DUST Search - This game is going to die soon...

Sentient Archon wrote:

4 alphabets;- PC FW!

Take a chill pill. Go smoke some weed. Get laid. Get drunk. Do it in any order. You will be fine! Lol

Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:

A game this complicated and in-depth was never meant to be for a console... If PC players had access then it might be acceptable...

But the following factors will lead this game to its inevitable doom:

PS3 only - minimised target audience, and supports casual gamers over people who will take it seriously like on EVE.

Overcomplexity - a game this complicated should never have been designed for a console, people just won't spend months and months training just to up their game by a fraction. This would be the case in EVE since it is PC and people are more dedicated, but on PS3 people just won't keep up to it... This game would have been better as an RTS, Civilization V / Starcraft II real time strategy game for the PC and PS3 where you trade militants and deploy them with assets... There simply aren't enough dedicated PS3 players who will abide within this rabbit hole... I am having to defend Dust 514 to my friends because they hate it.

Controls and Graphics - if these graphics stay after the release, things won't go well, the screen is laggy and the textures are minimal. The controls are clunky and it is seriously hard for a new beginner to stay interested or get good at a game like this.

Hardcores - new players who join are going to be absolutely devastated by the players with 15 million times their SP and money, and 10 times their experience on such a complex shooter. If I were to join right now with no EVE / Dust experience, I would turn back right away... I would get owned by people so badly that I would just pull the plug out.

The fact that it is free - when you buy a game, you feel obliged to play it after buying it, you feel as if you spent your money on it. Making it free gives you a reason just to put it down without consolidating it in the future.

Sorry CCP, but I can't picture Dust 514 competing or succeeding well in 3 years time...

