Mass Driver was perfect in the last build, not to much damage and quite tricky to use but great fun. Now its just ineffective at crowd control and you need to direct hit to do any good with it, its almost useless and not very fun to use.

/disapointed with this decision CCP

I find it surprising that people are crying about stuff being nerfed when I seem to be evenly killed by every weapon system this time around.

Ya, I'm still enjoying the freedom dispite the nerf. It works wonders in urban settings with tight allies and lots of cover. Just avoid open fields at all cost.

Yeah, the weapon changes have changed its role. After much struggling, I'm finding success using the Freedom as a CQC weapon. I just run up on groups of people and hope my buffer holds out till the smoke clears.

I don't think this is the role that was intended, and I seriously doubt the QA that went into validating this new mass driver.

If they want to keep the weapon damage in line with the other nerfs, blah, whatever, fine, but give me back my splash so I can actually suppress people while my squaddies mop up.

The nanohive nerf is just salt in the wound too. Now that I have to spam rounds to even have a chance at killing people, I'm finding myself going through 12 rounds just to get 1-2 kills. I'm getting way too many SMG kills lately.

I used it pretty much exclusively last build, and it needed the nerfs it got. The claim that it was "area denial" is total BS. There is no area denial in this game outside of a tank forcing players to avoid the region it's sitting in or nade spamming from a supply depot.

The mass driver before had so much damage output it could kill any suit in the game in a single clip, and its radius made sure you never missed. If it still has the explosive impact knocking people's aim around, then the radius deserved a nerf as well, because that's what allowed you to 1v1 people so easily.

I used it pretty much exclusively last build, and it needed the nerfs it got. The claim that it was "area denial" is total BS. There is no area denial in this game outside of a tank forcing players to avoid the region it's sitting in or nade spamming from a supply depot.
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I guess all the MD users already quit.

I found a new way to murder AR's: minmatar Militia light frame with Adv SMG/Adv Scrambler, basic locus, kincat, armor rep. Does WONDERS against proto AR users.

I used it pretty much exclusively last build, and it needed the nerfs it got. The claim that it was "area denial" is total BS. There is no area denial in this game outside of a tank forcing players to avoid the region it's sitting in or nade spamming from a supply depot.

The mass driver before had so much damage output it could kill any suit in the game in a single clip, and its radius made sure you never missed. If it still has the explosive impact knocking people's aim around, then the radius deserved a nerf as well, because that's what allowed you to 1v1 people so easily.

Out of curiosity, what proto primary weapon can't kill some with a single clip? The tactical sniper is the least damage a clip light weapon I know of due to having 3 rounds a clip, but if you're using a proto fit with 2 damage mods you'll put out 750 damage in less than 2 seconds and have a fast reload. A proto MD fit the same way will put out 900 damage a clip, but it will take at least 12 seconds and have the longest reload other than a HMG.

Assaults should run in terror from HMGs and have to take shots from outside the heavies range.
Groups should panic to get away from each other when they encounter a MD.
Everyone should focus fire if they see a shotgun scout.
Logis should support
Vehicles should be scary

None of this is the case right now. It's just blobs of ARs melting anything they see for more than .25 seconds.

and furthermore.. Im starting to think that half these trolls are probly CCP employees.. Because if you are using a MD and used it before.. there can be NO doubt the gun is broken.. So All those who are on these threads saying it works just fine..

I say... YOU ARE A LIAR.. and probly have alternative motives..

Way to kill the community.. Ignore / delete post/ use fake trolls all in a desperate attempt to cover the truth of the epic fail this patch was..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RucZsGn0W_o

Nope, I'm real. The weapon works fine. I went 11/0 in this video using Freedom as primary. I think I got 2 kills with smg and 1 melee, and that was cuz I ran out of MD rounds and hives. The real problem is lack of supply depots but that's another thread. I'm glad the MD got the nerfs it got. Now I can tell people to STFU when they say the MD takes no skill to use. Plus with friendly fire coming, I don't want to have to pick my shots trying to not hit teammates instead of trying to hit enemy.

