DUST Search - Swarm launchers not doing enough damage...

Still blazn wrote:

pegasis prime wrote:

Coleman Gray wrote:

As a tanker I actually agree, I'm wary of swarms when I see them but unless theres a few I don't panic (unless theres lik 3-5 guys all aiming for me) Considering you need to specc into swarm launchers as a weapon choice they perform poorly when compared to AV grenades.

This is a mechanic that was intended .

1 swarm launcher is worrying if they get into a good position and set up an av nest and they can denie you acces to vital areas of the map whare your infantry needs support.

2 swarms working with each other can make me retreat to the red line .

3 or more swarmers that are working together can destroy my tank .

If you throw in a forge gun with any of the above you will get me on edge and if you push me hard enough I might make a mistake and you will have the upper hand. Also with the 6 man squads it is now verry easy to get that OB and when you do time that drop allong with some av my tank is pretty much toast. It is supposed to be a teameffort to break me(I dont mean the whole team but at least 2-4 mercs working as a unit) ps 1 proto forge in a good position =dead tank. At the moment most peaople have specked for anti infantry but in time we WILL see more and more av fits coming on to the field as people max out their anti infantry wepons. Happy hunting.

Im finding this "find another one of you " logic pretty faulty.. and Ive seen this excuse for heavies and MD's lol.. so its really not valid.. How many people in a pub match have fully speccd AV gear? And then they would need a mic.. and then .. you get the point.. chances are slim to NONE..

Everyone plays their own role and expects to get kills by themself.. this whole run in a mob mentality is like the New Eden socialism.. and homey dont play that.. Its a nice thought if you are in a high level clan battle and it was planned that way.. then you have a valid point..
But the vast majority of us the majority of the time will be ALONE.. maybe 4 mics on a team if its a good day.. doesnt leave a lot of room for Having double maxed out AV trees..

IMO another prime example of nerf wars gone wild..

