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Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:28:00 -
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Now, I don't think the game is "dying" or any of that silly BS..
But I DO see a very plain disparity between classes now. If you went medium frames, you are most likely OK with the game (unless you were one of those AR snipers from last build) but if you are light or heavy frame, you hate this build. Well, honestly, even scouts aren't totally at a loss. it's mainly heavies. (and some vehicle guys still)
The HMG nerf was overkill IMO. I think ballistic rounds should have an inherent range bonus. Not crazy off the charts, but definitely if a blaster AR guy is hitting you, you should be able to hit him with ballistic rounds, but to varying degrees of sucess.
For instance, in DUST an HMG should be able to shoot up to say 50m or so, (Just an example, i'm horrible with distances) but at 50m, the rounds should be so dispersed and have lost so much momentum that very few would hit, and those that did hit should do very little damage. that said, at 40m, the dispersion wouldn't be as bad, and more would hit, and do more damage, etc.
The way it is now, at like 25 or 30 feet, the bullets just... magically disappear. I wasn't aware DUST involved magic. with Blaster rounds, I can understand how the plasma would eventually disappear into thin air, and not hit someone 60m from you. No weapon has that bad of dropoff IRL, and in this case, real physics should have some kind of play. I understand that bullet disappearance can be used to signify "dropoff", since at a certain range, the round wouldn't be in the air anymore. but most weapons nowadays can shoot for hundreds of meters before the bullet hits the ground.
At any rate, I just want to see more diversity on the battlefield. and this recent nerf to range has upset a lot of people (I personally like the change of pace, but thats just me apparently). It's alarming when even some of the more open-minded people you know stop playing because the class they chose is so ridiculously nerfed that it's just upsetting.
Put it this way, buff the HMG range to about what it was before Uprising, then wait to see how many people complain after that, and about what. I don't think damage is too much of a problem with the HMG, as I've seen boundless HMGs rip people apart within their range.
edit: also, people are apparently having issues with the controls and hit-detection. I'm not experiencing either, but whatever, I guess they are issues. |
OG- Kush
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:29:00 -
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yes you are wrong.. |
First Prophet
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
68
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:33:00 -
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i went light and I'm okay with it so far. Don't like the MD nerf and Nova knives still can't sprint charge. Still need more CPU and powergrid, and I'd kill for just one more low slot.
But it seems okay so far. Might just be because everyone's in militia suits right now. |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:34:00 -
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game is trash |
La Fortune
Terranauts
93
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:39:00 -
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You're definitely not the only one OP, but people who dislike something tend to shout about it more than people who are happy with the change. Personally, despite a few glitches here and there, I'm having a lot more fun with Uprising than previous builds.
A few tweaks are needed obviously but I don't think it's anywhere near as catastrophic as these forums would make you believe. |
Otoky
DIOS EX.
47
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:41:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:game is trash Bye.
Can I have your stuff? |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1456
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:46:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:game is trash You've been saying that for months, why are you still here. |
NOT slap26
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:46:00 -
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Who let Orin out of the cage????????? |
K-wall
WarRavens Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:49:00 -
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Uprising looks and plays great. Keep it comin ccp. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
536
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:50:00 -
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I like uprising too :(
I give it 7.5/10 |
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Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
849
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:50:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:game is trash
Protobear speaks the truth. I concur! |
Rossiya diya Trolley
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:50:00 -
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GO PLAY DayZ it puts this game to shame |
S0LlD SNAKE
PLAYSTATION4
6
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:52:00 -
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Adapt or Die |
Smoky The Bear
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
25
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:56:00 -
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S0LlD SNAKE wrote:Adapt or Die
Go back to your AR and leave the thinking to US.. |
Elrick Mercer
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
10
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:02:00 -
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LOL 50m is about 163 feet and that's only half a foot ball field. There are some modern archers who can reach that distance with a bow and arrow for effective killing range. Football players can run that distance in what 4 to 5 seconds? At this rate everyone would be better off using the SMG's because they work better within that range all weapons need there range pushed out.
We might as well have slingshots |
Otoky
DIOS EX.
49
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:10:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:S0LlD SNAKE wrote:Adapt or Die Go back to your AR and leave the thinking to US.. You mean the QQ? 95% of the threats is QQ, 5% is normal argument |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
293
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:13:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:Now, I don't think the game is "dying" or any of that silly BS..
But I DO see a very plain disparity between classes now. If you went medium frames, you are most likely OK with the game (unless you were one of those AR snipers from last build) but if you are light or heavy frame, you hate this build. Well, honestly, even scouts aren't totally at a loss. it's mainly heavies. (and some vehicle guys still)
The HMG nerf was overkill IMO. I think ballistic rounds should have an inherent range bonus. Not crazy off the charts, but definitely if a blaster AR guy is hitting you, you should be able to hit him with ballistic rounds, but to varying degrees of sucess.
