DUST Search - Mass Driver area denial..NOT

Jack McReady wrote:

MD damage was not nerfed. splash range was (if I am not mistaken)

everyone just has more hp than before (atleast my current suit has more hp than before) and EVERYONE is doing less damage because weapony damage bonus is missing thus it might look that some weapons are heavily nerfed (which is not the case).

Thog A Kuma wrote:

was that because we dominated the kill boards? Did you hate watching that round flying flying flying.

you dominated? good joke. your current post indicate the opposite. oh and I was using the MD myself.

Flyingconejo wrote:

I've just seen the new MD stats.

115 hp of splash damage? A damage that is reduced against shields, in a build where finding suits with 500+ shields is going to be common?

What area denial? They are not going to even feel it. You may get kills against standard and militia suits, but forget about anything else.

115 is the same as before. if you have problems with shields then use flux grenades or learn to score direct hits.

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Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:00:00 - [31] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Drivers Just posting this so people can see just how big MD users were nerfed. Freedom and Boundless are pretty much Standard Mass Driver and Assault without operation boosts from the last build as far as Splash and Splash damage goes. how many threads will do you plan to infestate with your l2p issues? How many of these threads will you be a fanboy? I've only posted this in 2 threads regarding the MD. Go **** somewhere else.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 143	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:02:00 - [32] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Drivers Just posting this so people can see just how big MD users were nerfed. Freedom and Boundless are pretty much Standard Mass Driver and Assault without operation boosts from the last build as far as Splash and Splash damage goes. how many threads will do you plan to infestate with your l2p issues? How many of these threads will you be a fanboy? I've only posted this in 2 threads regarding the MD. Go **** somewhere else. 2 threads is already enough. I was just asking in advance, so I can plan accordingly and extract your tears
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 221	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:03:00 - [33] - Quote fred orpaul wrote: they did a splash and damage nerf to the MD as well?? well it scared and angered AR assaults, never mind that it was one of the easiest guns to take down, so it had to be nerfed. God ccp needs to stop getting its numbers from pub matches, ***** didn't matter how viable a gun was against any smart player , BB would ***** do the exact wrong thing, they would practically stick the barrel up their buthole for you causeing your K/D to go thru the roof on a weapon that would net you a negative KD in corp matches. ^This As a proto logi MD i can tell you i was a gawd in pubs but a maggot in CBs.(except in enclosed spaces). Also freaking FF is enabled in PC keep the MDs exactly as it was and lol at all the ones who spam it without even trying to aim +1 on the sight tho.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 78	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:03:00 - [34] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: If you think it might get usable at higher levels.. think again.. Im lvl 5 in operation and Proficiency with Complex DMG mods.. and I can tell you I wasted 6mill SP's because this is no longer a viable build.. PERIOD This is what I was afraid of I started out in last build pure MD and after seeing the nerfs this build and realizing we had to specialize I figured it wasn't going to be to viable.. Hopefully CCP fixes this ( and a lot of **** in Uprising) part of me misses the MD
Kyrie Bishop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:08:00 - [35] - Quote I adapted..... Did the calculations looked at my desired MD - will put no SP into that weapon.
Son Down SamsClub 8	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:22:00 - [36] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX8Qqu_WBIc
Ren Ayashi Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:46:00 - [37] - Quote I noticed it the moment I got into match with my EXO. Shots I knew I should "hit" on not connecting. When I did connect, I barely dinged them. Also, I feel kind of screwed that they didn't mention the nerf in the patch notes. They mentioned the HMG, but not us. Our faults for not looking, definitely, but we trusted them to give us that information (since they'd already done it once) and they let us down. CCP Dev, please? This is almost unusable. And I'll millionth? the calls for a respec. (Though, at this point, everyone will just agree to go Caldari AR, and they'll be [barring certain builds] right.)
Takron Nistrom eHarmony Inc. Phobia. 86	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:55:00 - [38] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: I've just seen the new MD stats. 115 hp of splash damage? A damage that is reduced against shields, in a build where finding suits with 500+ shields is going to be common? What area denial? They are not going to even feel it. You may get kills against standard and militia suits, but forget about anything else. I got plenty of kills combining it with the Flux grenade. I would throw a flux grenade into the group and then fire the MD, it has a bonus to armor so it was usually a 1, 2 punch. I haven't tried it with the current build but the damage nerf itsn't that high. I still feel it would be effective when used with flux grenades as i did last build.
Thog A Kuma Planetary Response Organisation 70	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:11:00 - [39] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: I've just seen the new MD stats. 115 hp of splash damage? A damage that is reduced against shields, in a build where finding suits with 500+ shields is going to be common? What area denial? They are not going to even feel it. You may get kills against standard and militia suits, but forget about anything else. I got plenty of kills combining it with the Flux grenade. I would throw a flux grenade into the group and then fire the MD, it has a bonus to armor so it was usually a 1, 2 punch. I haven't tried it with the current build but the damage nerf itsn't that high. I still feel it would be effective when used with flux grenades as i did last build. So MD mandatory: Flux Nanohive Just to use one weapon? doesn't seem like a really good design. you have to be within throwing range to use a grenade launcher? Some people will die of old age before i go through throwing the grenade, it pops, i fire 2-3 times...thats a long time man.
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 158	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:23:00 - [40] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Snaps Tremor wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: If you think it might get usable at higher levels.. think again.. Im lvl 5 in operation and Proficiency with Complex DMG mods.. and I can tell you I wasted 6mill SP's because this is no longer a viable build.. PERIOD Call me pedantic, but there is no period in Dust. With no 'final' build the wasted SP could convert to very much unwasted SP at any moment, and at a point where people have chosen paths, blown all their SP, and can't just spec overnight into the skills you've invested in. Chill out, do your best, wait for the comeback tour. Ur Pedantic.. whatever that means.. you pulled that off your word of the day calendar? If you dont rock a MD .. GTFO.. nobody cares what you think.. I totally did rock a MD, but then I found out they weren't very good this build. I did this by waiting for people like you to jump the gun and start crying about it, so thanks for the help. Oh, and if you're going to call people on being wordy, at least choose a word that's not used in everyday speech or you just end up looking like you skipped school. All of school.