It's not just about getting kills with it, the MD's purpose got nerfed. I was the guy in my squad that would herd the enemy or contain them at choke points long enough for scouts to flank and heavies to get close enough to unload. Or in most cases run the enemy away so I can get to a downed teammate. I wouldn't get more than 4-5 kills a game on average but I was the squad MVP for my contributions. Now, people shrug off the damage and gun for you. I get more kills since the terrain bug is gone but I'd trade those extra kills any day of the week for the tactical and utility uses the MD once had.

I just wish we can get some info from Remnant or Wolfman on why such a drastic change or their perspective on how the weapon should be used. Not just the MD, but every weapon that suffered a nerf. Weapon variety created healthy counter play while giving both people on opposing ends of a weapon those meaningful choices to make and forced everyone to use their heads. Now after everything got nerfed, it's just another AR orgy with the TAR a cut above the rest. We need an arms race instead of a nerf war.

Well, with everyone claiming it was a "support" weapon, it was way too good in a slayer role. You could get over 1300 splash damage per clip (it's down to about 1000 now)...

Well I'm sure they nerfed the blast radius of the MD because of a few things:

1. All the AR cryhards were getting killed by it too much.

2. Everyone was saying that it takes no skill to use. Now, that is no longer the case.

3. PC is going to have friendly fire on. Smaller blast radius means that the rounds hit the enemy and not your team (if you're good).

I just wish we can get some info from Remnant or Wolfman on why such a drastic change or their perspective on how the weapon should be used. Not just the MD, but every weapon that suffered a nerf. Weapon variety created healthy counter play while giving both people on opposing ends of a weapon those meaningful choices to make and forced everyone to use their heads. Now after everything got nerfed, it's just another AR orgy with the TAR a cut above the rest. We need an arms race instead of a nerf war.

Well I'm sure they nerfed the blast radius of the MD because of a few things:

1. All the AR cryhards were getting killed by it too much.

2. Everyone was saying that it takes no skill to use. Now, that is no longer the case.

3. PC is going to have friendly fire on. Smaller blast radius means that the rounds hit the enemy and not your team (if you're good).

Wow you think because you named yourself Mass DRiver we should listen to you? Ive played against you MANY times in Pub matches and I PWND you each and every time.. You do NOT represent MY GUN.. You are a sellout.. NOw the gun actually takes skill? are your freakin kidding me? IT HAS 6 rounds in the clip with a total of only 20 shots.. and you have to be fully maxed out if you think your gonna reload faster ..

You cant even tell where your damn grenades are landing and NEITHER can the enemy.. THERE IS NO PUSHBACK Or AREA DENIAL.. if you do manage to hit them, the damage is laughable.. and telling 1 stupid story about how people got scared and you protected your heavy is just nonsense..

YOu only have to look at the server numbers and the overall kiddie version of AR514 that is now running , to see that PEOPLE HAVE VOTED WITH THEIR FEEET.. If you actually play the game its not a rumor.. there are NOTHING left cept AR's on the field..

ANd yet here you are, degrading and making stupid comments about the gun you supposedly use, in a desperat attempt to make people think you were actually good with that weapon.. and Im just bitchin cuz I cant AIM right? lol..

Basicly YOU SUCK WITH A MD.. and YOUR lies about how it works just fine are annoying.. I have no idea why you would be posting against a MD thread, and I dont really care what you motivations are.. (probly attention?) LIKE EVERYBODY LISTEN TO ME IM NAMED MASS DRIVER.. And IM REALLY GOOD :) .. lols

Ur a TOOOL.. and people should know that your full of it..

TBH the mass driver needed some kind of change as it was crazy last build if you knew how to build it correctly. Tiel (one of our imperfects) went with mass driver and he could 2 shot with splash dmg any standard and adv A type suit. He could even 1 shot adv heavies if he got a direct hit. I would watch him go to the bowl and if the enemies are all on the bown fighting he could empty the entire bowl by himself in 1 clip. Yea.......it was too crazy before. They nerfed the explosive radius. I think this is a good compromise rather than limiting your rounds in a mag back to 4 (I think thats what it was previously).

Only variables I can think of is he he had a rack full of damage mods, and if and MD can cause headshot damage.

I did, and it can. The fit I had with the skills I had did roughly 430/220 direct/splash per shot, before vs armor bonus and headshot bonus.