For instance, in DUST an HMG should be able to shoot up to say 50m or so, (Just an example, i'm horrible with distances) but at 50m, the rounds should be so dispersed and have lost so much momentum that very few would hit, and those that did hit should do very little damage. that said, at 40m, the dispersion wouldn't be as bad, and more would hit, and do more damage, etc.
The way it is now, at like 25 or 30 feet, the bullets just... magically disappear. I wasn't aware DUST involved magic. with Blaster rounds, I can understand how the plasma would eventually disappear into thin air, and not hit someone 60m from you. No weapon has that bad of dropoff IRL, and in this case, real physics should have some kind of play. I understand that bullet disappearance can be used to signify "dropoff", since at a certain range, the round wouldn't be in the air anymore. but most weapons nowadays can shoot for hundreds of meters before the bullet hits the ground.
At any rate, I just want to see more diversity on the battlefield. and this recent nerf to range has upset a lot of people (I personally like the change of pace, but thats just me apparently). It's alarming when even some of the more open-minded people you know stop playing because the class they chose is so ridiculously nerfed that it's just upsetting.
Put it this way, buff the HMG range to about what it was before Uprising, then wait to see how many people complain after that, and about what. I don't think damage is too much of a problem with the HMG, as I've seen boundless HMGs rip people apart within their range.
edit: also, people are apparently having issues with the controls and hit-detection. I'm not experiencing either, but whatever, I guess they are issues.
I think you're starting to get it. Thanks for actually saying as much.
Most people won't. |
M3DIC 2U
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
57
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:16:00 -
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First Prophet wrote: Still need more CPU and powergrid,
skill higher in the item you use and efficiency improves so you don't need more CPU/PG. Instead of increasing max, you decrease the amount used by items to fit more.
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Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
533
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:36:00 -
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I just want people to play the game. I am seeing too many good people walk away, friends, enemies, everyone counts. The numbers speak for themselves. when you are sitting at 4k online at peak hours, surely some flags should pop up? I am trying not to sound like i'm QQing, because i think this is a PERFECT build to build off from. I think the new skill pacing is fine (with a few issues of some previously 1x skills becoming 5x skills...)
and I love the new dropsuits. I just wish heavies, which have always been such a controversial lynch-pin of this game, didn't get the short end of the stick. Not only did they get their primary anti-infantry weapon nerfed, but they also didn't get any pretty new dropsuits, so really, where is the heavy love? I know this game isn't over, and I'm positive a time will come (soon, even?) where heavie's glory is restored, the aim mechanics are fleshed out.
But I am a firm believer that "Back" is never the right direction to go. Keep moving forward CCP. Forward, and upwards. Uprising is a great starting point. Everything got nerfed. Now do SMALL TWEAKS from here on out. Buff ONE GUN a LITTLE BIT, see what it changes.
and NO MORE NINJA BUFFS/NERFS!!! If you tweak/change something, LET US KNOW! |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
273
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:39:00 -
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game is complete trash now. Worst build overall by far. Only positives are no more UVT, 6 man squad, and game looks nicer. Otherwise everything else is horrible |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2748
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:40:00 -
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There are some really good things happening in Uprising.
Unfortunately, they're outweighed by the negatives.
I run Scout and Assault in the current build, and I'm happy with the state of my fittings, my skill allocations, and my characters' stats in general. Except my vehicle alt who has been screwed over completely. I'm NOT happy with the fact that my characters feel OP against vehicles and Heavies now, and the fact that the new build has balance issues so glaringly obvious they make Chromosome look good.
Vehicles are dead until we get some fixes to the hard over-nerfs. Heavies are dead except as anti-vehicle, which is a practically obsolete role because vehicles are dead and a Swarm Launcher is more than sufficient to take down a Gunnlogi.
Controls have been destroyed as well, and we need the option to reverse some of the less helpful changes, and a system where Aim Assist off means that there's NOTHING adjusting how your aim works, instead of having an anti-aim function when there's an enemy within 5m of you. |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
216
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:41:00 -
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+1 Orin, you just said what I've been thinking but was too lazy to type all the way out. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
535
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:43:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:game is complete trash now. Worst build overall by far. Only positives are no more UVT, 6 man squad, and game looks nicer. Otherwise everything else is horrible
yeah, this build is way worse than the one where the game hard-froze your PS3 after every 2 games, or the one where everyone had free militia tanks and dropships, or the one where the creo dron breach AR was the most powerful gun in the game, or the one where everyone had proto everything in a week, and whenever you called in a tank, there was a high possibility the game would keep spawning in infinite amounts of them, to where you had everyone on your team in a tank.
no, I agree, this is waaaaaaaaay worse than all that. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
159
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:44:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:i went light and I'm okay with it so far. Don't like the MD nerf and Nova knives still can't sprint charge. Still need more CPU and powergrid, and I'd kill for just one more low slot.
