Poster B says the same with an IMP tag and people say "THIS IS WHY NOBODY LIKES YOUR CORP." EDIT: And then goes on to use that to strengthen their belief in this, where the same would not be applied to Poster A's corporation. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:42:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:There are a few bad things about this build, but you idiots keep ranting Only IMPs are doing this? Really? IMPs single-handedly spammed up the forums with QQ? |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:45:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Selinate deux wrote:There are a few bad things about this build, but you idiots keep ranting Only IMPs are doing this? Really? IMPs single-handedly spammed up the forums with QQ? You're not reading what I'm posting. Try again. Please restate what that post was supposed to communicate. Because it seems to me like https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:49:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:SoTa of PoP wrote:Prove Zitro and the others wrong first? Prove that you "elite players" don't have a more important opinion than everyone else in the game? Or prove that the whining is just whining? There are a few bad things about this build, but you idiots keep ranting like 5 year olds who are yelling at their teacher to only listen to them because they made the prettiest finger painting to the point where it's obnoxious. Add on to that that this build, while not perfectly balanced, is nowhere near as off base as you all make it to be, which just makes it more difficult to take any of you seriously.
>Prove that you "elite players" don't have a more important opinion than everyone else in the game?
Unless Zitro's post was solely composed of "I have a more important opinion than everyone else in in the game", this is not what SoTa said and it's disingenuous to respond as if it was.
>Or prove that the whining is just whining?
This is a value judgment you are making without any support. Is every IMP post whining?
>There are a few bad things about this build, but you idiots keep ranting like 5 year olds who are yelling at their teacher to only listen to them because they made the prettiest finger painting to the point where it's obnoxious.
This is what I responded to already, "You idiots are doing X" certainly sounds as if you're accusing all of the idiots of doing X.
>Add on to that that this build, while not perfectly balanced, is nowhere near as off base as you all make it to be, which just makes it more difficult to take any of you seriously.
That's your opinion. You're free to debate your reasons for this belief but I would appreciate your not resorting to ad-hominem to do so. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:51:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote: No.
If your reading comprehension is that poor then there's no reason to continue in this thread.
That's your call to make if you're so confident in your own ability to communicate that the fault for any misinterpretation cannot possibly lie with you.
Refusing to clarify when asked has always seemed to me the behaviour of a dishonest person.
EDIT: Or a troll. I suppose it was a mistake to engage you with an innocent assumption of your good intent. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:02:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote: Since you didn't quote me I'm just going to have to assume you were referring to my comment.
The behavior that your corp possesses that no other corp does is an overabundance of trolls. We all know Xero, troll of PFBHz, and dark cloud, rage poster of SI, but those are the only people in those corps that I can think of off the top of my head. On the other hand, I can name dozens of Imps with a self-control issue when posting on forums. Take for example Sota Pop, who just made a wild swing at Zion because he was so hurt about one comment another guy made. Maybe if he defied the stereotype (and all the other Imps with this problem) then it would fade. He makes his corp look like pricks with his comment, and it would do him well to stop if he really cared about his corp's PR.
Not sure where I put words into your mouth, I stated that you were right about most people being trolls, then didn't reference your words again.
Perhaps I misread your "the people that you consider to be 'leet' are generally the rejects of society". I consider people to be 'leet' based on criteria similar to those required to consider oneself a "Renaissance Man", a combination of combat finesse, wit, strategy, versatility and political savvy.
Those few (and from interacting with the group, I do truly believe it to be a minority) IMPs who truly have no business communicating with human beings, and should be relegated to bell-ringing duty in a tower somewhere, crying "SANCTUARY", are not representative of the whole but it is part of the group's philosophy that they be given no lesser a voice. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:03:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:this thread still not locked yet? cmon vegas Your regular reference to the IMPs and, thus far, poor justification for the negative feelings you have expressed are noted.