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Still blazn Planetary Response Organisation 3	Posted - 2013.05.08 10:45:00 - [1] - Quote Well I had a heavy.. Saw the writing on the wall speccd fully into Swarm launchers w/ proficiency etc.. full tree I really cant kill a dropship or tank for the life of me anymore.. Just spent an entire match following 2 dropships around.. With all shots connecting before he can run.. went through all my clip.. reloaded.. kept chasing him landing every shot.. Soon depeted all my ammo.. droppd nano. reload.. STILL he wont drop.. Literally went through all the Nano reserves.. still couldnt kill one guy.. I know he was shielded etc, thats not the point a guy who fully specs into an Anti Vehicle weapon expects to kill a vehicle at some point.. Is this how you intended a Maxed out Swarm launcher to perform? In the meantime im dying left and right from a steady onslaught of AR's... game has lost that loving feeling.. Would appreciate this weapon be looked at as well.. this is just WRONG.
The Loathing The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2013.05.08 10:51:00 - [2] - Quote Hmm, swarms were never the efficient AV in Chromosome. But it would be nice if they gave them a bit more of a buff this time around. I'm using an AUR advanced swarm atm since my talent at Forges last built was nothing exceptional. I actually think they have improved, but it is still quite an effort to bring down a Dropship solo. I would suggest squadding with other Swarm enthusiasts. A joint effort would be a force to be reckoned with.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 254	Posted - 2013.05.08 11:21:00 - [3] - Quote As a tanker I actually agree, I'm wary of swarms when I see them but unless theres a few I don't panic (unless theres lik 3-5 guys all aiming for me) Considering you need to specc into swarm launchers as a weapon choice they perform poorly when compared to AV grenades.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1031	Posted - 2013.05.08 11:22:00 - [4] - Quote How about not running solo? ******* joker. And did you say a Heavy with Swarm? Jesus Christ dafuq is wrong with you? Can't tell if srs or trollin' :(
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 254	Posted - 2013.05.08 11:26:00 - [5] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: How about not running solo? ******* joker. And did you say a Heavy with Swarm? Jesus Christ dafuq is wrong with you? Can't tell if srs or trollin' :( To be fair going heavy to be anti vehicle makes more sense than using squisher suits.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. 132	Posted - 2013.05.08 11:46:00 - [6] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: How about not running solo? ******* joker. And did you say a Heavy with Swarm? Jesus Christ dafuq is wrong with you? Can't tell if srs or trollin' :( To be fair going heavy to be anti vehicle makes more sense than using squisher suits. Especially given the flavour text of the suit...
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 348	Posted - 2013.05.08 11:51:00 - [7] - Quote well i can say swarms are doing the correct damage.
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 161	Posted - 2013.05.08 12:01:00 - [8] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: As a tanker I actually agree, I'm wary of swarms when I see them but unless theres a few I don't panic (unless theres lik 3-5 guys all aiming for me) Considering you need to specc into swarm launchers as a weapon choice they perform poorly when compared to AV grenades. This is a mechanic that was intended . 1 swarm launcher is worrying if they get into a good position and set up an av nest and they can denie you acces to vital areas of the map whare your infantry needs support. 2 swarms working with each other can make me retreat to the red line . 3 or more swarmers that are working together can destroy my tank . If you throw in a forge gun with any of the above you will get me on edge and if you push me hard enough I might make a mistake and you will have the upper hand. Also with the 6 man squads it is now verry easy to get that OB and when you do time that drop allong with some av my tank is pretty much toast. It is supposed to be a teameffort to break me(I dont mean the whole team but at least 2-4 mercs working as a unit) ps 1 proto forge in a good position =dead tank. At the moment most peaople have specked for anti infantry but in time we WILL see more and more av fits coming on to the field as people max out their anti infantry wepons. Happy hunting.
