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Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
264
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:48:00 -
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Made a mistake and posted this in the "Feedback" section.
THIS POST IS FOR NICHE PLAYERS (and for assault players that recognize importance in game balance and good communication between a player base and a development team). TL;DR further down below.
It is NOT directed at CCP. I'm through wasting time out of my life coming to these forums. This is my final post on these forums period. Uprising just proved how much of a damn the feedback of niche players was worth to them.
I'm able to play just fine. I anticipated the game would become even more Assault role oriented, and I'm happy I changed my play style to Assault accordingly... I've been doing very well ever since.
...Wait, no... I'm not happy. IDGAF if I'm doing well as an assault. How I played and what role I played should have never had to change!
I was a sniper. I took pleasure in Dust's dynamic battlefield... where nearly every combat role could be experienced in a immersive and fulfilling way. You COULD have been the sniper, that supports his squad and team from super long distances. Not anymore... At least, not unless you're running a Thale's every match.
Dynamic sniper positions are gone, because people found it unfair to be sniped from a guy in a mountain, or anywhere else they couldn't easily reach. I tried to counter-argue this, and I tried to fight the good fight for my role on forums, and failed. Now there is no position a sniper can get on me, that I can't simply counter-snipe with my Tactical AR, or get to with ease, and they are relatively so close... there is no tactical penalty for "going out of your way" to get them.
The glory of Manus' Peak.... the actual mountain itself, is gone. That once great mountain is now nothing more than a painting on a skybox in the background! It's when I saw THAT, that I decided to put my points into Assault. The one map. The ONLY map, where snipers can establish complete dominance, was "fixed". Instead of Assault players, as "versatile" as they claim to be, adapting to the map, enough of them complained, and successfully got the map adapted to them instead.
Today, you have some good snipers, saying they're doing well. They claim they like Uprising. Yet play a match with them, and hear them complain about how their sniper rifles do **** damage to assaults. Assaults have HP totals so high they can tickle God's nose and pluck his eyebrows out. They eat sniper rounds and keep on going. (Again, unless it's a Thale's.) But clearly this was considered okay. It's supposed to take 3+ rounds for a sniper with a 5 round clip to kill someone. Fine. Fact and reality accepted. I can adapt. Sniper role therefore dropped. I can take out a chump at a similar range with 4-5 fast rounds with a Tactical AR. Sniper rifles can kiss my ass in this game. There is 100% no purpose to getting a long-range (CHARGED) shot "to finish off or weaken enemies for your squad". None. **** that. **** sniping. I can do the exact same ******* thing on the ground with a Tactical AR, fast feet, and a flanking position. Sniping was something to be reckoned with, when you couldn't easily find and access the sniper. Now it's a joke. A gigantic punch line.
Much better off sniping in Battlefield 3. It makes a difference there, and still takes a measure of skill.
Conclusion and TL;DR... I made some positive contributions to these forums, for the purpose of protecting a dynamic battlefield, in a very fun game, with loads of potential.
Here's one. Something myself and others brought up: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59539
Here's the feedback getting acknowledged for consideration [post #24]: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&p=2
Here's the result after Uprising launch: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73902&find=unread
This tells me, that I wasted my time. Every minute, of every debate, of every hour spent in-game "testing", and bringing feedback. Me being a Closed Beta Tester, bothering to argue with Open Beta Testers, to enlighten them about the progress we thought we were making... and even when the Open Beta guys finally saw what the Closed Beta guys were saying the whole time. It was too late, and it was a waste. I took pride in knowing my time contributed was helping to produce possibly one of the greatest games ever made. Instead, everything I ever said here on these forums mattered to the wrong people. It mattered to people, that couldn't change the game; and mattered not, to the ones that could.
I would quit Dust and leave, but I enjoy playing with my corp and alliance. Some of the funniest, goofiest, and yet most professional gamers I've had the privilege of playing with. For their sakes, I will play, and if and when they move on to another game, I will go with them.
But I will never, ever, EVER... post on these forums again.