But it seems okay so far. Might just be because everyone's in militia suits right now.
Except for the people I've seen running Proto already, probably at the expense of all/most of their core skills. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
535
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:55:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:First Prophet wrote:i went light and I'm okay with it so far. Don't like the MD nerf and Nova knives still can't sprint charge. Still need more CPU and powergrid, and I'd kill for just one more low slot.
But it seems okay so far. Might just be because everyone's in militia suits right now. Except for the people I've seen running Proto already, probably at the expense of all/most of their core skills.
yeah, I run proto, and have core skills. just.. I don't have a gun :P |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
203
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:56:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:I just want people to play the game. I am seeing too many good people walk away, friends, enemies, everyone counts. The numbers speak for themselves. when you are sitting at 4k online at peak hours, surely some flags should pop up? I am trying not to sound like i'm QQing, because i think this is a PERFECT build to build off from. I think the new skill pacing is fine (with a few issues of some previously 1x skills becoming 5x skills...)
and I love the new dropsuits. I just wish heavies, which have always been such a controversial lynch-pin of this game, didn't get the short end of the stick. Not only did they get their primary anti-infantry weapon nerfed, but they also didn't get any pretty new dropsuits, so really, where is the heavy love? I know this game isn't over, and I'm positive a time will come (soon, even?) where heavie's glory is restored, the aim mechanics are fleshed out.
But I am a firm believer that "Back" is never the right direction to go. Keep moving forward CCP. Forward, and upwards. Uprising is a great starting point. Everything got nerfed. Now do SMALL TWEAKS from here on out. Buff ONE GUN a LITTLE BIT, see what it changes.
and NO MORE NINJA BUFFS/NERFS!!! If you tweak/change something, LET US KNOW!
someone else who understands it...
highly anticipated, brand new build! new weapons coming! new maps! planetary conquest! yadda yadda
4000 players online at peak hours the day it is released...
then out of the 4k, a good 30% have SERIOUS issues with the game, some of which Im sure arent giving the game another chance, others (like myself) have SOME patience... but not much after falling for the' flaming bag of poo on the front porch'
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
159
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:57:00 -
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I thought CCP jacked up the skill point costs to prevent people from running Proto this early?
I guess it worked. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2276
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:58:00 -
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I'm not giving up on Dust - but neither am I going to stop my forum rage.
It's about time someone slapped CCP hard enough to see straight. Maybe they can look us in the eye when they make false promises for once. |
Thorin Odynson
Liandri Hel-Jumpers Liandri Covenant
0
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:01:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:I thought CCP jacked up the skill point costs to prevent people from running Proto this early?
I guess it worked.
Maybe proto racial suits but proto frames don't cost much to skill into. 1.2 mil give or take for a (insert race) Medium Frame. My main has Proto Heavy with 3 in core skills and level 1 weapons because to me, I'd rather have a stronger dropsuit and need to work on weapons than have an awesome weapon and die because the wind blew on me. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
536
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:22:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:I thought CCP jacked up the skill point costs to prevent people from running Proto this early?
I guess it worked.
/sarcasm
I think it was more to increase longevity, and slow down the progression a bit to allow for more specialized roles.
The most powerful people in the first year will be those who can switch at will between roles, and be proficient in each role.
In two years, it will be people who can switch between each race, and roll, with a plethora of weapons at their disposal.
This should be a game of years, not weeks, or months. that is why I have patience with CCP. I also have a good bit of hope that eventually, they will get the balancing right (only to then break it again because a bunch of noobs complain about "x is OP!" |
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
159
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:33:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:I thought CCP jacked up the skill point costs to prevent people from running Proto this early?
I guess it worked.
/sarcasm I think it was more to increase longevity, and slow down the progression a bit to allow for more specialized roles. The most powerful people in the first year will be those who can switch at will between roles, and be proficient in each role. In two years, it will be people who can switch between each race, and roll, with a plethora of weapons at their disposal. This should be a game of years, not weeks, or months. that is why I have patience with CCP. I also have a good bit of hope that eventually, they will get the balancing right (only to then break it again because a bunch of noobs complain about "x is OP!"
I have patience with them too, I just find it troubling that we already have people running around in full proto fits. It is kinda ridiculous when there are entire squads running full proto suit/weapon and they just run around in a circle from letter to letter like this was "FPS Monkey Annual Run & Gun Object 4: SciFi Ops".