Still blazn Planetary Response Organisation 3	Posted - 2013.05.08 12:12:00 - [9] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: As a tanker I actually agree, I'm wary of swarms when I see them but unless theres a few I don't panic (unless theres lik 3-5 guys all aiming for me) Considering you need to specc into swarm launchers as a weapon choice they perform poorly when compared to AV grenades. This is a mechanic that was intended . 1 swarm launcher is worrying if they get into a good position and set up an av nest and they can denie you acces to vital areas of the map whare your infantry needs support. 2 swarms working with each other can make me retreat to the red line . 3 or more swarmers that are working together can destroy my tank . If you throw in a forge gun with any of the above you will get me on edge and if you push me hard enough I might make a mistake and you will have the upper hand. Also with the 6 man squads it is now verry easy to get that OB and when you do time that drop allong with some av my tank is pretty much toast. It is supposed to be a teameffort to break me(I dont mean the whole team but at least 2-4 mercs working as a unit) ps 1 proto forge in a good position =dead tank. At the moment most peaople have specked for anti infantry but in time we WILL see more and more av fits coming on to the field as people max out their anti infantry wepons. Happy hunting. Im finding this "find another one of you " logic pretty faulty.. and Ive seen this excuse for heavies and MD's lol.. so its really not valid.. How many people in a pub match have fully speccd AV gear? And then they would need a mic.. and then .. you get the point.. chances are slim to NONE.. Everyone plays their own role and expects to get kills by themself.. this whole run in a mob mentality is like the New Eden socialism.. and homey dont play that.. Its a nice thought if you are in a high level clan battle and it was planned that way.. then you have a valid point.. But the vast majority of us the majority of the time will be ALONE.. maybe 4 mics on a team if its a good day.. doesnt leave a lot of room for Having double maxed out AV trees.. IMO another prime example of nerf wars gone wild..
The Loathing The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 00:04:00 - [10] - Quote Still blazn wrote: Im finding this "find another one of you " logic pretty faulty.. and Ive seen this excuse for heavies and MD's lol.. so its really not valid.. How many people in a pub match have fully speccd AV gear? And then they would need a mic.. and then .. you get the point.. chances are slim to NONE.. Everyone plays their own role and expects to get kills by themself.. this whole run in a mob mentality is like the New Eden socialism.. and homey dont play that.. Its a nice thought if you are in a high level clan battle and it was planned that way.. then you have a valid point.. But the vast majority of us the majority of the time will be ALONE.. maybe 4 mics on a team if its a good day.. doesnt leave a lot of room for Having double maxed out AV trees.. IMO another prime example of nerf wars gone wild.. See I disagree. If you have joined Dust to just play solo you are missing the point. It's still a valid play style, but you don't play Dust for the Pub matches. There are plenty of other more appropriate shooters for lone wolves. Dust has always focused on player Corps because its mission statement is to bring players together in organised and cohesive units. Join a Corp or meet people in team chat and get organised so AV attacks are coordinated and effective. BF3 did that a bit with Javelins and SOFLAM. Dust is about taking that organisation to another level.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 354	Posted - 2013.05.09 00:34:00 - [11] - Quote trust me they work wonders on armor, and bad on shields which is intended and balanced, the plasma cannon is coming for a light AV that's good on shields. they do the damage they should and there is no need for a fix to them.
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.05.09 01:48:00 - [12] - Quote I am running an advanced (not proto) AV fit, and I kill most tanks and dropships in 3-4 volleys of Swarm... except when the tanker/pilot has really invested in his/her tank or dropship, And I think it should be that way. I haven't looked at the price of tanks for this new build, but I imagine it must be costly to truely invest in them. Cheap tanks and dropships are a breeze to blow, I can always tell who has put serious investment in their vehicles or not.
Psychotic Shooter Opus Arcana Orion Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 01:54:00 - [13] - Quote Still blazn wrote: Well I had a heavy.. Saw the writing on the wall speccd fully into Swarm launchers w/ proficiency etc.. full tree I really cant kill a dropship or tank for the life of me anymore.. Just spent an entire match following 2 dropships around.. With all shots connecting before he can run.. went through all my clip.. reloaded.. kept chasing him landing every shot.. Soon depeted all my ammo.. droppd nano. reload.. STILL he wont drop.. Literally went through all the Nano reserves.. still couldnt kill one guy.. I know he was shielded etc, thats not the point a guy who fully specs into an Anti Vehicle weapon expects to kill a vehicle at some point.. Is this how you intended a Maxed out Swarm launcher to perform? In the meantime im dying left and right from a steady onslaught of AR's... game has lost that loving feeling.. Would appreciate this weapon be looked at as well.. this is just WRONG. Swarms are doing the correct damage you can kill a dropship or tank on you own so squad up and get someone to help you before i blast you helmet off with my tank
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 568	Posted - 2013.05.09 01:55:00 - [14] - Quote RINON114 wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: How about not running solo? ******* joker. And did you say a Heavy with Swarm? Jesus Christ dafuq is wrong with you? Can't tell if srs or trollin' :( To be fair going heavy to be anti vehicle makes more sense than using squisher suits. Especially given the flavour text of the suit... And since the Swarm Launcher probably does more damage to infantry than the HMG Anyway, swarms should get a bit more oomph for their investment compared to AV grenades. You can carry 'nades 24/7, but giving up a light weapon slot for an AV weapon should give you more bang for your buck. Balance and all that...
