No deal on general New Eden principles. Be lucky we got a respec at all. In EVE when new content gets added, players are stuck with their skills whether power creep issues arise or something got nerfed to novelty. If people can just pay to respec whenever they want, it destroys the impact of your decisions to invest into something.

Skill respec is only valid because there are skills where the description doesn't match the effect provided.

They have no right to charge us for THEIR mistakes causing us to skill into useless things, or overskill into things that are currently not working as intended. Regardless of which problem is the case, it's a problem caused by CCP's own mistake, not by players making bad decisions.

hmm.. In general, what if you had to pay SPs to respec?

Say 500k SPs to resepec. As many times as you want to afford it.

But! With regards to this point and time.. I think a respec on the 14th makes sense.

- not all content was released so some people are doing things blind. honestly, if they had released everything- I'd say no respec as well.

- the skill system currently has black holes. For example- if you spec into dropsuit command. Anyone who specs to level 5 is a sucker right now. Spec'ing past 4 for 155k+SP nets you nothing. In the past build it equated to a 5% decrease in your sig. this build it's 0. So the system is obviously not finished or in error, etc. Dropsuit Command is another black hole trap. After level 3 you get no benefit. HEavies are opened at lv 3. To pay lv 4&5 is another expensive black hole with no explanation of any future benefits.. or how far into the future those benefits are.


CCP changed a lot of their approach to what was being released and what wasn't.

So to me, it seems fair and not really a big deal to call it a tester showcase week (CCP made it into one), and on full release when they release everything everyone gets to start fresh. If CCP can start fresh, so should everyone else.

and like the other thread- full disclosure on my part- I would respec everything exactly the way i already did. I read everything, budgeted, tested, and am very happy with my choices. The only sadness I have is I was short 50K SP to get a decent weapon after all was said and done. 10.8m SP just wasn't enough ;)

You guys are missing another point that I regretfully didn't think of a the time. Wouldn't it just seem like a big money grab on CCP's part or make people think this game is P2W?
What Dust 514 really needs is a certificate system similar to what EVE Online has. For every ship you want to skill into, there's a set of guidelines on what recommended skills you would need to pilot it with click and learn shortcuts. Do the same for drop suits in Dust, and it'll cut down on a lot of buyers remorse. It would be good for new players coming into the game to so they don't just wast those 500k SP like most of us did starting out.

So this is the excuse for people going bat sh@t crazy? I wonder how many broken skills we had last build? I want to see how many people blew all their sp going straight into proto on day one and how many of those people are wanting refunds....

If a skill is broken, give the player that sp back for that skill....simple

If a skill is broken, give the player that sp back for that skill....simple

It would be that simple if it wasn't a skill that literally completely invalidates the entire concept of vehicle fittings by being broken.

Our +5% PG skill doesn't give +5% PG. It supposedly gives a 5% reduction in CPU cost for PG modules, but on my tank, it doesn't seem to be doing that either. And while some people have said otherwise, my Electronics skill doesn't seem to have applied the relevant 5% CPU increase either.

When you literally can't skill into vehicles because of broken skills not working as described, and you find out after skilling into several aspects of the vehicle before realising the skills don't work, only refunding the broken skills isn't a solution. I can't fit a tank as I had planned, and as I had worked out I should be able to, and as such, I'm not going to run tanks on that character. It's an alt with a fairly tight SP limit, not my main, so I don't have SP to spare on a series of broken skills that don't apply their bonuses as advertised, and without those skills, I'm going to need to respec completely. ALL the skills that have issues need fixing and refunding, and if they aren't being fixed to match the current descriptions, then a FULL respec is needed. Or at least the whole vehicle tree needs to be refunded.

EDIT: although even then, the minimal skills I've trained for infantry were to support my intended role as a tanker, so a full respec would still be more worthwhile so I can fix my character and PROPERLY build for the new intended role.

I take it you mean if a player paid SPs for LV 4 and 5 into Dropsuit command (for example) and fall into said black hole, CCP should refund the SPS solely for LV4 and 5 of that skill? To refund the sp back for the skill would create paradoxes since the skills i mentioned were entry level prereq skills :)

I guess that would define a sense of fairness. But, I feel the rest of my reasoning is just as valid toward being wholly fair.

CCP got to shuffle and change- thus creating a situation where they got to release partial content. There's no doubt this created confusion on top of the sweeping changes they made.

So I asuming from what you have said, in which if true, which I will assume, CCP is aware of this and plans on not fixing it?

So I asuming from what you have said, in which if true, which I will assume, CCP is aware of this and plans on not fixing it?

I never skilled into dropsuit command for the % benifit it claimed to give.....has it ever worked?

Considering what you just said, perhaps the question should be.... will a respec help at all? if there is so many broken components. I play on the free builds they give us and have a blast..... with 0 out of 11 million sp invested

I do know as I said about the proto investers out of the gate kicking themselves in the ass and are praying and helping promote a respec for that reason alone.... making a bad investment, and with that comes alot of excuses.... and that is just being blunt and truthful

Considering what you just said, perhaps the question should be.... will a respec help at all? if there is so many broken components. I play on the free builds they give us and have a blast..... with 0 out of 11 million sp invested

I do know as I said about the proto investers out of the gate kicking themselves in the ass and are praying and helping promote a respec for that reason alone.... making a bad investment, and with that comes alot of excuses.... and that is just being blunt and truthful

Ah man I'm running a minmatar proto light and having a blast. to each their own.

but that's not relevant here. The questions isn't whether a respec will help or not. The question is a respec fair given the particulars of the situation.

It is mean spirited, if anything, to tell a player to HTFU this is business as usual when it's a developer caused situation. Also, I don't believe it will give anyone an unfair advantage. They aren't going to make extra SPs off of it. So what if they change direction even. They are just better equipped to play the game on a level playing field as opposed to being stuck with something for god knows how long because it's fubar from go. It will have only been ten days without all the content of release since the respec. There is no advantage to be had in a way it negatively affects the game. maybe a small fraction of players will become tougher opponents because of it, but is that really the concern?

Considering what you just said, perhaps the question should be.... will a respec help at all? if there is so many broken components. I play on the free builds they give us and have a blast..... with 0 out of 11 million sp invested

I do know as I said about the proto investers out of the gate kicking themselves in the ass and are praying and helping promote a respec for that reason alone.... making a bad investment, and with that comes alot of excuses.... and that is just being blunt and truthful

Idc for a respec but I also wouldn't mind it being an option later on