Not understood, but noted. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:04:00 -
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Aw, you guys, fighting over me. I blush! |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:08:00 -
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ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote:do i have an inner imp? You are the Matryoshka doll of IMPs. Each of your inner IMPs has a smaller inner IMP inside. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:10:00 -
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Nstomperdude wrote: im going by facts from reading every single imp thread and what have i learned from that? well i pretty much answered that in my first post on this thread
I may not believe you but I will keep in mind that you seem to genuinely believe that your opinion is evidence-based and so, in future, read your posts with a lack of malice in mind. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:21:00 -
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ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:I think there will be an eventual showdown
EPIC RAP BATTLES of HISTORY
Mith v ReGnUm
Who will win, who will earn our love there is too many regnums on the forums even he does beat one of us he has to face another regnum
ReGnUm is the Lernaean Hydra. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:29:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:You will notice the "change it" part of his comment, so he believes you can be viewed differently if you ("you" meaning your entire corp) make an effort to change it.
I would forecast such an effort being as well received as Immobile Infantry asking for reports to be made when their players teamkill.
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:29:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:SoTa, I have to hand it to you, you are a masterful troll if there ever was one.
This entire thread. Using another person to cause a raucous eruption of nonsense.
*claps*
I feel so used. |
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:44:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:anywho i have come to the conclusion that im done messing with the imps got my own corp to think about , but i will always be an anti complainer type guy While there may be miscommunications when IMPs post, both from readers expectations and the possibily that the author has become jaded to contributing suggestions, I'd really like to make it clear that internally, IMPs are working from a position of concern for the future of the game and the experience of new players.
We've AFK'd our way to decent SP and can adapt to whatever is thrown at us with game rebalance but are extremely wary that those new to the game will not have the same experience. It's in our best interests to keep the game kicking and make it attractive to new people. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:29:00 -
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CASHERN X2 wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Selinate deux wrote:There are a few bad things about this build, but you idiots keep ranting Only IMPs are doing this? Really? IMPs single-handedly spammed up the forums with QQ? Mith, your trying to defend your new Corp, that's respectable but seriously you knew when you signed up that you were joining a bunch of KDR obsessed, E-thugging, afk farming bunch of douchebags.
I'm not suddenly leaping into the fray to defend the Imperfects since joining them, I've always made it quite clear that the forum community's response to the tag was fairly transparently biased in my opinion.
Given the inclination to view the group as only capable of trolling, QQing and negativity it's no wonder that you maintain this worldview, however my opinion is based on joining the group for myself so I am not speaking from a position of ignorance and can actually assess the qualities of each of the members by interacting with them as human beings, rather than making sweeping judgments based on popular opinion and the negative filter that popular opinion places over future interactions. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:20:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:Well you know what, guys, and I don't know about you but to me this Mithri dude reminds me of Forrest Gump and I'm gonna tell you guys exactly why he reminds me of Forrest Gump. I mean the guy obviously means well, man, but at the same time he's lacking just enough in the social department for a guy like me to notice that and let me give you guys an example so you know what I'm talking about. And Mithri if you're reading this, dude, don't take this in the wrong way, bro. That being said, what I'm talking about here is the part of his message where he states that the people who give him **** because he is part of the corp he is part of are not being rational.
That to me sounds like equivalent of the biggest geek walking up to group of jocks and saying "I choose you to be my best friend". Nothing against geeks or jocks here, guys, just an example. Now let's go back to that statement. Is the community being rational for giving him **** because of the corp he's in? I don't know, probably not. Is that statement likely to change anybody's mind? Probably not. But I've got a better question for you guys: Are people rational? Well, I think hell no! You see people are far from rational and expecting people to be rational is asking for trouble if you ask me. You see when it comes to things like social dynamics and group behaviour especially, you have to be a little smarter than that. I mean I understand you guys got this whole, freedom of speech thing going on in your alliance, no big deal there, I get it. But at the same time, man, you've got to be ready to be treated like the most moronic person who's part of the group you associate yourself with. Asking for people to be friendly to you, just because you are a great guy? I mean c'mon, man, let's be a little bit more realistic here: It's not gonna happen.
I think you read the word 'rational' and decided I was Spock, dismissing things because they didn't fit my model of reality which is not the case. The rest of your post is a strawman based on that.