And I will NEVER, EVER buy Aurum from CCP again. I encourage anyone and everyone that agrees with me to do the same. |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die
28
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:53:00 -
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Dam that's a stake through the heart but I feel you. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1411
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:00:00 -
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Another example of only one side of the story making it to the community. You see nothing but endless threads from non-snipers about how snipers are ruining the game, and what do we end up with?
Honestly, I think the only thing our current sniper weapons need is a little travel time on the shot, like Forge Gun rounds. With that one change, all the no-skill redline snipers would dissapear, and people like the OP could simply adapt and continue to kick ass. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
356
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:00:00 -
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Balance wise sniping is fine now, after controls are fixed.
Gameplay wise the route taken is to dumb down the game into objective assault pile ups. A promising tactical layer of field control is now only for railgun tanks.
I dislike it as the whole thinking game of "shall we stress field control or objective dominance" just got nerfed out. The unique strategic evolving battleground was taken out, because it's easier to do an assault focused thing. I think this is a shallow move: think of eve online and what it would be, if only blaster and torpedo ranged ships were in game after playerbase whining their torp raven gang can't hit the sniping rokh fleet. |
Otoky
DIOS EX.
57
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:06:00 -
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Im stick on snipeing but can denie that im less effective than before. Im an ambush sniper (close range, tactical rifle, headshots) but somehow I cant score the same amount than in chromosome.
Its not QQ, im still hopefull, but im not figured out what will be the new meta tactic... |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1475
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:21:00 -
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Sucks for you, it really does. I hate snipers on the other team, but that's because they're doing their jobs right. A corpmate summed up things about good snipers in my last match before uprising, his words were "that thale bastard, wish he was on our team". Snipers had a massively important role in preventing enemy movement, sucks to see them get nerfed like this. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2812
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:25:00 -
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Well since the update, my girlfriend hasn't picked the game up, and she's my pet Sniper, so I don't have a first-hand view of Sniping in Uprising. I've only seen one Sniper Rifle in the game, and the player using it was in a Militia suit in a 6 vs. 2 against a full squad of Protosuits with only me (on an alt with under 1 million SP), so he didn't really show me anything about how Sniping works. Got a kill with it, but not sure how much effort it took him to do so.. |
Hunter Junko
Bojo's School of the Trades
94
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:34:00 -
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had time to dust off my Trusty base sniper rifle this build, and as much as i like the pretty graphics, and the grass ( able to make SOME kills, i found it a nice challenge to lead the target) , the poor thing is gonna have to collect dust in the back of my personal armory.
if the balancing issues can be made before i reach event horizon on my dropships, then i'll give the sniper rifle another go. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
181
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:48:00 -
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Dude I gave you a +1 and I hate snipers with a passion. But I do support the idea that you should be able to do what makes you happy, and this has very obviously been an infringement upon you. I do not support CCPs move on this even one iota. Snipers did add to the dinamics of the game, and as much as I effin hated seeing you @$$ monkeys up on top of that giant mountain, I respected it as a legitimate tactic. Sorry to see you go. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
141
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:00:00 -
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Meh.
Sniping was/ is poorly implimented in dust
Fivetimesinfinity made interesting posts how to fix it. Don't know what happened to him though. |
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EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
263
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:08:00 -
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how can you take the game seriously when people that are in front of you do not appear
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=761478#post761478 |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:56:00 -
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I've skilled into sniping, which I don't regret, get to see my head shot and assist count now 8). The issue I'm having is damage seems low compared to last time, but that is being hindered by the weird micro second lag on the game still. Shots that were a given before are missing or blue shielding a lot, a fully shielded Caldari assault can laugh off headshots, light scouts just have to run and the mini lag their sprint causes makes them blue shield nearly every thing. (this isn't my connection, mine more than enough for gaming 45up 12-15 down ping on speed test usually in 50's).
Manus peak map is a great sniping map, if you start from below A, start from above B, it turns crap instantly. a lot of the maps are set to just feeding off scraps tho. Ambush is a hassle due to the "track and field" turbo gaming controllers, Assault AR's need a set RoF until you can figure how to block modded controllers.
But I'm still having fun with it, still getting to suport me team, I just have to accept a lot less shot/hit rate. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
251
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:00:00 -
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so, basically... WAH WAH I CAN'T HEADGLITCH AND ABUSE THE BROKEN RENDERING SYSTEM ANYMORE!