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Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:49:00 - [1] - Quote A game this complicated and in-depth was never meant to be for a console... If PC players had access then it might be acceptable... But the following factors will lead this game to its inevitable doom: PS3 only - minimised target audience, and supports casual gamers over people who will take it seriously like on EVE. Overcomplexity - a game this complicated should never have been designed for a console, people just won't spend months and months training just to up their game by a fraction. This would be the case in EVE since it is PC and people are more dedicated, but on PS3 people just won't keep up to it... This game would have been better as an RTS, Civilization V / Starcraft II real time strategy game for the PC and PS3 where you trade militants and deploy them with assets... There simply aren't enough dedicated PS3 players who will abide within this rabbit hole... I am having to defend Dust 514 to my friends because they hate it. Controls and Graphics - if these graphics stay after the release, things won't go well, the screen is laggy and the textures are minimal. The controls are clunky and it is seriously hard for a new beginner to stay interested or get good at a game like this. Hardcores - new players who join are going to be absolutely devastated by the players with 15 million times their SP and money, and 10 times their experience on such a complex shooter. If I were to join right now with no EVE / Dust experience, I would turn back right away... I would get owned by people so badly that I would just pull the plug out. The fact that it is free - when you buy a game, you feel obliged to play it after buying it, you feel as if you spent your money on it. Making it free gives you a reason just to put it down without consolidating it in the future. Sorry CCP, but I can't picture Dust 514 competing or succeeding well in 3 years time...
Rossiya diya Trolley Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:51:00 - [2] - Quote Completely and fuckin utterly agree.
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 3	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:51:00 - [3] - Quote Adapt or Die
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1198	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:52:00 - [4] - Quote 4 alphabets;- PC FW! Take a chill pill. Go smoke some weed. Get laid. Get drunk. Do it in any order. You will be fine! Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: A game this complicated and in-depth was never meant to be for a console... If PC players had access then it might be acceptable... But the following factors will lead this game to its inevitable doom: PS3 only - minimised target audience, and supports casual gamers over people who will take it seriously like on EVE. Overcomplexity - a game this complicated should never have been designed for a console, people just won't spend months and months training just to up their game by a fraction. This would be the case in EVE since it is PC and people are more dedicated, but on PS3 people just won't keep up to it... This game would have been better as an RTS, Civilization V / Starcraft II real time strategy game for the PC and PS3 where you trade militants and deploy them with assets... There simply aren't enough dedicated PS3 players who will abide within this rabbit hole... I am having to defend Dust 514 to my friends because they hate it. Controls and Graphics - if these graphics stay after the release, things won't go well, the screen is laggy and the textures are minimal. The controls are clunky and it is seriously hard for a new beginner to stay interested or get good at a game like this. Hardcores - new players who join are going to be absolutely devastated by the players with 15 million times their SP and money, and 10 times their experience on such a complex shooter. If I were to join right now with no EVE / Dust experience, I would turn back right away... I would get owned by people so badly that I would just pull the plug out. The fact that it is free - when you buy a game, you feel obliged to play it after buying it, you feel as if you spent your money on it. Making it free gives you a reason just to put it down without consolidating it in the future. Sorry CCP, but I can't picture Dust 514 competing or succeeding well in 3 years time...
mongahu Bragian Order Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:53:00 - [5] - Quote Hehe I've been reading this same "game is dead thread for a year now. U people clearly don't understand the type of game developer ccp is. They don't do block buster one release wonders. They make stuff that lasts. Look at eve people every day say how its dieing except that other than a few **** releases bas been growing.g for 10 years. So ya dust might not break any numbers records at release but I would put my money on it being live and thriving for a long time to come
Rossiya diya Trolley Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:53:00 - [6] - Quote Again, computer based skill system determines damage output, movement speed, and health, you cannot "adapt"
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:55:00 - [7] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: 4 alphabets;- PC FW! Take a chill pill. Go smoke some weed. Get laid. Get drunk. Do it in any order. You will be fine! Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: A game this complicated and in-depth was never meant to be for a console... If PC players had access then it might be acceptable... But the following factors will lead this game to its inevitable doom: PS3 only - minimised target audience, and supports casual gamers over people who will take it seriously like on EVE. Overcomplexity - a game this complicated should never have been designed for a console, people just won't spend months and months training just to up their game by a fraction. This would be the case in EVE since it is PC and people are more dedicated, but on PS3 people just won't keep up to it... This game would have been better as an RTS, Civilization V / Starcraft II real time strategy game for the PC and PS3 where you trade militants and deploy them with assets... There simply aren't enough dedicated PS3 players who will abide within this rabbit hole... I am having to defend Dust 514 to my friends because they hate it. Controls and Graphics - if these graphics stay after the release, things won't go well, the screen is laggy and the textures are minimal. The controls are clunky and it is seriously hard for a new beginner to stay interested or get good at a game like this. Hardcores - new players who join are going to be absolutely devastated by the players with 15 million times their SP and money, and 10 times their experience on such a complex shooter. If I were to join right now with no EVE / Dust experience, I would turn back right away... I would get owned by people so badly that I would just pull the plug out. The fact that it is free - when you buy a game, you feel obliged to play it after buying it, you feel as if you spent your money on it. Making it free gives you a reason just to put it down without consolidating it in the future. Sorry CCP, but I can't picture Dust 514 competing or succeeding well in 3 years time... I quite frankly don't think that you understand who you are typing to. I am laughing at the idea of me smoking weed and getting drunk, that is one of those impossible things in this strange universe.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 162	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:55:00 - [8] - Quote I don't think people are too stupid for a complex FPS. It's the reason I play Dust. Any game I've ever enjoyed allowed you to spend a good deal of time customizing and building your character/car/team/etc. It's the implementation of this game that is off.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 911	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:55:00 - [9] - Quote k
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1198	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:55:00 - [10] - Quote Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: Again, computer based skill system determines damage output, movement speed, and health, you cannot "adapt" Then you die