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 424	Posted - 2013.05.09 01:55:00 - [15] - Quote Swarms are fine. You should try not running solo, and also not trying to take down a dropship when there are more pressing concerns such as infantry. You probably kept that DS from doing anything the pilot wanted to do effectively. Plus; if I spent the entire match trying to take down 1 enemy, they could probably lead me on a wild goose chase too, regardless of them being in a vehicle or on foot. That would not be a good reason to say the weapon I used in the effort was UP.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 96	Posted - 2013.05.09 02:50:00 - [16] - Quote Still blazn wrote: Well I had a heavy.. Saw the writing on the wall speccd fully into Swarm launchers w/ proficiency etc.. full tree I really cant kill a dropship or tank for the life of me anymore.. Just spent an entire match following 2 dropships around.. With all shots connecting before he can run.. went through all my clip.. reloaded.. kept chasing him landing every shot.. Soon depeted all my ammo.. droppd nano. reload.. STILL he wont drop.. Literally went through all the Nano reserves.. still couldnt kill one guy.. I know he was shielded etc, thats not the point a guy who fully specs into an Anti Vehicle weapon expects to kill a vehicle at some point.. Is this how you intended a Maxed out Swarm launcher to perform? In the meantime im dying left and right from a steady onslaught of AR's... game has lost that loving feeling.. Would appreciate this weapon be looked at as well.. this is just WRONG. I saw a Wikrym Swarmer kill a tank solo earlier today.... Swarmer's / Javelins shouldn`t do much damage considering they are light weapons and lock on, advance swarmer's are decent and proto are powerful (NOT OP) in my eyes (A pilot) and if the anti armor starter fits group up they can take me down, other wise they are just distractions but that's the way it should be. (note, the ladder topic of my reply wasn`t saying you said those things, but smacks down any guys who didn`t spec into the skills who want an easy kill).
843 Unorthadox Hunter BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 6	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:07:00 - [17] - Quote Notice that he said he was a heavy but he had nano hives so I think this guy is a big joke that wants to just kill Tanks with a militia swarm launchers.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 96	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:11:00 - [18] - Quote 843 Unorthadox Hunter wrote: Notice that he said he was a heavy but he had nano hives so I think this guy is a big joke that wants to just kill Tanks with a militia swarm launchers. I just went back and looked and your right, although they are on different lines but the way he states it, its in the same story....if the Author can explain that be nice...
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:20:00 - [19] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Swarms are fine. You should try not running solo, and also not trying to take down a dropship when there are more pressing concerns such as infantry. You probably kept that DS from doing anything the pilot wanted to do effectively. Plus; if I spent the entire match trying to take down 1 enemy, they could probably lead me on a wild goose chase too, regardless of them being in a vehicle or on foot. That would not be a good reason to say the weapon I used in the effort was UP. That is a good valid point, never though of it that way, many time did I cause tanks and dropships to retreat giving my squad valuable time on the field to advance. Scare tactics. Lol, I have used often similar tactics when faced with tight infantry groups, throw in a grenade and watch them run for dear life as they try to escape an AV grenade. Haha, never gets old.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:43:00 - [20] - Quote Still blazn wrote: Well I had a heavy.. Saw the writing on the wall speccd fully into Swarm launchers w/ proficiency etc.. full tree I really cant kill a dropship or tank for the life of me anymore.. Just spent an entire match following 2 dropships around.. With all shots connecting before he can run.. went through all my clip.. reloaded.. kept chasing him landing every shot.. Soon depeted all my ammo.. droppd nano. reload.. STILL he wont drop.. Literally went through all the Nano reserves.. still couldnt kill one guy.. I know he was shielded etc, thats not the point a guy who fully specs into an Anti Vehicle weapon expects to kill a vehicle at some point.. Is this how you intended a Maxed out Swarm launcher to perform? In the meantime im dying left and right from a steady onslaught of AR's... game has lost that loving feeling.. Would appreciate this weapon be looked at as well.. this is just WRONG. Yeah and when i say i prefer using AV grenades people say im just lazy for not Respec'n into swarms LOL. Killing anything but a Milita Tank or a Milita LAV with a swarm launcher is a dream