Buck up, buttercup. You're literally ****ing invisible to me at 300 meters because of new rendering problems. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:03:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:so, basically... WAH WAH I CAN'T HEADGLITCH AND ABUSE THE BROKEN RENDERING SYSTEM ANYMORE!
Buck up, buttercup. You're literally ****ing invisible to me at 300 meters because of new rendering problems.
Naw never was one to do that, and liking the peak didn't require that either. but 10/10 for effort... |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
251
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:06:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:so, basically... WAH WAH I CAN'T HEADGLITCH AND ABUSE THE BROKEN RENDERING SYSTEM ANYMORE!
Buck up, buttercup. You're literally ****ing invisible to me at 300 meters because of new rendering problems. Naw never was one to do that, and liking the peak didn't require that either. but 10/10 for effort...
Wasn't to you, it was to the op, Sorry about the mix up, should have been more clear. Editing original post to reflect. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:20:00 -
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All good, I sniped with Jath tho, we never "head glitched", actually used to be prety fun. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
109
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:25:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:So, basically the op is saying... WAH WAH I CAN'T HEADGLITCH AND ABUSE THE BROKEN RENDERING SYSTEM ANYMORE!
Buck up, buttercup. You're literally ****ing invisible to me at 300 meters because of new rendering problems.
EDIT: Edited to be accurate to my original sentiment. also missed a capitalization in my post the first time 'round.
I find this opinion funny, head glitching was the thing that drove snipers crazy, why do you think we wouldn't be happy to see it gone XD |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:29:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:So, basically the op is saying... WAH WAH I CAN'T HEADGLITCH AND ABUSE THE BROKEN RENDERING SYSTEM ANYMORE!
Buck up, buttercup. You're literally ****ing invisible to me at 300 meters because of new rendering problems.
EDIT: Edited to be accurate to my original sentiment. also missed a capitalization in my post the first time 'round. I find this opinion funny, head glitching was the thing that drove snipers crazy, why do you think we wouldn't be happy to see it gone XD
no ****, was annoying seeing a clear shot just to have it hit nothing. |
Snaps Tremor
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
161
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:37:00 -
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I'm sure it'll be back with the bigger maps, but I don't miss the end of Easy Mode Sniping. It was a stupid system built on glitches, misfiring effects and skyline crosshair scrubbing that sucked people out of the ground game when it needed them most. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
121
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:42:00 -
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Hmm. Whenever I sniped, I played more of an assault sniper role, using my scrambler when things got hairy, but at more a mid range with my sniper, in AR range, but just moving around after quick kills.
I havent tried the SR this build, but to me, the range decrease across the board would be a HUGE buff to snipers. I guess since I wasnt a mountain sniper, I wont have a problem with the map changes. I should try to snipe again...I have a feeling i will be OP with it since the tact AR's slight range dominance is already insane, I cant imagine the range dominance of the tact SR. |
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xxMemphis
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
9
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:43:00 -
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As much as I hated snipers before (not because they were OP because they did their job for the most part) I will say that at times they made some maps hide in the corner and wait for the shields to run or die...but it was fun and a challenge. I have played several games the last few days and have not seen or been killed by a sniper yet. I am sure I will start to see them soon as the I think the red lining will get even worse now with the range and proto suits everywhere but we will see. I hope they fix it all soon. I would much rather have an ugly game then what we have now. Sniper range, HMG range, AR all of it never bothered me...frustrating at time yes but you just move on and overcome it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3974
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:46:00 -
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Can I has stuff?
BTW sniping seems fine to me not sure what you're talking about... |
S0LlD SNAKE
PLAYSTATION4
34
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:52:00 -
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Adapt or Die |
Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
20
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:52:00 -
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I skilled into a scout sniper. I alternate between my Kaalakiota and my Ishukone sniper rifles. I'm killing erry thing. I don't see the issue... |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
121
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:29:00 -
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Yeah like I said, all the changes seem like a major major buff to snipers since the range of other guns has decreased and so has movement speed.