Mark0h SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 17	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:31:00 - [41] - Quote Lol at the ass who said to get more direct hits. Eat ****. If it were that easily to directly hit moving players with a arcing delayed round , people would actually use the breach version. News flash, no one does!!!! Know why? Take a goddamn guess lol. Radius nerf is bs. Don't know the reason why they did it
IR Scifi Silver Talon Corporation 25	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:53:00 - [42] - Quote I'll take another whack at it today but so far I'm pretty disappointed in my MD. Which is a shame because it was just about where it needed to be last patch. Enough of a punch to make someone pause and wait for backup but not so much you'd be a one man kill-squad.
KA24DERT Not Guilty EoN. 25	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:06:00 - [43] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: MD damage was not nerfed. splash range was (if I am not mistaken) everyone just has more hp than before (atleast my current suit has more hp than before) and EVERYONE is doing less damage because weapony damage bonus is missing thus it might look that some weapons are heavily nerfed (which is not the case). Thog A Kuma wrote: was that because we dominated the kill boards? Did you hate watching that round flying flying flying. you dominated? good joke. your current post indicate the opposite. oh and I was using the MD myself. Flyingconejo wrote: I've just seen the new MD stats. 115 hp of splash damage? A damage that is reduced against shields, in a build where finding suits with 500+ shields is going to be common? What area denial? They are not going to even feel it. You may get kills against standard and militia suits, but forget about anything else. 115 is the same as before. if you have problems with shields then use flux grenades or learn to score direct hits. Flux grenades are not something you can pull out during a direct confrontation. And the damage is not the same as the previous build. Have you even read the links people have shown you? The more I read your posts, the more I realize that you are probably just trolling. I consider myself a pretty decent Mass Driver user, and I have trouble scoring direct hits. This is because hitting a moving target directly with a projectile that has travel time is hard. But you keep saying that we all need to aim better and stop whining. So crap, maybe you are some kind of MD GOD, and I just need to HTFU. Or maybe I just looked up your KD, and realized that you are a mediocre player that just enjoys trash talking on forums. Now, I'm no KD chaser, my background is in games like Team Fortress where actually winning defeats all other stats. I lose dropsuits like water in this game. My corpies can attest to my tendency to run face first into bullets in order to break up a group of enemies. But if I can grab a 2.5 KD with suicidal tendencies, what is my MD Zen Master doing with a 1.59? Is it because you sit on rock all day in Dust, meditating, and only take a shot when the moons align and you can land an honorable shot, one that only does the purest damage, the only damage: Direct Damage. Do your vows forbid you from inflicting the unclean Splash Damage on someone? Hey, If that's the case I respect your religion. But I really doubt it, and you're probably just a crap player crapping in threads without a leg to stand on. The MD has been nerfed hard. Splash Radius Nerf, Damage Nerf, Distance Nerf, and the Nanohive Nerf is especially tough on MD users. It's hard to argue that this combination of nerfs has resulted in a balanced weapon. Unless you are a Master MD user like Jack over here.


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