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2832	Posted - 2013.05.09 05:17:00 - [21] - Quote Skilled into swarms, but I was on the wrong side of a pubstomp where the other team had a Gunnlogi and a Myron bombarding us. I didn't want to throw away good suits, so I brought my modded Starter Fit. Drops a damage mod for a Shield Extender so I don't die to HMG fire (anything else will still kill me), brought an Armour Repairer and my own Nanohive. Had a friendly Logi spitting out Nanohives faster than I could use them. I soloed the Gunnlogi AND the Myron. Took a while, and the Myron was a harder kill than the Gunnlogi (because it could actually outrun the missiles), but every time it came in, I hit it HARD and FAST. It retreated and recovered its shields, but each time I cracked them, I chipped away a little more armour. Then I managed to arc one shot away from the Dropship while another went on a more direct line, the two volleys hit almost simultaneously as it was about to start running again. BOOM.
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.05.09 05:30:00 - [22] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Skilled into swarms, but I was on the wrong side of a pubstomp where the other team had a Gunnlogi and a Myron bombarding us. I didn't want to throw away good suits, so I brought my modded Starter Fit. Drops a damage mod for a Shield Extender so I don't die to HMG fire (anything else will still kill me), brought an Armour Repairer and my own Nanohive. Had a friendly Logi spitting out Nanohives faster than I could use them. I soloed the Gunnlogi AND the Myron. Took a while, and the Myron was a harder kill than the Gunnlogi (because it could actually outrun the missiles), but every time it came in, I hit it HARD and FAST. It retreated and recovered its shields, but each time I cracked them, I chipped away a little more armour. Then I managed to arc one shot away from the Dropship while another went on a more direct line, the two volleys hit almost simultaneously as it was about to start running again. BOOM. Nice I need to make myself a cheaper fit as I'm not making any isk right now... but I love my advanced Swarm so much.
Still blazn BLaQ Heavy CORP 5	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:45:00 - [23] - Quote Getting totally fed up.. I had to give up my Heavy because of this ridiculous nerf.. So i decided Hey I have enough to totally MAX out the Swarm that should be fun. Wrong.. the gun is broken just like every other weapon EXCEPT the AR.. Deal with the truth.. Im not playing .. Maybe Ill come back and see if they decide to pull their heads out...
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 108	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:01:00 - [24] - Quote Still blazn wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: As a tanker I actually agree, I'm wary of swarms when I see them but unless theres a few I don't panic (unless theres lik 3-5 guys all aiming for me) Considering you need to specc into swarm launchers as a weapon choice they perform poorly when compared to AV grenades. This is a mechanic that was intended . 1 swarm launcher is worrying if they get into a good position and set up an av nest and they can denie you acces to vital areas of the map whare your infantry needs support. 2 swarms working with each other can make me retreat to the red line . 3 or more swarmers that are working together can destroy my tank . If you throw in a forge gun with any of the above you will get me on edge and if you push me hard enough I might make a mistake and you will have the upper hand. Also with the 6 man squads it is now verry easy to get that OB and when you do time that drop allong with some av my tank is pretty much toast. It is supposed to be a teameffort to break me(I dont mean the whole team but at least 2-4 mercs working as a unit) ps 1 proto forge in a good position =dead tank. At the moment most peaople have specked for anti infantry but in time we WILL see more and more av fits coming on to the field as people max out their anti infantry wepons. Happy hunting. Im finding this "find another one of you " logic pretty faulty.. and Ive seen this excuse for heavies and MD's lol.. so its really not valid.. How many people in a pub match have fully speccd AV gear? And then they would need a mic.. and then .. you get the point.. chances are slim to NONE.. Everyone plays their own role and expects to get kills by themself.. this whole run in a mob mentality is like the New Eden socialism.. and homey dont play that.. Its a nice thought if you are in a high level clan battle and it was planned that way.. then you have a valid point.. But the vast majority of us the majority of the time will be ALONE.. maybe 4 mics on a team if its a good day.. doesnt leave a lot of room for Having double maxed out AV trees.. IMO another prime example of nerf wars gone wild.. This is not a solo game. This is not COD. If you play to solo, you're playing the wrong game.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 299	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:10:00 - [25] - Quote I've got a dropship and I'm ineffective without other players in it: I need to work in a group setting to be useful. Why should just one of you get to take out my ship which now costs over a million ISK?
Still blazn BLaQ Heavy CORP 5	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:51:00 - [26] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: I've got a dropship and I'm ineffective without other players in it: I need to work in a group setting to be useful. Why should just one of you get to take out my ship which now costs over a million ISK? Well for 1 because I SPent 6 mill SP's to spec fully into AN ANTI FRICKN VEHICLE BUILD... thats why.. And you really think there are 2 fully speccd Swarms in ANY pub match on same team? WITH MICS? ya... faulty logic.. It should take 1 clip with the Swarm AT MOST to take down the most heavily shielded Dropship... PERIOD
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 141	Posted - 2013.05.09 17:39:00 - [27] - Quote Still blazn wrote: Halador Osiris wrote: I've got a dropship and I'm ineffective without other players in it: I need to work in a group setting to be useful. Why should just one of you get to take out my ship which now costs over a million ISK? Well for 1 because I SPent 6 mill SP's to spec fully into AN ANTI FRICKN VEHICLE BUILD... thats why.. And you really think there are 2 fully speccd Swarms in ANY pub match on same team? WITH MICS? ya... faulty logic.. It should take 1 clip with the Swarm AT MOST to take down the most heavily shielded Dropship... PERIOD That would ruin the fun.
Charlotte O'Dell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 321	Posted - 2013.05.09 18:32:00 - [28] - Quote Gtfo. I got killed by 3 adv swarms yesterday. That was reasonable. No sarcasm.
Charlotte O'Dell Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 321	Posted - 2013.05.09 18:34:00 - [29] - Quote Still blazn wrote: Halador Osiris wrote: I've got a dropship and I'm ineffective without other players in it: I need to work in a group setting to be useful. Why should just one of you get to take out my ship which now costs over a million ISK? Well for 1 because I SPent 6 mill SP's to spec fully into AN ANTI FRICKN VEHICLE BUILD... thats why.. And you really think there are 2 fully speccd Swarms in ANY pub match on same team? WITH MICS? ya... faulty logic.. It should take 1 clip with the Swarm AT MOST to take down the most heavily shielded Dropship... PERIOD If your swarms coated 1 mil i would agree but they don't. Gtfo and play bf3
Jax Thrife L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 12	Posted - 2013.05.09 18:48:00 - [30] - Quote The reason why you think swarms are not doing the dmg they are supposed to is because there are a lot of shield tanks instead of armor and shields handle swarms very well. Well standard and below at least. If you want to get a shield tank down either use AV grenades or a forge gun.



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