I can't help but think its only the hill snipers abusing redline mechanics and ****** terrain who feel slighted, because logically everything about this build is good for snipers. I guess, if you were so far out of combat nobody aside from other snipers shot at you, these changes wouldnt impact you. But if you were like me when I ever sniped, and did so from a pretty close range, and in the thick of things, this change is huge.
God, this thread makes me want to try sniping again. Seems like it should be way easier. |
Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
73
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:41:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Sucks for you, it really does. I hate snipers on the other team, but that's because they're doing their jobs right. A corpmate summed up things about good snipers in my last match before uprising, his words were "that thale bastard, wish he was on our team". Snipers had a massively important role in preventing enemy movement, sucks to see them get nerfed like this.
Aye its typically was no mans land outside the city because of good ol annoying snipers. |
Vickers S Grunt
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
80
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:44:00 -
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Cry me a ******* river dirt bag. |
Cosorvin
DUST University Ivy League
74
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Posted - 2013.05.08 15:49:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:Cry me a ******* river dirt bag.
overreacting a bit much? |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
92
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Posted - 2013.05.08 16:30:00 -
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Hmm. Interesting post Jath, sorry to see you fall from our ranks I agree, probably less emphatically, that the role has been diminished in uprising. I've just put quite a few skill points into the sniper skills again this build, and I'm finding myself very ambivalent about it at the moment. Here are a number of the changes I've noticed initially:
1. Maps have changed for the worse. Where are the overwatch positions? I don't feel like I can take good advantage of my range anymore, limited as it is compared to chromosome. Also, finding I have trouble rendering players past a certain range? 2. Hit boxes on players seem smaller. Shooting the "gimme" shots that I made 9/10 times in chromosome, and hitting maybe 1/15 in uprising. This is especially relevant trying to shoot people who are sprinting in straight lines. Can't seem to hit them at all, where these shots were very easy in chromosome. I'm unsure at this stage whether it is just be a case of getting used to it, or a functional bug. 3. Increased sway after ADS. This is probably one of the biggest changes that I've noticed, even with SR Operation 5. Definitely something that I'll need to get used to, but this is definitely making quick shots after ADSing a lot harder. 4. While there has been a general increase in FPS (for the very much better), I've noticed that when ADSing at range, players seem to get "choppy" and have a teleporting type effect, which seems vastly different to any lag related movement issues in chromosome. It doesn't feel as though it's latency related, and is quite frustrating. 5. Damage. This doesn't seem to be a massive difference, but it is noticeable. Obviously just the effect of losing the passive weaponry buff, but is something I can live with. However, is much more noticeable with the decrease in SP requirement to skill into prototype suits (basic). Stop running protos you bastards! 6. Haven't had a head glitching issue yet. This makes me happy beyond words. 7. Aiming sensitivity - very uncomfortable at the moment. Probably just an issue of me getting used to it. To those who think that it feels the same or easier: what sensitivity settings are you using?
These are just initial observations, but I feel like it's obvious that a number of factors have indirectly limited the effectiveness of snipers quite a bit. This is obviously very frustrating, but I will reassess how i feel about the aiming and hit changes in a couple of weeks to see if I can get used to it.