DTOracle Universal Allies Inc. 108	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:57:00 - [11] - Quote & what makes you think there isn't a hardcore audience on the PS3? Besides, CCP wanted to make Eve for consoles, & that's exactly what they did. & you'll eventually get Dust on PC, just don't hold your breath.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:57:00 - [12] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: 4 alphabets;- PC FW! Take a chill pill. Go smoke some weed. Get laid. Get drunk. Do it in any order. You will be fine! Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: A game this complicated and in-depth was never meant to be for a console... If PC players had access then it might be acceptable... But the following factors will lead this game to its inevitable doom: PS3 only - minimised target audience, and supports casual gamers over people who will take it seriously like on EVE. Overcomplexity - a game this complicated should never have been designed for a console, people just won't spend months and months training just to up their game by a fraction. This would be the case in EVE since it is PC and people are more dedicated, but on PS3 people just won't keep up to it... This game would have been better as an RTS, Civilization V / Starcraft II real time strategy game for the PC and PS3 where you trade militants and deploy them with assets... There simply aren't enough dedicated PS3 players who will abide within this rabbit hole... I am having to defend Dust 514 to my friends because they hate it. Controls and Graphics - if these graphics stay after the release, things won't go well, the screen is laggy and the textures are minimal. The controls are clunky and it is seriously hard for a new beginner to stay interested or get good at a game like this. Hardcores - new players who join are going to be absolutely devastated by the players with 15 million times their SP and money, and 10 times their experience on such a complex shooter. If I were to join right now with no EVE / Dust experience, I would turn back right away... I would get owned by people so badly that I would just pull the plug out. The fact that it is free - when you buy a game, you feel obliged to play it after buying it, you feel as if you spent your money on it. Making it free gives you a reason just to put it down without consolidating it in the future. Sorry CCP, but I can't picture Dust 514 competing or succeeding well in 3 years time... Yeah you are right about EVE being long lasting, and that was very successful of them. But the transition of this 'survivability' isn't going to last on consoles... It just won't. 'Everyone' has a PC, 'everyone' doesn't have a PS3 and those who do will not always want to spend months training for a free game. It feels unfulfilled / improper.
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1198	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:58:00 - [13] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: I quite frankly don't think that you understand who you are typing to. I am laughing at the idea of me smoking weed and getting drunk, that is one of those impossible things in this strange universe. Impossible is just a frame of mind. Long time ago people said it was impossible to fly. They were wrong weren't they? Similarly smoking a joint and getting drunk at the same time is very possible. Now you would be a hero if you could smoke a joint, get drunk and get laid at the same time. Either way too much QQ on your part doesn't mean the game sucks, it just means it aint for you. If it aint for you GTFO and stop hogging forum space
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 277	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:59:00 - [14] - Quote Somebody's just upset that they can't play on PC.
Aisha Ctarl The Vanguardians Orion Empire 23	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:59:00 - [15] - Quote You're points are quite valid. I've showed DUST to a couple of friends and the immediate response from them is "it looks stupid," only one of them actually tried it out. Unless you come from EVE or even know of EVE, DUST just isn't going to be for you unfortunately - it is just far too complex. Your average Crysis, BF3, COD, etc player isn't going to take the time to sit down and map out their SP so they can have a valid build days, weeks, or even months into the future. For the one friend I did get to give DUST a chance one of the first things he said when we hopped into a battle was the fact that I "looked cooler and had better stuff." I tried to tell him that with time you earn SP and then you spend those SP on skills to advance your character and that DUST is kind of an MMOFPSRPG which he promptly then deleted DUST from his PS3. As the OP said a game with a vertical learning curve is fine for PC, but console players just don't have the patience for a learning cliff of a game.
Abu Stij Goonfeet 5	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:00:00 - [16] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: Adapt or Die But that means they have to learn something, and we all know they can't be bothered to do that.
Rossiya diya Trolley Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:00:00 - [17] - Quote Red star sucks.
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:01:00 - [18] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Somebody's just upset that they can't play on PC. Not at all, I just think that for a company's sake, the restrictions are making the assumption that this will not need a large audience. I would personally rather play on PS3..
Scramble Scrub Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 148	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:01:00 - [19] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: Adapt or Die This game needs to adapt, or it'll die.
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1198	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:02:00 - [20] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: Yeah you are right about EVE being long lasting, and that was very successful of them. But the transition of this 'survivability' isn't going to last on consoles... It just won't. 'Everyone' has a PC, 'everyone' doesn't have a PS3 and those who do will not always want to spend months training for a free game. It feels unfulfilled / improper. I am still the worst critic CCP has. However there is one way of being absolutely destructive and say **** without recommending feedback and the other is by providing constructive feedback. You say that there are so many hiccups but yet don't post how best it could be fixed in your opinion. I however don't blame the mindset of the gamer. When they see 30 negative things, it is hard to see the other 60 good things.

Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1198	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:04:00 - [21] - Quote Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: Red star chicks suck Red star men lick. Fixed for you!
Aesiron Kor-Azor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:05:00 - [22] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: Yeah you are right about EVE being long lasting, and that was very successful of them. But the transition of this 'survivability' isn't going to last on consoles... It just won't. 'Everyone' has a PC, 'everyone' doesn't have a PS3 and those who do will not always want to spend months training for a free game. It feels unfulfilled / improper. I am still the worst critic CCP has. However there is one way of being absolutely destructive and say **** without recommending feedback and the other is by providing constructive feedback. You say that there are so many hiccups but yet don't post how best it could be fixed in your opinion. I however don't blame the mindset of the gamer. When they see 30 negative things, it is hard to see the other 60 good things. No one listens to anyone's boring suggestions, they just like to see the complaints. But the good things in this game have basically been eliminated through the bad things which have arisen.
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1198	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:07:00 - [23] - Quote Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote: No one listens to anyone's boring suggestions, they just like to see the complaints. But the good things in this game have basically been eliminated through the bad things which have arisen. That's where the CSM comes in. Send your grievances to them and let them consolidate and send it to CCP. Simple enough! I know Kain, IWS and Jenza do send feedback to CCP.
Summer-Wolf Planetary Response Organisation 16	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:08:00 - [24] - Quote It will have a cult following. But 4000 players spread out across the globe isnt enough to really do factional warfare effectively. The PS4 is one its way in, we have a broken update and a very angry player base (with many making mistakes in re-spec-ing). They changed the wording of their packs and are simply doing a "refund all - lose all" option. I simply dont know anymore.
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1199	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:12:00 - [25] - Quote Summer-Wolf wrote: But 4000 players spread out across the globe isnt enough to really do factional warfare effectively. 4000 players playing 4-6 hours a day. Every match is 30 minutes. You can do a lot in a day with 25% of those numbers.
OG- Kush Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:15:00 - [26] - Quote The game is already dead.. You just wont notice for a month..
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 25	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:15:00 - [27] - Quote stick a fork in it..
Rossiya diya Trolley Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:16:00 - [28] - Quote I seriously hope anonymous hacks the servers and destroys this game.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 369	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:29:00 - [29] - Quote Do I understand this properly? OP is mad at depth and complexity? Did you even think about the consequence of what you're writing? The only reason anyone is still here is because of the promise of depth, complexity and tactics. You think anyone is going to stay if CCP removes the only thing that's ever held anyone's interest in Dust 514? The majority of problems are coming out of this game being dumbed down and flattened. You want to exaggerate this further by making it even more like some CoD clone? A few bugs and borked features aside, the #1 complaint about Uprising is that instead of rock paper scissors its a bunch of tards clubbing each other with rocks. Good idea OP moar rocks!
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1456	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:29:00 - [30] - Quote For gods sake, there are more than 4000 people playing this game, that show many people were online when you logged in, in your time zone, not the entire global player base.



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