I see some things I really like and I see some things that tell me CCP only want money from the derps that will leave once the next Annual Object from Activision comes out. Long term revenue will increase if you pay attention to loyal customers, not if you try to steal a piece of Activisions pie. |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
276
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:36:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:Berserker007 wrote:game is complete trash now. Worst build overall by far. Only positives are no more UVT, 6 man squad, and game looks nicer. Otherwise everything else is horrible yeah, this build is way worse than the one where the game hard-froze your PS3 after every 2 games, or the one where everyone had free militia tanks and dropships, or the one where the creo dron breach AR was the most powerful gun in the game, or the one where everyone had proto everything in a week, and whenever you called in a tank, there was a high possibility the game would keep spawning in infinite amounts of them, to where you had everyone on your team in a tank. no, I agree, this is waaaaaaaaay worse than all that.
i'd actually take those older build; as yes thad quite a lot of problems; but they were more fun then this trash we have now |
Aldaran Vdrok
Gorewreckers
3
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:43:00 -
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The few Proto-Suits I ran into last night died rather quickly. I believe a lot of people probably wasted their SP on getting the suit which didn't leave them a whole lot left over to upgrade anything else. One guy in Proto was just running around with a knife and grenades. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
211
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:45:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I'm not giving up on Dust - but neither am I going to stop my forum rage.
It's about time someone slapped CCP hard enough to see straight. Maybe they can look us in the eye when they make false promises for once.
"Take a rage dump man" Hermes Conrad
It's fun to read your posts. |
WhataguyTTU
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
0
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:03:00 -
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OK, Heavies are fine to the average VET I have not had too much additional troubles pwn'in faces as before uprising. EXCEPT the stupid slow turning speed. Now when scouts get in my face I **** my pants as I try to keep up with them (maxed sensitivty). This was originally boner city as ne one within 10meters would die in less then 2 seconds. Heavies can no longer show off their dancing skills with strafing, BOOO! Aside from that, heavies are still quite formidable. Ya we got a nerf but so did everything else practically.
I will say that forges guns are coming out more often than they used to. 75% of the time I would rock HMG and melt faces, now role has almost switched with the forge gun. HMG can still poop in peoples mouths (within its new range) you just need to be more accurate. See what happens when you hit someone on the dot of your reticle with a Burst machine gun (I was getting 1 shot burst last night, on ADV suits!). HMG can no longer be utilized as spray and pray, the DMG just isn't there.
NOW for newberts starting out in the game, they will ultimately get pwnd. Its almost not worth speccing heavy unless you have good amount of SP already. (~6mil sp). As a 1012eHP PROTObear, I am already having some trouble keeping up with top end assualt/logi players in advanced suits. There is no incentive for newbies to play heavy currently, without a CCP hotfix that will never come, the heavy population will plummet.
This game is a hard game to commit to with all its current trouble and bugs, but ultimately needs a bigger player base so that CCP wont be so desperate to empty our wallets and might be able to budget a bigger/better team for development. NOOBS are super frustrating, but are necessary for our beloved game to thrive.
Nonetheless we are ultimately gambling that this game with be amazing 6months-1yr down the road. So really, ENOUGH QQ MORE PEW PEW. If you can no longer stand this game after a couple weeks into this Uprising build then find another game, the constant bitching and whining does not make our game better.
SIDENOTE: Ever since Uprising came out, my PS3 no longer suffer constant hard freezes (w/ PS3s IP set in DMZ in router). I used to freezing everything ******* game and hadn't hit cap in the past two weeks. Lots of homos like me have this trouble stil, try this DMZ option if you have done the PS3's restore database and file system, unistall/restal dust clientl, game data deletion.....etc.
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GM Hercules
Game Masters C C P Alliance
440
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:17:00 -
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Moved from general discussion. |
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First Prophet
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
69
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:54:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:First Prophet wrote:i went light and I'm okay with it so far. Don't like the MD nerf and Nova knives still can't sprint charge. Still need more CPU and powergrid, and I'd kill for just one more low slot.
But it seems okay so far. Might just be because everyone's in militia suits right now. Except for the people I've seen running Proto already, probably at the expense of all/most of their core skills. Yeah, they took some hit to either their core or their weapon skills, but it shouldn't have been too bad. I have a proto light frame and a most of my core skill. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
26
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:56:00 -
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And we have another advocate for sword fights with guns.
Go download chivalry from steam already. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy
363
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:12:00 -
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+1 Orin and CHICAGO
The one thing I wish CCP could fix (apart from the HMGs <3) is the endless amounts of idiots posting doom and gloom threads/comments. |
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