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Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
26
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Posted - 2013.05.08 19:26:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:Hmm. Interesting post Jath, sorry to see you fall from our ranks I agree, probably less emphatically, that the role has been diminished in uprising. I've just put quite a few skill points into the sniper skills again this build, and I'm finding myself very ambivalent about it at the moment. Here are a number of the changes I've noticed initially: 1. Maps have changed for the worse. Where are the overwatch positions? I don't feel like I can take good advantage of my range anymore, limited as it is compared to chromosome. Also, finding I have trouble rendering players past a certain range? 2. Hit boxes on players seem smaller. Shooting the "gimme" shots that I made 9/10 times in chromosome, and hitting maybe 1/15 in uprising. This is especially relevant trying to shoot people who are sprinting in straight lines. Can't seem to hit them at all, where these shots were very easy in chromosome. I'm unsure at this stage whether it is just be a case of getting used to it, or a functional bug. 3. Increased sway after ADS. This is probably one of the biggest changes that I've noticed, even with SR Operation 5. Definitely something that I'll need to get used to, but this is definitely making quick shots after ADSing a lot harder. 4. While there has been a general increase in FPS (for the very much better), I've noticed that when ADSing at range, players seem to get "choppy" and have a teleporting type effect, which seems vastly different to any lag related movement issues in chromosome. It doesn't feel as though it's latency related, and is quite frustrating. 5. Damage. This doesn't seem to be a massive difference, but it is noticeable. Obviously just the effect of losing the passive weaponry buff, but is something I can live with. However, is much more noticeable with the decrease in SP requirement to skill into prototype suits (basic). Stop running protos you bastards! 6. Haven't had a head glitching issue yet. This makes me happy beyond words. 7. Aiming sensitivity - very uncomfortable at the moment. Probably just an issue of me getting used to it. To those who think that it feels the same or easier: what sensitivity settings are you using? These are just initial observations, but I feel like it's obvious that a number of factors have indirectly limited the effectiveness of snipers quite a bit. This is obviously very frustrating, but I will reassess how i feel about the aiming and hit changes in a couple of weeks to see if I can get used to it.
Fully agree |
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Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
38
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Posted - 2013.05.08 19:35:00 -
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I've noticed a lot fewer snipers since Uprising. I thought it may have just been me. I actually became accustom to snipers on maps. After a while, they didn't bother me as much and Manus Peaks had become my favorite map only weeks before Uprising as a heavy or logistics. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
108
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Posted - 2013.05.08 19:39:00 -
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So you can't use your exploited mountain range anymore, so suddenly snipers are useless?
Everyone cried about that mountain because YOU could snipe with impunity and NO ONE could hit you back without being very, very lucky. You relied on that without realizing it, and now you actually have to move when you shoot to keep away from counter snipers.
Adapt or die, welcome to new eden. |
Appia Vibbia
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Can I has stuff?
BTW sniping seems fine to me not sure what you're talking about...
I'd like to know what you are talking about. . . You don't have rendering issues? You can still see all the structures from one end of a Skirmish map to the other? You don't see anyone teleporting running or far away? You haven't noticed people shrug off 2 headshots and keep going? The sniper is having more blue-shield effects than before, you aren't?
Because that's what is happening on everyone else's end, or are these just not problems to you? |
Drako Alundi
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:05:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Dude I gave you a +1 and I hate snipers with a passion. But I do support the idea that you should be able to do what makes you happy, and this has very obviously been an infringement upon you. I do not support CCPs move on this even one iota. Snipers did add to the dinamics of the game, and as much as I effin hated seeing you @$$ monkeys up on top of that giant mountain, I respected it as a legitimate tactic. Sorry to see you go.
Hear hear brother! |
Drako Alundi
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:06:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:Cry me a ******* river dirt bag.
It's idiots like you who ruin this game. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
207
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:20:00 -
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Hmm, I found my tactical sniper rifle a bit under powered when uprising came along.
I've had to skill into a big of extra damage per shot (and the damage mod). On some maps I notice there are choke points as the enemy moves into a new area to dominate an objective. This is a great place to keep picking at them. If you hit once or twice and they aren't dead they are still engaged with closer players and you can finish the job after a reload.
I've also gotten better at holding an objective. As long as it isn't gang hacked I can usually pick off lone hackers and keep the thing from falling into the wrong hands.
If you play to win the map, or at least play to have a measurable effect if the rest of the blueberries suck, it's fun. I've never dominated with top of the chart numbers so I don't have that as a letdown to ruin my fun. As long as I generally give better then I get I'm happy.
Oh yeah, I'm still sporting the dragonfly suit and don't have the suit role bonuses yet either.
To the OP, adapt a bit. It's probably a lot different that it was... but you can find new ways to get the job done as long as you aren't only happy with KB/M driven 30/0 type scores. |
Nariec
Carbon 7
5
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:21:00 -
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I never had problems with Snipers up the mountain, gives the game more challenge when out fighting on the field. I specially enjoyed fighting other snipers, trying to kill the other one before he kills you, my adrenaline would always go up when I'm up against other snipers on the other side of the map.