Now, don't get me wrong, if it was an entertaining strawman I would engage with it but your entire forum persona bores me so I will not.
And then you used that direction, as you have done in the past, to attempt reinforce your own assertions of your mastery of social skills, despite the very vocal negative responses to your misogyny and blatantly unfunny trolling.
EDIT: Okay, I'll engage with part of your ramble because you tried so very hard. You see that part where you pretend to know all about social dynamics and group behaviour? That was touched on earlier when I referred to Monkeypolitik as a driving motivation behind the anti-IMP posts.
I get it. I largely understand the irrationality that drives much of our interaction and how chemical triggers for status-seeking behaviours translate to forums. I'm still going to criticise it. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:25:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:See this is exactly what I mean, man, and I was afraid you might be out there reading this message and I didn't want you to take it the wrong way, dude.
You do realise that quoting a post, asserting that it's proving your point and then implying that the poster was upset by your comments is trolling 101? |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:26:00 -
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You basically just resorted to "u mad" only a few posts into your involvement with this thread. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:28:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:And some of this guy's posts have made me facepalm. Oh no! Which ones didn't you like?
I had the impression that I largely agreed with your posts, though that's just a feeling and I might be mixing you up with someone. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:39:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:See, here's the thing dude and let me perfectly honest with you here, but before that let me answer your question. No, I did not realise that, cause everybody who's been following my forum posts know that I didn't even know what trolling means until a short time ago, because let me tell you, I haven't spend a lot of times chatting in online communities before this, bro. This is a learning experience for me as much as it's for you, man. That being said, let me get back to the topic. The fact of the matter is that I didn't want to have a confrontation or an argument with you about my statement to begin with. I threw out my own opinion, as a man who knows a thing or two about social dynamics, to the general public who can in fact look at it a little bit more objectively.
You're not having an argument with me, man. Welcome to communicating on the internet, by the way...but you haven't upset me with what, to be quite honest with you, looked like an attempt to do so. If it wasn't, I'd advise that you read your posts before making them and consider their tone. Just a little tip for the future
If you're going to claim to know a thing or two about social dynamics, you are sure to understand that coming into a conversation which you are not a part of and immediately asserting that one of the participants lacks social skills before suggesting that your own are very well developed... is pretty much not done.
So! I presumed the transgression intentional, an attempt at baiting, but instead it was just considered kind of adorable. Almost naively charming. Have no fear about having caused offence, though. We're as cool as we were before you entered the thread. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:57:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:Now, Mithri, your situation is a little bit different though, as you don't wish to take this **** from the community cause it insults you, no big deal. I understand where you're coming from, bro. What I was trying to say though, is that you can't expect people to like you just because you're a great guy or because it's irrational for people to give you **** because you're associated with a certain group. Well the fact of the matter is that you'll be treated like you're the most moronic person in the group you've associated yourself with.
Don't get me wrong. I don't have any expectation that stamping my feet and crying "why won't you all just be nicer to me" is a reasonable course of action, even if people were hostile towards me. They generally aren't, to be honest, in the thread SoTa quoted to start this one I was using my own membership within this group to highlight the fact that applying a blanket rule to the entire alliance is folly.
I haven't found myself treated like the most moronic person in the group. What I was responding to was a blanket rage thread at the IMP tag, not anything targeted at me. My interaction with this community has largely remained unchanged by my affiliation with this group. It's best to read the OP as somewhat tongue in cheek.
I became so accustomed to the people I was communicating with being familiar with this history that I didn't think to explain it, but I see how you could have gathered the impression that I was legitimately having a tantrum about not being treated right. It ain't so, brother... and if it were, asking people to be nice because it's the rational course of action would not be my response. |
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:05:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:In that case, man, everything seems to be all fine and dandy to me!
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:42:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:I haven't read this thread past the first page. But honestly this whole forum community is one of the most hostile, needlessly antagonistic and frankly assholeish communities I've been a part of. It's rubbed off on me a bit too and I'm slightly worse of a human being from being a part of it.
But it's fun and it kills time at work. So yeah. Plus a good villian is fun. Imps are like the Miami heat. Good but whiney and unlikable. +1 |
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