But I do hate the SNIPER TANKS up on the mountains, specially on Manus Peak, no one can get close to them, but when the Dropship Flight ceiling has been raised UP, and the addition of Assault Dropships, the other side can easily call in those so they can get close to those tanks.
I wish CCP would give us back the old scale map where it used to be HUGE, and bring back Manus Peak, because that map just doesn't feel like well, Manus Peak without that Peak. |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
96
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:53:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:So you can't use your exploited mountain range anymore, so suddenly snipers are useless?
Everyone cried about that mountain because YOU could snipe with impunity and NO ONE could hit you back without being very, very lucky. You relied on that without realizing it, and now you actually have to move when you shoot to keep away from counter snipers.
Adapt or die, welcome to new eden.
No, It's not about that. It's about the fact that there are no positions that allow us to take good battlefield over watch. I could care less if its accessible by other players, I'll just kill them as they come to get me |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
207
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Posted - 2013.05.09 03:03:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:No, It's not about that. It's about the fact that there are no positions that allow us to take good battlefield over watch. I could care less if its accessible by other players, I'll just kill them as they come to get me
Depending on what map you are on there are some very good places to have a good view of reds within reasonable shootin range. These are places where an enemy sniper will find it very difficult to be in a position to counter-snipe. Good times!
You don' t have to be perched a mile high to dominate a region of the map (get many kills and disrupt the enemy) as opposed to dominating the entire map. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.05.09 03:15:00 -
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I am still sniping no problem. But then again I was never hiding in the mountains in the first place... so this does not apply to me at all ;) |
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Step-Away-Slowly
CERULEAN HEIGHTS
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:10:00 -
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I have only been playing this game for almost two months, with 2.9 mill sp total. I was able to perform any duty required of my team. I could snipe but wasn't great at taking out mobile infantry. I mainly focused on counter sniping when i noticed an enemy sniper was doing some real damage. I loved the challenge of finding that sniper, then sneaking into a good spot and taking him out. That was probably the most fun I had in this game... Some of the sniper battles I've been in were pretty epic. Each of us afraid to move for fear of the other ready for us to pop out from behind cover. The only thing that should have changed is the headglitching/ blue shielding problem, not take out the spots all together. Another thing mentioned all over this post is the changed dynamics of shooting the SR. It may take some getting used to, but it's not something i am really enthused enough about to keep trying it. It seems as if though i am going to have to become a skilled assault player that can "outheavy a heavy".
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:36:00 -
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I never saw snipers being in remote places as being a "negative". My problem was with snipers getting in redline/etc. places where you literally couldn't approach them on foot without dying to a hard-coded game mechanic.
The other big problem is the texture/terrain glitch, and it struck a lot harder when attempting to fire "up" at snipers in places like the mountains (that the OP remembered fondly). Sniping logically calls for counter-sniping, but there's an inherent issue there when you can't actually return fire because your rounds will hit invisible barriers. There's a similar problem when Sharpshooter and a weapon like the Thale's could give an opponent a huge range advantage.
Those sorts of things combined with things like sniping "inside" the redline area. Maybe the OP was a solid sniper, I don't know. However the spirit of the "hard to get to" snipers isn't really there when it's impossible to pursue a person deep inside their redzone, but they can pick you off with ease with an officer rifle while benefiting from a texture glitch that blocks shots at the same time.
I like sniping. I didn't see the "fix" as flattening the mountains though. They need to fix the texture/terrain/collision elements of the game. However, all I've noticed post-uprising is my characters getting "stuck" on terrain all over the place, like I'm running into invisible bear traps. I've also noticed at long range, enemy snipers sometimes won't even render, meaning you can't do something like... aim at their head. The game's a mess right now, they have some work to do. |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.10 11:35:00 -
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I have played a lot more skirmishes recently, and I have indeed noticed that past 400m I can't render any players. This, coupled with the poor over watch on many maps makes me almost redundant in skirmishes, so it looks like I'll be sticking to ambushes for the time being. The aiming is feeling a lot better the more I've practiced with it though. For all of you having trouble with sensitivity on the DS3, I've found X:60 and Y:50 to work well! |
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